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Teen Phone Phreak Targeted by the FBI 431

Wired has an interesting editorial on the latest resurgence of the old days of phone phreaking and the latest phreak that is rising into the FBI crosshairs. The most recent hoax, "swatting", involves malicious pranksters calling police with reports of fake murders, hostage crises, or the like and spoofing the call to appear as though it was from another location. "Now the FBI thinks it has identified the culprit in the Colorado swatting as a 17-year-old East Boston phone phreak known as "Li'l Hacker." Because he's underage, Wired.com is not reporting Li'l Hacker's last name. His first name is Matthew, and he poses a unique challenge to the federal justice system, because he is blind from birth. If he's guilty, the attack is at once the least sophisticated and most malicious of a string of capers linked to Matt, who stumbled into the lingering remains of the decades-old subculture of phone phreaking when he was 14, and quickly rose to become one of the most skilled active phreakers alive."
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Teen Phone Phreak Targeted by the FBI

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  • by AdamTrace ( 255409 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:29PM (#22603678)
    I love a good prank as much as the next guy, but sending the SWAT team to an innocent persons house? That's not that cool...
  • Challenge? Why (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NETHED ( 258016 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:29PM (#22603682) Homepage
    Why is he a challenge? If he broke the law, he broke the law, blind or not.

    The justice system should be blind, so who cares if he broke the law.

    For this he will (rightfully) be tried as an adult because this kind of behavior can cost real lives. (I'll get modded down for being a troll)
  • Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)

    by moogied ( 1175879 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:32PM (#22603698)
    I think this is more a sign that the telco's really need to look at phone security. If a teenager can STILL phreak, decades after it started.. Something needs to be done.
  • if phreakers or hackers target the feds

    but please don't target the local law enforcement guys. you're actively denying some poor shlub 911 resources who might need them in a real emergency

    that makes you worse than anything you say you are opposing
  • No kidding (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:35PM (#22603758)
    Instead of calling him a "prankster", a "hacker", etc. and then complaining that he is giving "the rest of us a bad name", why not call him what he really is?

    A sociopath, a criminal.
  • Yikes! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Rary ( 566291 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:36PM (#22603788)

    When I was a kid and used to phreak..... um, I mean, when I heard about people doing this..... it was all about connecting to long-distance BBSes for free and downloading games. What this kid is doing is just sick.

    There's hackers/crackers/phreaks, and then there's people who are just plain assholes.

  • by FatSean ( 18753 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:36PM (#22603790) Homepage Journal
    Our police SWAT teams always comport themselves justly. Of course, due to cowardice of many American voters, they can now just bust in and start shooting without saying a word. If a few innocents have to die so that the retarded "take my freedoms and tell me I'm safe" can be shown how wrong they are, so be it.

    Of course, I'm betting it won't be my house...pretty good odds :D
  • At least... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Artaxs ( 1002024 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:39PM (#22603858)
    In this particular story at least, no one was killed. Considering just how often SWAT teams kill innocents [cato.org] with their no-knock, shoot-first tactics, this kid is lucky he hasn't been implicated in a wrongful death (yet).

    It seems to me that there is a big difference between phone phreaking to get free long-distance calls and spoofing phone numbers to bring SWAT down on an innocent family.

  • A Hero. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by FatSean ( 18753 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:40PM (#22603862) Homepage Journal
    If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear from your militarized police force!
  • by canowhoopass.com ( 197454 ) * <rod@nOsPaM.canowhoopass.com> on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:40PM (#22603872) Homepage

    Wired is so kind not to identify the juvenile...

    1. East Boston
    2. 17 Years Old
    3. Named Matthew
    4. Blind

    Thanks to this reporting, anyone who knows him now knows what he did. This will follow him around forever.

    Wired could have at least left the first name out and kept the story intact.

  • The good ole days (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cgfsd ( 1238866 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:40PM (#22603876)
    What ever happened to the good ole days where phreaking used to mean getting free long distance, free sex chat line and messing with the phone company?

