UK Report Slams EULAs 239
draevil writes "Britain's National Consumer Council has completed an investigation into the practice of software End User License Agreements(EULAs) with the conclusion that many consumers are signing away their legal rights and agreeing to unfair terms, which they could never have scrutinized before purchase. The report also acknowledges that even if the EULA were available prior to purchase, it would be unreasonable to expect an average consumer to understand the terms to which they were agreeing. Here are the full report (PDF) and a summary." The NCC recommends that the European Commission bring softwre licenses under the same consumer protections that apply to other products in the EU.
A terrific "indirect" attack! (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course if it were allowed, every other player in every other industry would hope to disclaim liability for anything and everything they sell you. But most governments, local, regional and national already have consumer protection laws in place to form the base-line of product liability. But for some reason, software as a product or as a service has somehow been overlooked in most areas (though some states in the US have consumer protection laws that include software). It'll be about time to see those same laws apply to software.
Re:They didn't review the GPL (Score:3, Insightful)
> Does the GPL also create an imbalance between the rights of the distributer and the rights of the consumer?
I wouldn't have thought so, since consumers can freely read the GPL before using the GPL-licensed application, and the GPL effectively empowers the consumer to become a distributor. I had a quick peek at the relevant legislation [opsi.gov.uk] and couldn't see anything that would affect the GPL.
IANAL etc etc
There is one thing I want to know... (Score:3, Insightful)
http://sycrat.com/sycrat/screenshots/screenshot1.png [sycrat.com] NO WMDs please
Yes, I know the example is for US cases, but just the same.
Re:I am not handsome enough to be a lawyer (Score:5, Insightful)
The option to back out. By the time you have the EULA on your screen, you've already paid for the software. "Hell no" isn't a viable option; have you ever tried to return open software to a retail store?
Seems strange.. (Score:3, Insightful)
One might argue that if the law is so weakly formulated that it is rendered invalid simply by one party telling the other that it is, then the law is the problem not the EULA. Haven't read TFA so no idea if this is just another misleading summary or not, but it strikes me as strange that would be possible in most any country.
Where I live there's no way to sign away my legal rights. A EULA can demand I agree to being boiled in oil if I reverse engineer the program, but that means less than the pixels used to display the EULA in the eyes of the law. Especially since reverse engineering something to make it suit my needs is explicitly protected by law last I heard.
Come to think of it, don't most EULAs actually include a phrase stating it's not applicable where void by local legislation?
Not quite (Score:4, Insightful)
I USED to before install go and change the text of the EULA for fun (so that the CEO of the software maker give me his first born). Or delete the text file before install. Or ask my nephew to install your software (kids aren't contractible if parents refuse). Such shenanigan would not happen with a real signed contract.
Re: They didn't review the GPL (Score:3, Insightful)
TPB license agreement (Score:4, Insightful)
The other thing is that no one reads all their EULAs thoroughly. If they did heavy computer users would be complaining about spending weeks installing software (or not understanding something about the EULA), when in reality software installation is something people often are doing in their "spare" time after all their other obligations are met. I've found that those people who suggest they do read all their EULAs are either doing it for a job or socially impaired or just plain liars.
Most people just understand that unless it's free software it's not legal to copy. Beyond that they use their software however they choose paying no mind to the EULA. In fact I've come across many a game forum where people openly are flouting the terms of the EULA and the company who creates the game turn a blind eye and don't wish to even discuss licensing issues beyond regurgitating the "copying is stealing" mantra. This is enough enforcement for the company to benefit from the inclusion of the EULA for individual users. Only when the software is used on a grander scale contrary to the EULA does the company act to put a stop to that use, and even then only when it hurts their commercial interests.
Re:No need. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I am not handsome enough to be a lawyer (Score:5, Insightful)
It needs to be pointed out, piracy is the stated reason I cannot return opened software. Yet not being able to return opened software is driving me to piracy...
Re:No need. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I am not handsome enough to be a lawyer (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, unconscionable contracts, or unconscionable clauses in contracts are not enforced, but "unconscionable" != "very one-sided". And, penalty clauses are often not enforced. But, there are plenty of very one-sided agreements that are regularly enforced -- your credit card agreement is probably one of them.
Plus, if you sign a contract with no intention of ever following through, you may end up getting hit with punitive damages.
Lets call it by its true name (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's call it by its true name: Coercion.
By the time you're presented with the EULA, you've already exchanged money for a box advertising the features of the software. That's a contract if ever I heard one. The EULA attempts to force you into a new contract, with NO CONSIDERATION beyond releasing their hold on the features and properties of the software that are already yours. That is coercion.
And no, disclaiming on the box that you have to agree to a contract is NOT sufficient if they are not disclosing the terms of the contract itself.
IANAL, but I have studied with one.
Re:return-to-store test case (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't know about other jurisdictions, but Ontario requires that claims under $10,000 be resolved in Small Claims Court. Because the courts are for all people, and your government cares.
Suing to return your software is very easy, but almost certainly not worth the effort for each individual consumer.
This is what class actions are for. Of course, if you're going to do a class action, you're far better off suing the software company that drafted the oppressive EULA in the first place. Or filing a complaint for anti-competitive practices.
There are ways to fight abusive big businesses, but personal law suits are rarely the answer.
US courts are okay with them, this is the EU/UK (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a difference, in the EU consumer rights mean something.
Do you know about dead pixels in LCD screens? The one the industry tells you are acceptable? Dutch law clearly FORBIDS this. ANY LCD with a single defective SUB-pixel has to be replaced. No argument possible. The netherlands is the only country where sony replaced every PSP with ANY pixel problems.
So you are right in saying these EULA's are not illegal in the US, but the EU has far better laws for protecting the consumer and it has long been known by any who follows consumer afair programs they are entirely without worth within the EU and any company that tries to take you to court over one will find a very hostile judge. Hence why they never been tested, the companies know they will loose it.
Re:Lets call it by its true name (Score:5, Insightful)
However, I don't think this detracts from your coercion argument. Even if the EULA is considered to be an extension of the contract for sale that was begun in the store, the buyer has already taken on the responsibilities of ownership by the time the EULA is presented (e.g. risk of loss, theft, or damage to the goods in transit to the buyer's home). Therefore the buyer must also obtain the rights of ownership. One of the rights of ownership of software is the right to use the software with a computer (section 117 of the Copyright Act bestows this right). The EULA is an attempt to interfere with this right.
So, even if the EULA is viewed as an extension of the contract for sale, any terms in the EULA that interfere with the buyer's ownership rights are, by that time, unconscionable. And the attempt to force the user to agree to those unconscionable terms is still coercion.
Re:return-to-store test case (Score:3, Insightful)
That being said, the store is unlikely to get off so easily. IIRC, the laws that govern retail business and make EULAs possible expect that a consumer should be able to return through a retail outlet. The judge may or may not be happy about the store's unwillingness to let you reject the terms of purchase.
The most likely outcome is that the store would not show up for the small-claims case, and you'd win by default. Then they'd stonewall your attempts to retrieve your money. In the end, you'd have to sell the judgment to a collection agency at a loss.