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Comcast Offers 50 Mbps Residential Speeds 332

An anonymous reader notes that Comcast is offering a new 50-Mbps / 6-Mbps package for residential customers for $150, starting in Minneapolis-St. Paul and extending nationwide by mid-2010. The new service will use the DOCSIS 3.0 standard, which is nearing ratification. We've recently discussed Comcast's BitTorrent throttling and promise to quit it, and their low-quality 'HD' programming. How attractive will $150 for 50 Mbps be compared to Verizon's FiOS offerings?
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Comcast Offers 50 Mbps Residential Speeds

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  • caps? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Neil Watson ( 60859 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @10:50AM (#22951374) Homepage
    And the monthly GB limits are?
  • by thanatos_x ( 1086171 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @11:01AM (#22951522)

    That's going against the general notion of the packet switching, and quite difficult/expensive for the company to do (especially from an advertising standpoint.)

    Perhaps a good compromise would be disclosing the total bandwidth available for a given street/town/etc and the number of users. Also average speeds during peak hours would be useful, or in general an explicit policy on bandwidth usage- you get X gb /time period, or you get X gb /month at 50 Mbps before you get moved down to lower priority (bandwidth is capped unless there is low usage.)
  • Can I run a server? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jc42 ( 318812 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @11:11AM (#22951628) Homepage Journal
    Among my questions about Internet service is whether I'm permitted to run my own servers. I have a site (with several domain names) on which I provide net space for a small collection of friends and relatives. Nothing terribly commercial, except marginally for a couple of local bands. But keeping such things on a personal machine can be a good idea. That way you don't run afoul of the ISPs' penchant for claiming ownership of any files that you put on the "hosted" web site that they so conveniently provide for you. This is especially important for the bands, who would be rather upset if they found out that their ISP had claimed their MP3s and was selling them or using them in ads.

    Right now, I have a DSL account through speakeasy, whose TOS promise that I can do all of this, and they won't take it away from me. The other ISPs hereabouts either flatly forbid home servers or "reserve the right" to change their permissions without notice. And they won't sell commercial service to a "home" customer. So FIOS et al would eliminate such family-and-friends services, as well as risking my friends' bands' control of their own recordings.

    Anyone know of general solutions to this sort of problem? Not just for me, but for all the other geeks either doing or thinking of something similar? Is there a way we can put our own stuff online, and guarantee that the ISP can't take it away from us and use it for their own commercial purposes?

  • Re:WoW (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) <akaimbatman AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday April 03, 2008 @11:11AM (#22951646) Homepage Journal
    One of the most amusing quotes from the article:

    "A decade ago we couldn't even conceive of ... YouTube," Google Inc.'s video-sharing service, said Greg Butz, Comcast's vice president for marketing and product development.

    Oh my goodness! Not YouTube! Never mind services like iTunes, Amazon Unboxed, and XBox Movies which provide legal, multi-GB movie files that will happily chew through your bandwidth cap in no time flat. The real concern at hand is... YouTube.

    Executives always have a way of cracking me up. :-)
  • DOCSIS 3.0 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Schraegstrichpunkt ( 931443 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @11:20AM (#22951780) Homepage

    The new service will use the DOCSIS 3.0 standard, which is nearing ratification.

    So does that mean they'll be providing IPv6 connectivity?

  • by PC and Sony Fanboy ( 1248258 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @11:31AM (#22951906) Journal
    You can already get this level of speed almost anywhere in quebec (canada) for about $100/month. It doesn't seem to go this fast unless you're doing something p2p... but if comcast throttles p2p - what is the point?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 03, 2008 @12:09PM (#22952422)
    As a mandatory part of FIOS installation, Verizon will remove all copper going into your premises. Your phone will henceforth only be as reliable as the electronics in that box on the side of your house where the fiber meets your internal copper (and that box is relatively exposed to the elements, and probably more fragile than the passive junction box used in a POTS demarc).

    Also, there's a battery in there which I'm guessing is undermaintained, so in a few years your phone will only be as reliable as the power grid.