    Sending a SWAT team to someone's random house is not a juvenile prank, someone could easily get shot.

    Now having a gay 1-900 line call a buddy back and thank him for his business, now that is a prank.

    Stick to free 1-900 calls and messing with phone switches. Think before sending heavily armed, trigger happy police into a perceived hostile environment.
  • Re:Thank Ma Bell (Score:0, Insightful)

    by __aavhli5779 ( 690619 ) * on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:41PM (#22603886) Journal
    Equally retarded is trusting caller ID for a 911 call.

    ANI exists for a reason.

    I suspect this kid was spoofing ANI (which is possible if you have the right kind of PSTN termination; it's not a hack, christ). If he was spoofing CID and actually managed to send the SWAT team to some peoples' houses, some E911 centers really need to review their policies.
  • by localroger ( 258128 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:41PM (#22603900) Homepage
    It's not that the cops are busy with the prank, it's that the cops think they are walking into a violently dangerous situation and conduct themselves accordingly, placing the innocent victims in real danger. It sucks about him being blind but not as much as it would suck to wake up at 2 AM because a bunch of goons have smashed your windows and invaded your home, grab your gun and attempt to defend yourself, and get shot by the cops for your trouble. I have zero sympathy and hope his stay in the pen is as much fun as his pranks are.
  • by Kickersny.com ( 913902 ) <{kickers} {at} {gmail.com}> on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:43PM (#22603934) Homepage
    The OP specified an "innocent person's house." I don't think Jack Thompson fits into that category.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:44PM (#22603960)
    If he did what he is alleged to have done, I'm not sure I see much of a problem with it following him around forever.
  • So... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:50PM (#22604058)
    If I break in to your house, and make no mistake I could easily do so, should you be prosecuted for not having secured your house well enough? Because unless you have extraordinarily good security, it really isn't hard to get by. You think a pin-tumbler lock and a simple alarm system do anything? Get real, trivial to get around. So should you be held accountable if I break the law and get in to your house just because you don't have superb security?

    I am just trying to understand here, because on /. there seems to be this attitude with regards to digital security that if you can do it, it should be ok to do. It is all on the person who owns the system to make it completely invenerable. So I'm just wondering if you feel the same way about physical security, since I can say with 99.99999% certainty, yours sucks (since almost everyone's does). If you don't feel the same about it, why not? Why should it be ok to break in to a computer but not a house?
  • Thuggery (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wsanders ( 114993 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:51PM (#22604074) Homepage
    This isn't phreaking, it's thuggery. The Coast Guard has a BIG problem with phony emergencies on marine radio, like at it's peak 2 or 3 pranks per week in the SF Bay Area.

    When you get caught you are not released to the custody of your parents, they make sure you go to ass-pounding school.
  • Re:Thank Ma Bell (Score:4, Insightful)

    by JustinOpinion ( 1246824 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:51PM (#22604076)
    I see this as less of a caller ID issue and more of a classic 911-prank issue.

    If the caller ID were not available, or were from a cellphone, or didn't make sense, or whatever else, the 911 responder would still have been obliged to send emergency personnel. If a call sounds legit (and often even if it doesn't), the police will respond, regardless of what caller ID says. Ultimately this was a dangerous prank and should be treated as such.

    The caller ID spoofing merely means that it took a bit longer to track down the prankster. You might argue that the insecurity of caller ID gave the prankster the guts to make a fake call in the first place. But then again, pranksters can use pay phones if they want anonymity. In any case the police will respond to the call.

  • Re:Skillz! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Itninja ( 937614 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:52PM (#22604096) Homepage
    Totally. Like this one time I haxored in my neighbors wireless router and then threatened someones life using their network. When the SWAT team showed up and cuffed my neighbor it was TEH AWESOME! Oh, wait, that never happened because I'm not a monster.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:55PM (#22604142)
    I believe everything I see on TV, too.
  • Here's an idea (Score:1, Insightful)

    by British ( 51765 ) <british1500@gmail.com> on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:58PM (#22604192) Homepage Journal
    Now call me crazy on this one: Don't send SWAT teams based on a FUCKING PHONE CALL. Why would any law enforcement arm be so dumb as to send an army to a house based on a phone call. You would think the cops would be wise as to think maybe not everyonw who calls is honest.

