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Comments: 281 +-   Microsoft "Albany" Offers Office and Security as Subscription on Friday April 18 2008, @03:00PM

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Friday April 18 2008, @03:00PM
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News.com is reporting that Microsoft has confirmed a subscription service is in the works for the next consumer version of their Office Suite. "Code-named Albany, the product has a single installer that puts Office Home and Student, OneCare, as well as a host of Windows Live services, onto a user's PC. As long as users keep paying for the subscription, they are entitled to the latest versions of the products. Once they stop paying, they lose the right to use any version."
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  • by 26199 (577806) * on Friday April 18 2008, @03:01PM (#23121840) Homepage

    Once they stop paying, they lose the right to use any version.

    So, an office suite linked to a security product and you lose both if you stop paying ... does this sound at all unpalatable to anyone else?

    (Apparently; currently the survey on the page says 41% prefer the traditional way of buying Office, 38.5% would rather not buy it at all, and 20.5% think it sounds better).

    I suppose the deciding factor is the price -- value for money. And as we know Microsoft has never failed to deliver on that one...

    • by thewils (463314) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:03PM (#23121860) Journal
      Don't worry, it'll be cracked in the first day or so.
    • by trolltalk.com (1108067) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:04PM (#23121878) Homepage Journal

      Up here, it's illegal to make it impossible for a person to access their own data. Therefore, while they are allowed to prevent you from making new documents, spreadsheets, etc., they cannot disable the "read-only" features of the software.

      • by 26199 (577806) * on Friday April 18 2008, @03:05PM (#23121896) Homepage
        But as long as you save in OOXML you can always read your data ... it's an ISO standard!
      • by ergo98 (9391) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:12PM (#23121996) Homepage Journal

        Up here, it's illegal to make it impossible for a person to access their own data.

        I highly doubt this has any applicability to a subscription version of Office. When the subscription runs out, it doesn't suddenly encrypt all of your files. You are still free to bring those files to any of millions of capable machines, any print shop in the world, or use the long existing free "Viewer" versions.
        • by mpapet (761907) on Friday April 18 2008, @04:19PM (#23122862) Homepage
          free to bring those files ... or use the long existing free "Viewer" versions

          But, not edit them or otherwise legitimately salvage your data.

          It's easy to brush the idea that Microsoft holds your data hostage. Just don't think beyond your current PC. It doesn't bother you, but some of us WANT to open our children's mishmash of pictures and letters when we are old and gray.

          This is the classic strategy where dumb money thinks it's wise to pay month-to-month.

          I forsee upgrade problems that require extra support that one must pay for among a whole slew of gotchas.
        • by penguin_dance (536599) on Friday April 18 2008, @04:31PM (#23122976)
          But hold on...who says they're going to MAKE any viewers for the new version of Office. There's no guarantee that older viewers will work. What you'd be better off doing is saving your documents to where they will work on older versions of Office.

          Then of course, there's just telling M$ to stick it and continue to use the current version of Office or switch to Open Office. I don't think most users will want or need anything beyond what is available now. I used to teach classes in Office--very few ever use the advanced features. I feel like MS took too long to get something like this out. It's almost like taking a step back to the mainframe days when programs were routinely put out as a subscription coupled with a help/service plan.

          What will be interesting is when Open Office can read/write "Albany" documents. Will MS file a lawsuit?
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        I'd hope that law is really clear about what "access" to the data is. Because Microsoft ships free "viewers" that allow you to read the data, at which point you could copy and paste it to something else. Not sure if that meets the legal terms in that law, but it sure might. I'd prefer that "access" meant you could read and write, but since copy/paste/write would "work" it may be all that is required.
        • QFT (Score:5, Informative)

          by Weaselmancer (533834) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:30PM (#23122242)

          you can renew your subscription or even use any of a number of free solutions (OpenOffice)

          This bears repeating.

        • by Chris Mattern (191822) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:36PM (#23122332)

          How does this work for other subscription services like World of Warcraft? Technically, your character, etc, is your data, though by the EULA Blizzard claims that all data is theirs, so perhaps that's how they get around it,


          Correct, that is how they get around it.

          and Microsoft could just do the same.


          Um, no. Technically, Microsoft could try this gambit; I'm not sure whether, legally, it would work or not. But practically, it'd be a death sentence on Office. Rights to Eleroth the Night Elf is one thing. Rights to your personal correspondence, to the data that your business needs to run, to your personal data, that's another. If Microsoft announced that they owned all the data created by subscription Office, nobody would buy it. Ever.
            • Most major corporate/government users would simply not abide anything other than complete and total ownership of their documents. Imagine a law firm with privileged attorney-client communications, or something like JPL with research data. Any version of Office that even thought to claim any sort of ownership rights over documents produced would indeed be a more or less immediate and outright death sentence for the product. It would instantly be consigned to the fringe uses where privacy doesn't really matter, meaning basically nothing in the corporate or government world.
    • by CowboyNealOption (1262194) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:17PM (#23122070) Journal
      I must admit I appreciate Microsoft making it even easier for me to sell the higher-ups on the advantages of using OpenOffice.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        There is a certain amount of historical evidence [slashdot.org] on the "value for money" issue :)
      • by peragrin (659227) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:27PM (#23122194)
        You save all your files in what ever form and end your subscription. Now you can't open your files and you don't have an office suite.

        renting software always fails. It has no purpose and MSFT is going to charge some obscene amount so that a year of renting you can buy a full version.