    POTS is a modern engineering marvel. Its feature set sucks, but *nothing* matches its reliability. I'm not ready to give that up yet.
  • by Nihonkairitai ( 1267088 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @12:31PM (#22952686)
    Zzzz. So by 2010 America expects to get service that Japan had in 2003?! Not to mention Korea. Yawn. In 2004 Japan introduced 100mb connections. I loved and still miss my 24mb connection which to this day, here in California, I still can't get. We think we're #1! We think we're #1!
  • by Mikachu ( 972457 ) <burke...jeremiahj@@@gmail...com> on Thursday April 03, 2008 @01:26PM (#22953424) Homepage
    Well, if you think about it, that's essentially what bittorrent does -- and in response, they began to throttle it.
  • Re:WoW (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jollyreaper ( 513215 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @01:34PM (#22953562)

    One of the most amusing quotes from the article:

            "A decade ago we couldn't even conceive of ... YouTube," Google Inc.'s video-sharing service, said Greg Butz, Comcast's vice president for marketing and product development.

    Oh my goodness! Not YouTube! Never mind services like iTunes, Amazon Unboxed, and XBox Movies which provide legal, multi-GB movie files that will happily chew through your bandwidth cap in no time flat. The real concern at hand is... YouTube.
    No, people had those ideas way back when. Here's what they got wrong:

    1) broadband penetration in the US, practically nil in 1998
    2) time it would take for broadband to spread
    3) give-it-away business model, nobody could have imagined a youtube would break even

    Most of the thinking back then was still very conventional, basically a direct translation of subscription cable channels to the web. DEN came about around then, burned brightly and flamed out. These guys were making their own content the way HBO creates original series and movies rather than only reairing Hollywood crap.

    The biggest strikes against streaming content back then were:
    1) crappy picture quality
    2) nobody wants to watch a movie sitting at their desk

    The dumbest analysts were those who did not see those factors changing. The problem the early movers had is they entered the market too soon and burned out before they could start making money.

    Right now, my greatest concern is that the big-money players are still trying to set themselves up as brokers for access to the Internet. In the old days, not everyone could afford a TV transmitter and licensing fees, not everyone could put together a cable channel. There were solid technical limitations that played to big media's favor. Today, Joe Blow can put together a comedy bit and have it race around the world faster than Jay Leno. I can view anything I want from any source with my PC and could do so from my X-Box if Microsoft wasn't such a dick about locking things down, necessitating hacks like Tversity. These are just artificial barriers to entry.

    Beyond that, it's still expensive to put a show together. Stupid animal tricks is one thing, a proper show to compete with what the networks can do burns money. We've yet to see an independent production company get a show off the ground and make money solely off of Internet distribution. There have been some indie movies that have had a measure of Internet success but nothing that's been a break-out success. Of course, one could argue that beak-out successes like Seinfeld, Friends, Lost, American Idle, etc, are created by the hype and coverage given by mainstream media, creating a promotional feedback loop. If an internet phenomenon show cannot be bought out by a network, it will receive no coverage because that's just free advertising.
  • Speed test suite? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Brit_in_the_USA ( 936704 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @01:41PM (#22953688)
    WE have all used those interactive web site to test our http speed but does anything more sophisticated + easy exist to check other popular protocols?

    I'd love to see some easy to use client / server solution that would do a batch of tests; HTTP, HTTP for >10 seconds, FTP, bit torrent and report back if any are throttled. Perhaps the information could be anonymized and stored in a data base to allow even more stats to be generated such as if there is throttling based on time of day, problems with busy periods of the day, problems with certain localities.

    At the very least, some laywers interested in some class action money could invest in providing this service.
  • Re:WoW (Score:2, Interesting)

    by AliasMarlowe ( 1042386 ) on Thursday April 03, 2008 @02:01PM (#22954016) Journal
    $150 is about euro100. For 50/6 Mbps in an urban area, where there is a potential customer for every 20-30 meters of fiber, that must include a bloated profit margin!

    In my rural area, FTTH 100/10 Mbps costs euro75 per month, and that includes basic TV over IP. It also has no throttling or monthly quotas. The local ISP considers this attractive enough to lay a couple of kilometers of fiber to reach a handful of widely separated houses.

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