    You would think they have enough surveillance & snoop equipment to look into a house they've got a call on to find the house empty, or have no struggle going on.

    Can't they just send one officer instead of a whole SWAT team, why not just send one officer in to kindly inquire? That's what they do for prank/hangup 911 calls. This may sound sick, but it would better if 1 cop perished on an actual call than a whole terrorized family from a SWAT team. They put their lives on the line while the families don't.

    This reminds me of the gullible managers at a McDonalds that were supposedly called by "police", instructing to strip serach & molest an employee. Haven't we had telephones long enough to realize the other end might not be honest. Proof, evidence, heard of 'em?

    The SWAT teams/dispatchers could have solved this problem ages ago. 9/11 isn't some sort of excuse to say "oh we can't take any chances" and turn a family into swiss cheese.
  • by JustinOpinion ( 1246824 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @03:58PM (#22604196)
    I don't think that would be a useful legal trend. First of all, every security device (from software to padlocks to alarm systems) is imperfect. They will all fail at a certain point. They are marketed as providing a level of security: not infinite security.

    Secondly, laws like that would only discourage companies from even trying. In the physical world, no company would be willing to undertake the legal liability for selling padlocks. In software, no company would be willing to sell security software (or any software at all if the law applied broadly). Alternately, software would cost a fortune (the liability insurance would be built-in). This would also kill free/open-source software, since they would have no way to pay for the liability insurance and legal bills that would result from a compromised vulnerability.

    Ultimately the people in charge of data/computers must be the ones held responsible. If you store top secret files in a cheap file cabinet, it's not the fault of the file-cabinet maker when someone breaks the lock and steals the files. Similarly if a company poorly implements security software, that is their fault... not the software vendor's.
  • Re:Challenge? Why (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:00PM (#22604228)
    Too bad. Find some place for the arrogant, vindictive, blind sociopath and put him there long enough for him to reconsider the error of his ways. Be sure to note that without the word "blind" stuck in there, you'd have felt no sympathy for him whatsoever.

    Might want to think about doing something to the mother, too. According to the article she was aware of his activities and did nothing about it. In fact, it says, she was proud of what he'd learned to do.
  • What a loser (Score:3, Insightful)

    by imsabbel ( 611519 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:01PM (#22604238)
    Sorry if you have an ocular deficite, but thats still no reason to fuck with other people.

    What he did relates to "phreaking" like burning down a server rack relates to "hacking".

    There is a word for that kind of people. Its "sociopaths". Dont believe me? Look it up.
  • by Dekortage ( 697532 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:05PM (#22604296) Homepage

    ...they have too much power. I hope this kid beats the rap and the abusive powers we have given law enforcement are brought to the attention of the nation.

    You are missing the point. This has nothing to do with cops power, even if I agree that it might be excessive. This has everything to do with a person finding a way to direct that power in an illegal and dangerous manner. It'd be like finding a way to send powerful surges of electricity to your house and damaging your electronics -- you wouldn't blame the electric company for the problem, even if they were responsible for a system in which such a surge was possible.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:05PM (#22604308)
    Someone points out that cops are human and make mistakes and gets modded a troll. Aww, I guess a cop's feelings got hurt. Maybe instead of modding people down they should ask themselves what they could be doing to earn back the respect that they cry about nobody giving them for free anymore.
  • by EntropyXP ( 956792 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:12PM (#22604386)
    If this kid had called in a fake crime at someone's house and then the SWAT comes in guns blazing and killed someone, who'd be responsible?

