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Linux Has Better Windows Compatibility Than Vista 347

Several readers have written to tell us about one users rant in which he tells the story of being so frustrated with gaming on Windows Vista that he tried comparing gaming on Vista to that on Linux using Wine, with surprising results. "This post is clearly a bit biased. What shocked me though was how easy it was to find games that didn't run under Vista but did in Linux by using Wine or DOSBox. I'm not a huge gamer, so I don't have a huge collection of games to try out, but even still with just a few hours of frustrating work, I have been able to show that not only is Linux a reasonable alternative to Vista for gaming (XP is still king though), but also that Linux handles application failures more gracefully than Vista. Every game but Blackthorne crashed my Vista box, this didn't happen a single time under Linux."
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Linux Has Better Windows Compatibility Than Vista

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  • by Smordnys s'regrepsA ( 1160895 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @05:41AM (#22271532) Journal
    -just to head this off-

    I'm Hearing Year of the Linux Machine around here a lot again (again, or continuously... you decide).

    Strangely, I've yet to hear a kind word from the normals in the real world.

    Maybe this Linux thing isn't catching on quite as much as you think it is.

    (not trying to troll, just an observation)
  • WoW (Score:2, Interesting)

    by imasu ( 1008081 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @05:43AM (#22271542)
    Years ago, just after WoW's beta, I used to run it using cedega. There were still crashing bugs that would hose my friends machines and require rebooting back then; I would just restart cedega when one happened to me. In fact, I don't remember if I *ever* played WoW using a real Windows install. I quit fairly soon after beta though, less than a year.
  • by Daniel Phillips ( 238627 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @06:01AM (#22271590)

    I'm Hearing Year of the Linux Machine around here a lot again (again, or continuously... you decide).
    It has been year of the Linux desktop for 10 years now over here. Yes, it is true, I have never booted Windows box in that period and do not miss a thing except the annoyance. Registration key? Feh.

    At the moment I am running on one of these [fit-pc.com], Ubuntu, everything just worked when I turned it on including sound, Youtube, several different browsers including firefox 3. Runs KDE like a champ, very smooth. While I type, KDE 4 is installing. Not bad for an embedded box I brought in to be my always-on (5 watts!) server and just thought I'd try running KDE on it for fun, which turned out to work really well.

    Oh right, time to install openoffice too, you never know when you might need that on a server :-)
  • by Seven001 ( 750590 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @06:08AM (#22271614)
    On my computer, WoW runs better under Wine in Linux than on Windows XP. Faster load times and such. Not saying that's the case for everyone, but I have heard quite a few others say the same.
  • Icewind Dale 2 (Score:2, Interesting)

    by incripshin ( 580256 ) <markpeloquin&gmail,com> on Saturday February 02, 2008 @06:10AM (#22271622) Homepage

    I couldn't play Icewind Dale II in Windows XP. There are issues with many laptop input drivers screwing with the keyboard in that game. I couldn't resolve the problem, so I switched to linux, copied the Icewind Dale II directory, which was patched and had a no-CD crack, and it runs swimmingly. The only issue is that my linux cursor still shows on top of the game, but I rarely notice it.

    I also remember trying to play Escape From Monkey Island(tm) in Windows XP, but there was this one part of the game that you couldn't get past (rowing up to Pegnose Pete's swamp shack). When playing The Curse of Monkey Island(tm), the cut-scenes would blaze past in seconds. I had to install Windows 98 to play the games. Compatibility mode didn't cut it. Other games that won't work in XP are Myst and Riven.

    Laptop drivers are a bitch in Windows, and so I blame laptop manufacturers like Sony and Dell for making quirky hardware that need special drivers. I blame Microsoft for allowing such stupid driver issues to exist. Finally, I blame the developers for not using the APIs that they're supposed to be using, like DirectX, OpenGL, or SDL.

  • by DigitAl56K ( 805623 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @06:13AM (#22271632)
    Here is what I wonder: How will the suites that provide emulation and Windows-compatible API hosts deal with Vista? Will they too eventually have to implement all kinds of crazy code that changes the way the Windows API behaves to make calls respond like they do in Vista, add in all the various "compatibility" and "security" shims that Vista implements to make newer Windows apps behave properly? After all, the developers will have built and tested their applications in this environment.

    I wonder how projects such as Wine will ultimately deal with this issue.
  • WoW on Linux (Score:5, Interesting)

    by krischik ( 781389 ) <krischik&users,sourceforge,net> on Saturday February 02, 2008 @06:30AM (#22271678) Homepage Journal
    I too play WoW on Linux - Without cedega that is. There is an endless discussion on the internal cedage forums about it - but the bottom line is: Sometimes it's better to use an up-to-date Wine with OpenGL instead.

    The only thing which does not work is the Microphone - but it won't work the Linux version of Skype either so the trouble is elsewhere.