        Personally for me it doesn't matter. My documents are in ODF, and I can use any numerous applications to open the data, from Open Office, to abi word, to google docs. I can get 100% portable versions of those to stick on a thumb drive, and OS agnostic.

        It doesn't matter where I am I can get MY data. Can you do the same with MSFT rentals?
      • "if you're playing games" -- point conceded

        Otherwise, I honestly find that Ubuntu is a much better value. Besides being free it comes with a huge range of applications (free) that I use. In fact, I find it has a lot more features than Windows.

        I'm not completely anti-Microsoft and do think Windows is the right decision for some people -- and gamers go without saying. However, my experience is much the opposite of yours. My Ubuntu desktop is much more capable and pleasant than Vista or XP.
  • by imamac (1083405) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:06PM (#23121898) Homepage
    This is Microsoft's way of demonstrating once and for all that you don't "own" the software you purchase. I hope this doesn't catch on and become the primary distribution model. If we don't own the software we purchase then the manufacturer does not have to guarantee any proper functionality.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      If we don't own the software we purchase then the manufacturer does not have to guarantee any proper functionality.
      Have you read the EULA? If it wasn't for consumer protection laws (and basic fraud) you'd have no guarantee that it has any functionality at all, nor is Microsoft liable in case the software eats your data and bricks your machine.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      On the contrary, I hope it becomes the primary MS distribution model.

      People currently don't perceive the cost of MS software as it is included in the cost of the computer.

      If this becomes the primary distribution model, cheaper (and free) alternatives will be perceived all the more interesting.

      Isn't the one-time purchase cost what made MS popular in the first place (against mainframe subscription model) ?
        • by spisska (796395) on Friday April 18 2008, @07:34PM (#23124374)

          But in the large business market this may well succeed. Businesses are accustomed to budgeting and depreciation and all sorts of accounting practices that people don't have to do at home.

          Businesses assume that it costs X dollars a month for a computer, and as long as the subscription costs fits in nicely with whatever cycle they buy upgrades on, they won't mind the rent/buy dichotomy.

          Maybe. It's certainly true that business operate on a much different and much more complex accounting and budgeting framework than households, and maybe monthly/yearly payments for software better fit into the whole budgeting/life-cycle/depreciation system. But I rather suspect not.

          Businesses are much more concerned with reliability than with novelty. Businesses are also very concerned about having control over where, when, and on what their money is spent. A CIO may buy something like MS Office figuring on a three-year lifecycle, but then realize that there's nothing to be gained by upgrading. Thus running the software longer than the three-year term originally planned represents a savings, and money in the budget for other things.

          If this were not the case, most businesses would be running MS Vista and MS Office 2007. In fact very few are, and a significant number of businesses still have a significant number of MS Windows 2000 machines running.

          The fact is that a word processor/spreadsheet package is much more like a typewriter than like a telephone line. It's a product that you buy and create documents with, not a service that needs the constant attention and maintenance like a phone network with a huge company behind it. And no business would welcome the possibility of being held hostage by one of their vendors. It's becoming increasingly clear that while applications may be proprietary, there is no reason for data formats to be. It's worth paying for a product for the features it delivers, but not worth the liability if what you create is worthless outside of the application.

          I tend to think instead that this move by MS is fairly insignificant play in what is becoming a very significant battle that will determine the future of the company. They're being forced to shift the whole direction of the firm into an area where they have never had any success, and in which there are already very formidable players.

          This isn't about software subscriptions, it's about hosted services. MS has seen the future and doesn't like what it sees -- systems, applications, databases, communications, etc all living on the network and available anywhere there is a connection (and in many cases where there is not), regardless of platform.

          I work in a middling consultancy that is almost exclusively an MS shop, and I've already seen folks at my firm excited about the Salesforce/Google Apps pairing. We recently migrated our CRM system to Salesforce and the consultants we have on the road are very interested in the ability to review and edit contracts and proposals on the fly, from their Blackberries. They also really like the idea of how chat/mail/calendars can be integrated into particular account records without the clumsiness endemic to Outlook.

          We've only just begun looking into an official use of the Google Apps, but there is much interest. I certainly think we'll be moving in this direction well before we start planning a Vista rollout, or even an Office 2007 rollout. And I don't believe that we are in a unique position.