    Years ago a friend's stepdad was killed in Kansas City. The cops followed his stepdaughter (my friend) home from a party where drugs were present. An hour after she went home the cops busted into her house with flashlights and guns. Their uniforms were black. Well, the step-dad hears the ruckus and comes out with his handgun that he kept near to his bed. Without warning the police shot and killed him. AND, there were no drugs in the house and my friend had LEFT the party because drugs had been present. The cops busted into their house for NO legitimate reason. The family won a large lawsuit against the city and the police department for a wrongful death.

    What if something similar to this happened after the blind kid called the SWAT in on somebody? I'd sue the crap out of this kid's family, their cousins, their cousin's cousins and anyone else whose name I had. I'd sue the folks that make the technology that allow 'spoofing' of the calls origin. I've read about phreaking and it could be stopped instantly if telecos went all digital.

    This kid should have the privilege of prison cell for a few years.

  • Re:Here's an idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DerekLyons ( 302214 ) <fairwater@gmaLISPil.com minus language> on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:20PM (#22604488) Homepage

    You would think they have enough surveillance & snoop equipment to look into a house they've got a call on to find the house empty, or have no struggle going on.

    You would think so - if your source of information is Hollywood or tinfoil hat websites. In reality, they don't.
     
     

    Can't they just send one officer instead of a whole SWAT team, why not just send one officer in to kindly inquire?

    You know what happens when they do that? People die. Either the cop, or people involved in the struggle, or innocent bystanders.
  • Re:Challenge? Why (Score:5, Insightful)

    by plague3106 ( 71849 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:24PM (#22604544)
    Well, sucks to be him huh? I guess he'll have to fall down a few stairs in prison; should have thought of that before he did this shit. His actions are not excusable, and his disabilities matter not when deciding his punishment.
  • Re:Challenge? Why (Score:3, Insightful)

    by plague3106 ( 71849 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:27PM (#22604578)
    Really? At least two people being injuried doesn't play into this at all? The fact that there is a very real possibility someone would be killed if he isn't stopped now doesn't matter? I call that a callous indifference to human beings. Get real. There's no reason not to try him as an adult, do you think he'd wake up next year and think "wow, that was really stupid of me." If he hasn't learned it by now, he's probably never going to.
  • by plague3106 ( 71849 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:34PM (#22604686)
    The grandmother? She shot at the cops after they broke into her house. The cops were returning fire.

    Um, slow down there buddy. If someone breaks into your house, its totally reasonable to shoot at them to defend yourself. How is she to know if they are cops or not?
  • Re:Here's an idea (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Translation Error ( 1176675 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:35PM (#22604704)
    Oh, yes, if the authorities get a realistic-sounding call about an armed, crazed gunman holding me and my family hostage in my home, I would feel so much better knowing they're sending a single officer to politely inquire instead of a SWAT team. Because if it's a false alarm, no harm done, and if it isn't--well, I'm sure a single police officer showing up on the doorstep couldn't make the situaton with that crazed gunman any worse.

    Yes, having a SWAT team sent to the home of an unsuspecting family is bad and someone might get hurt, but if the officers are well-trained, people probably won't. I know that's not much comfort if something does go wrong, but I think I'd rather live with that than the results of them not taking a real situation seriously.
  • Re:Challenge? Why (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:37PM (#22604734)

    If he hasn't learned it by now, he's probably never going to.
    Wouldn't you say that at 16? This argument can be applied ad nauseum to the point of executing toddlers. Why exactly do we have an "age of majority" at which we start holding people resonsible for their actions if we're going to make arbitrary ad hoc exceptions to it?
  • Ok but then (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:53PM (#22604934)
    Are you going to sure the lock maker if I break in your house? All door locks I've ever seen are defective. I have yet to see the door lock that can't be picked. The high security ones are much harder, it takes an expert to do it (I can't) but it can be done. However even if you decide those high security ones are ok, almost all of the ones on the market are not that good. Regular locks are rather easy to pick (I can pick them). The kind you get at Home Depot and such are rather simple. For that matter, I needn't even bother. I can just get a key for them, which is easy since the blanks aren't controlled, and make a bump key. What's more, some of these same companies even make high security locks that are better, they just aren't sold through normal channels (or at normal prices).