    See my installation aid: http://martin.krischik.com/index.php/Main/WoWOnLinux [krischik.com]

    Martin
  • by mrwolf007 ( 1116997 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @07:05AM (#22271772)
    Actually the test was pretty good.
    The test was designed to test Vista`s compatibility, so the choice of games wasnt bad.
    It included an old DOS-title, several Indie games (not optimized for Vista, but made for XP) and pretty recent well known game (CIV 4).
    Im also pretty sure that DOS-compatibility is at least equal on linux as compared to Vista, based on my own experience.
    I dont know about the coding quality of the indie games but i guess point is, Vista is not compatible to XP. Ok who would have guessed that?
    And to find out that even a recent game such as CIV4 doesnt work without the latest patches and fiddling around, well talk about compatibility.
  • by paganizer ( 566360 ) <thegrove1NO@SPAMhotmail.com> on Saturday February 02, 2008 @07:16AM (#22271806) Homepage Journal
    Well, actually. you can.
    Microsoft bought VirtualPC from Connectix(?) a few years back; they now give it away. So just to make sure I wasn't hallucinating, I just popped up a DOS 6.22 window with Masters of Magic, a Win98SE window with Starcraft, and for giggles a Debian window running Americas Army. All run fine, simultaneously.
    Of course, this is on Win2k. and Americas Army didn't have a great frame rate. but thats probably because the machine only has 1gb of ram and a Geforce4 MX 4000 card.
    It also works on XP. I've had my XP-MCE Core Duo / Nvidia 7300 Laptop running 6 simultaneous "Alien Armageddon" games.
    Vista....wouldn't even think about trying it.
  • by ricegf ( 1059658 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @07:32AM (#22271862) Journal

    Strangely, I've yet to hear a kind word from the normals in the real world.

    Y'know, the odd thing is that I have.

    For instance, we hosted several young British missionaries (these were religious missionaries, mind you, not Linux missionaries ;-) at our house last summer (I'm in North America), and they all had laptops (nat'chully). To my surprise, one of them was running Ubuntu. I asked him why he chose Ubuntu over Windows, and he replied with admirable British conciseness, "It doesn't crash so much."

    I've run across several others in my church who were using Ubuntu when I met them (and that one Suse guy ;-). Yes, it's a big church, but it's a church, not an engineering conference or engineering club. Nor is it a high-tech firm such as where I work, where Linux is a rather commonplace choice, even for the spouses.

    I'm no longer surprised to meet "normals" using Linux. I'm more surprised nowadays to find someone like you who hasn't. :-)

  • Filesystem (Score:5, Interesting)

    by phorm ( 591458 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @09:16AM (#22272314) Journal
    I found the same with many games. Perhaps you could get similar results by really tweaking out NTFS, but I've found that ReiserFS really ran circles around my window default FAT32/NTFS windows config, and XFS was pretty damn good too.

    Merits of the OS as a whole aside, the windows world has seen pretty much nothing new except unmaterialized promises in the filesystem arena, whilst 'nix filesystems have experience regular updates and steady growth.
  • Wayback Machine (Score:2, Interesting)

    by El Lobo ( 994537 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @12:10PM (#22273336)
    This is completly true, I swear. Go to the wayback machine. The VERY first cached slashdot page (from 1998) there has this interesting article conviniently titled Linux Affecting MS Sales? " ( http://web.archive.org/web/19980113193017/slashdot.org/slashdot.cgi?mode=article&artnum=419 [archive.org] ):

    From the article: "Could 98 really be the year Linux breaks into the main stream corporate world in a big way?".

    Really, it's not funny anymore.

  • by rcamans ( 252182 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @01:05PM (#22273792)
    Actually, I have tried to run off a couple of the latest Ubuntu cds, and it has not worked at all. It probably is because I am runnung on a standard Intel 845GBV motherboard, manufactured in high volume, with an old ATI 8500DV all-in-wonder video card. I am more than a little disappointed that ubuntu fails to run. I have never had that problem with windows.
    Just to make sure you understand my level of expertise, I am the electronic hardware engineer who designed the 845GBV motherboard (over a million shipped), as well as many other motherboards while at Intel. No, I am not an Intel fanatic (they laid me off with 3,000 other Americans one day in fall of 2002). Nor am I a Windows fanatic. I am always thankful when the latest windows annoyances book comes out. I think we need a linux annoyances book. My level of familiarity with linux? I have been running and supporting a majority of the unix and linux operating systems for over 15 years. Yes, I could have gotten it to work. I just do not have that much time to devote to fussing with it right now, and no compelling reason to do so. Give me a reason to waste my time on it.
  • by Lemmy Caution ( 8378 ) on Saturday February 02, 2008 @02:06PM (#22274278) Homepage
    I ran Linux for several years, as well as OS/2 for a couple. Both minoritarian OSs, both with active enthusiast bases.

    The tendency for its partisans to distort the truth regarding the flaws of Windows systems has made me gun-shy of any OS that has these kinds of advocates. The article itself, and its easy debunking, are case-in-point. Running Windows games in either Linux or OS/2 (back in the day) was a fraught, troubled exercise. I wasted a great deal of time trying to get things to run, while reading fantastic stories like the original article about the disastrous experience of running games (or other applications) in Windows.

    It isn't that I'd expect Linux or another OS to run Windows games well or even at all. Rather, it is the claims that are made that deeply erode the credibility of an advocacy base that are a problem. When I started to run Windows and found myself less, rather than more frustrated, for desktop and entertainment applications, that credibility vanished.

    Nowadays, I have a Windows-based gaming system and use a MacBook for my work. If I were in the appropriate field of work, there are applications for which I would definitely use Linux (running large-scale simulations, infrastructure, hosting large amounts of data, web-based services etc.) But I know see the hobbyist community (not the open-source community, who I consider latter-day heroes, but the "DIY"/PC-as-plaything group) as unreliable, unsophisticated and unbalanced. The author of the original article sets off all those alarms for me.

For God's sake, stop researching for a while and begin to think!

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