    So are you going to go and sue Kwikset or Schlage or whoever makes your lock if I break in? Should your insurance refuse to pay because you got a normal lock, instead of a high security one? Again I ask: Do you hold physical security to the same standard as virtual security (which like most geeks seems to be perfection), or is it different? If so, why?
  • by SmallFurryCreature ( 593017 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:54PM (#22604952) Journal

    Geez, you would think that on slashdot people would know the difference, this is prank calling, NOT phreaking. Phreaking is about getting free phone calls, not about causing a nuisance and most certainly NOT about sending swat teams out to third parties. A real phreaker would absolutly at no point consider causing harm to others (other then the phone company offcourse :P ) as even acceptable, let alone for it be the only goal.

    This guy and others like it are at best doing prank calls and at worsed doing real harm to the people around them. How would you like to be really need the emergency services and find that they are out because some lunatic send them on a wild goose chase? How would you like it if swat stood on your doorstep.

    What next, smashing somebodies face in and stealing their mobile is phreaking too?

    Put this guy in jail, and if he is blind, well I am sure he can find a cellmate to show him the ropes. I am sick to death of the bleeding hearts, you do wrong, you go to jail. Just remember the thing about equality, all people should be equal for the law, and that means being blind or whatever doesn't get you out of jail.

  • Re:Challenge? Why (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pnewhook ( 788591 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @04:59PM (#22605006)

    He blew hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers money getting emergency crews running around on wild goose chases. He tied up the emergency system needlessly and someone who needed them at the time may very well have been killed.

    This is clear cut public reckless endangerment, and he should be prosecuted fully for it.

  • Re:Challenge? Why (Score:2, Insightful)

    by tirefire ( 724526 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @05:00PM (#22605022)
    I agree; there's no reason not to try him as an adult.

    Oh wait, he's 17, and not an adult.

    Derp.
  • by Hockney Twang ( 769594 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @05:08PM (#22605154)
    And if he didn't? Do you think we'd ever see a retraction?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 29, 2008 @05:12PM (#22605202)
    Ummm ... what brown people actually use the library?
  • by plague3106 ( 71849 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @05:15PM (#22605234)
    Yes. You act as if you're not causing harm. If your house is broken into, the only reasonable thing to do is assume your life is in danger. What legitimate reason does someone have to break into your house? You act in a threatening way you should expect harm to come to you.

    What do you think should happen? Ask them politely to leave? Do you think they break in to throw you a suprise birthday party?

    Please, wake up. You're only as safe as YOU make yourself.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/02/2007-12-02_grandma_killed_and_grandson_stabbed_in_l.html [nydailynews.com]
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/02/2007-12-02_grandma_killed_and_grandson_stabbed_in_l.html [nydailynews.com]
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/02042007/news/regionalnews/l_i__home_invasion_slaying_regionalnews_frank_ryan______and_c_j__sullivan.htm [nypost.com]
    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/cops-arrest-suspect-in-attempted-home-invasion/3555644578 [aol.com]
  • Re:No kidding (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jollyreaper ( 513215 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @05:19PM (#22605304)

    Instead of calling him a "prankster", a "hacker", etc. and then complaining that he is giving "the rest of us a bad name", why not call him what he really is?

    A sociopath, a criminal.
    Playful is crank-calling someone and asking if their refrigerator is running. Getting a dozen pizzas delivered to the local police station is a prank and theft but nobody got hurt. Calling in SWAT teams gets people killed. There are many cases of SWAT no-knocking the wrong apartment and either shooting unarmed people or getting shot at by guys with guns defending their homes. (Note to 2nd amendment types: your guns will not keep you free. If the government wants your ass, they're going to get it.)
  • by maillemaker ( 924053 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @05:38PM (#22605496)
    >(Note to 2nd amendment types: your guns will not keep you free. If the government wants your ass, they're going to get it.)

    Of course, the government getting one or two asses is one thing. Thousands, or tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or millions of asses - that's a bit harder to contain.

    Ask the Vietnamese. Or the Mogadishuans. Or the Iraqies.
  • by Dogtanian ( 588974 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @06:18PM (#22605924) Homepage
    Oh, seriously. Just fuck off with the glorification bullshit already.

    Just because there are holes in a system that he's inadvertently exposing through his exploits doesn't make him a hero any more than the Russian mafia are heroes for exposing flaws in the credit card system.

    Morally, this tosser is no better than the scum who make phoney calls to the fire brigade and throw stones and objects at them. The consequences have the potential to be just as- and possibly more- serious.

    Of course, this guy's a hacker- one of us, right. He's not some antisocial ned [wikipedia.org] or chav [wikipedia.org] from a council estate [wikipedia.org] (who'd probably attack you and film it on their mobile phones [wikipedia.org]). So that makes his actions alright, doesn't it? Way to go with the double standards.

    Is he clever and talented? Probably, yeah, but since he's using his "skills" to fuck about with mostly decent people for his own amusement, fuck the prick and let him rot in prison.
  • by FelixGordon ( 1132635 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @06:24PM (#22605994)
    Fine examples of people whose guns have bought them high levels of freedom.

    Oh wait..
  • by Trerro ( 711448 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @06:34PM (#22606092)
    Phreaking is a trivial offense. Calling ID spoofing isn't even illegal, and there's perfectly valid reasons to do it. Hacking the phone system to run silly pranks is likewise pretty much harmless - depending on the prank, it might be offensive, but it's highly unlikely to do any real harm. Done well, it can even be fun for the target. "Stealing" long distance service is at WORST, petty theft, and should carry an appropriately minor penalty - a few hours of community service and maybe a small fine.

    Sending an armed SWAT team to innocent man's hours, on the other hand, is NOT trivial in any way! Neither is calling ambulances to nonexistent emergencies. There's 2 issues here:
    1. The SWAT teams are being called to what they think is a deadly situation involving hardened criminals. The innocent homeowner hears someone break into his house and is quite likely to do what a LOT of people would do in that situation - grab the nearest weapon. If he happens to own a gun, he's probably going to at least load it and make it quite visible, and quite possibly fire it at the intruder. Not only will he get mowed down in a hail of a gunfire from the SWAT team, but he may very well unknowingly kill a cop before he dies.
    2. Guess what happens when some random guy has a heart attack, and arrives 20 minutes late to the hospital because all of the ambulances are busy responding to pranks?

    "Swatting" and phoning false emergencies are NOT harmless phone pranks. They can both directly and indirectly kill innocents.

    Whether the guy bribes a cop to get a false swat report put out or hacks the phone system to do it is totally irrelevant.
  • by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Friday February 29, 2008 @06:46PM (#22606176) Homepage Journal
    Yes, there needs to be accountability.

    Unfortunately the police thing they are the military, and they are not. There not trained nearly as well, their situation is different, there job is different and they are not in the military.

    You hand cuff and and secure someone, you don't keep pointing guns at them, you have no reason to scream obscenities at them(this under NO circumstance can help anyways, it only confuses the situation by adding noise that gets in the way of actual informative communication.
    When you are wearing no clear identifing marks, storm into someones home and get killed, that's YOUR fault, not the person who thought they were being robbed.

    So you need accountability, and in the case where procedure was violated, or a procedure is deemed unreasonably, the law enforcement officer should go to court, and the dept. should be held liable of monetary damages.
    make them think, and make the dept. think. Before being allowed to go, perhaps there should be someone whose job it is to review the information?
  • Re:No kidding (Score:5, Insightful)

    by orclevegam ( 940336 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @07:03PM (#22606340) Journal
    He is a phreaker, but he's using his skills for stupid, destructive, dangerous, and just plain mean things. He's spoofing numbers, and using social engineering to do things like disconnect peoples phone lines who he doesn't like, or to get cars of armed SWAT to storm their houses. Basically he's smart, he's got plenty of skill, and he's a complete and total dick who hasn't the slightest idea how to use those smarts or skills in a constructive fashion. He also has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone and can do whatever he wants with no consequences for himself.
  • by hardburn ( 141468 ) <hardburn@wumpus-ca[ ]net ['ve.' in gap]> on Friday February 29, 2008 @07:36PM (#22606628)

    Why? What has Florida done for the other 49 states lately?

  • Re:No kidding (Score:3, Insightful)

    by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @08:57PM (#22607106)
    That, and NAME him. Just because someone is "underage" doesn't mean they should be able to conceal their criminal behavior. His crimes should follow him through life, and his punishment be an example to others.
  • Re:No kidding (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RedK ( 112790 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @10:07PM (#22607450)
    If you throw a live Bee's nest in someone's kitchen where he's having a diner party, sure it can be considered a prank, and since you're not responsible for the fact that the Bees will defend themselves, it's perfectly innocent right ?

    Don't stir a Hornet's nest. You know SWAT teams aren't renowned for their sense of humor, don't go playing pranks on them. There is a term for what you are describing, it is Criminal Negligence. You are responsible if people get hurt, end of story. It has nothing to do with the Old Generation and everything to do with the new generation not wanting to take responsibility for their actions.
  • Re:No kidding (Score:4, Insightful)

    by westlake ( 615356 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @10:44PM (#22607612)
    He also has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone and can do whatever he wants with no consequences for himself.

    This reads like the textbook definition of a sociopath.

  • Re:No kidding (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Obfuscant ( 592200 ) on Friday February 29, 2008 @10:56PM (#22607656)
    Is the fact that "calling in SWAT teams gets people killed" the fault of the prankster, or the SWAT teams?

    The "prankster", or better named, CRIMINAL.

    Getting the police to knock down the door to someone's house and put the entire household at risk is not a "prank". It is deliberate and malicious assault, as much as if the criminal himself had broken down the door and held the residents at gun-point. The criminal knows very well what the police response to his fictitious call will be, the results are extremely predictable.

    I believe you might want to look up the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule [wikipedia.org]. It makes anyone who participates in a felony (assault with a deadly weapon, e.g.) guilty if any one of the participants kills someone.

    could they simply be trigger-happy gun owners?

    If someone is breaking into your house unannounced while your family is asleep, it is not being 'trigger happy' to defend them. It is a life-and-death situation, not taken lightly, and not something people go looking for. It is insulting and ludicrous, even in a "devil's advocate" context, to label such people that way.

    Granted that many gun-owners are responsible and informed, but are they all?

    Your question is moot. It is not the fault of the gun owner in any way, shape, or form, that the SWAT team is breaking down his door. It is the fault of the criminal who made the fictitious call.

    I do not understand why this is a "unique challenge" to the justice system. He's blind. He's committed a criminal act. His action could have been the reason someone died. Put him on trial, and if he is found guilty, put him in prison. End of story.

  • Re:No kidding (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Saturday March 01, 2008 @04:12AM (#22608746) Homepage Journal
    Putting a child in jail doesn't make them "start thinking more like an adult", unless you mean "an adult criminal".

    The reason we don't put kids in jail for crimes we put adults in jail for is that there are more effective ways to deal with a kid criminal that have better results than jail. Kids are different from adults: they can usually still learn and set their lives right in ways that adults usually cannot. It's not out of some bleeding heart "mercy" or cowardice of treating a kid as bad as we'd treat an adult. It's because usually adults cannot really change the way that kids usually can.

    If anything, we need to look harder at how adults can change as readily as children can, before just condemning them to jail that usually makes them worse. And yes, we should look at kids convicted of crimes to see whether they're as hopelessly unchangeable as most adults, before letting them off the jail hook. But only because that's what's actually the best (or least bad) option in either case.

    The mentor can go right to jail, if they had reason to expect the kid would do what the mentor told them to do. And if there's no other way to get them straightened out.

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