          MS is terrified of this because their entire existence depends upon the platform -- primarily Windows but also MS Office and the supporting systems that businesses require, like Exchange and MS SQL. Salesforce plus Google Apps chips away at the need for an MS platform, and certainly is a direct attack on the whole one-user/one-system model that MS has always used. I can get to my Saleforce account, company mail, company calendar, company documents, etc. from anywhere, on anyone's system.

          Basically, if

  • Fantastic (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tibor the Hun (143056) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:06PM (#23121900)
    Let me see, I need to type my college papers, christmas letters, and an occasional sales poster. Let's see the benefits of the magnificent MS Office Live RX over the OpenOffice, or Symphony...
    Stupidass Microsoft... (And stupidass people paying for that crap...)
  • by NorbrookC (674063) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:06PM (#23121912) Journal

    the state capital of NY, it'll cost a lot of money, spend years trying to accomplish anything, and work only part of the year.

  • by Marc Desrochers (606563) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:08PM (#23121948)
    Perfectly timed, just after OOXML is approved, wouldn't you say?
  • Not Unreasonable (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cheesethegreat (132893) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:10PM (#23121974)
    Actually, let's just think about this for a second.

    You currently pay $300 for the standard Microsoft Office 2007.

    If all they're doing is spreading out the payment over 3-4 years, with a small premium thrown in, that's not such a bad deal. I'd happily pay a $25-50 premium on software like Office in order to receive constant updates. So if what they want is $115 annually instead of 300 at once, that's fine by me. These products don't usually have more than a 3-4 year life-cycle anyway, and this way instead of being stuck with a single version, you get something which improves over time.

    Obviously, the question of how they implement it, what they charge, and how good the "free upgrades" really are will determine uptake of this product. But if you take off your microsoft-bashing hat for a second, this isn't as stupid as it looks.
    • by pembo13 (770295) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:12PM (#23121992) Homepage

      You currently pay $300 for the standard Microsoft Office 2007.

      No I don't. Maybe if it has something that I need I would, but it doesn't so I don't.

      • Agreed. OpenOffice does everything I need and no one even knows I'm not doing my work with MS Office. My docs look great and my spreadsheets do everything I need. I don't do many presentations ala PowerPoint, but I could do it with OpenOffice if I needed to.

        I actually understand why people stick with Windows more than I do Office. To most people Windows appears to come "free" with their computer. Office is always extra. OpenOffice is free, powerful and just as easy to use. Why pay for something when you can get the same feel and functionality for free?
    • by corsec67 (627446) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:17PM (#23122064) Homepage Journal
      What about when your files become incompatible with the latest version?

      If you have your file spread across 3 versions of office with minor to serious incompatabilities, how do you use your old files?
    • re:"These products don't usually have more than a 3-4 year life-cycle anyway"

      That's cuz MS *HAD* to release updates to get more $
      With this, they get $ regardless of what they add in.

      At the start, they will add really useful stuff that you can only get in "Albany".
      Once enough idiots bite, they'll stop improving things, fire half their programmers and hire lawyers.
      Why?
      -To sue people trying to cancel their Albany subscription.
      -To sue OpenOffice for implementing their patented, ISO standard file format.
  • by NeverVotedBush (1041088) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:11PM (#23121988)
    Funny thing, too - it's totally free, I can download and use a copy locally, and I can use it on as many computers as I want to.

    My security is also free, is updated regularly, and is pretty secure the way I have it configured. BTW, it's Linux.

    Microsoft? Naahhhh...
  • by Thyamine (531612) <thyamine&ofdragons,com> on Friday April 18 2008, @03:12PM (#23122002) Homepage Journal
    I can't think I'm the only one getting tired of the subscription model for everything. I remember thinking at one point that I'm going to need to start figuring out what I can afford to have and not, simply because everything seems to be moving in that direction.

    Cable, phone, utilities all seems standard to us at this point, but now we have music subscriptions (stop paying, lose your music), radio subscriptions (love that satellite radio), game subscriptions (WoW addicts unite), and now more and more software subscriptions (I'm sorry, licensing).

    I can perhaps forgive it for something like antivirus software where you are constantly downloading updates (glad my Mac doesn't need that yet), but Office? When do they slip Windows into that model? Would you like to boot today? Your subscription has expired, please enter a valid credit card.
  • by matt4077 (581118) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:13PM (#23122010) Homepage
    ...the balkanization of software.
  • by theolein (316044) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:16PM (#23122054) Journal
    Given the wildly unsuccessful way that people took to subscription music services, I can see this being as successful as, say, the Zune.
  • by jd142 (129673) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:17PM (#23122072) Homepage
    Too bad this isn't like a software maintenance plan. In those cases, you at least own whatever the current version is if you stop paying the licensing.
  • so in other words (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ILuvRamen (1026668) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:19PM (#23122096)
    I don't even have to read the details to bet that you need an internet connection open every single time you open Office so it can contact the licensing server. If the time limit was kept locally, that'd be too hackable. So what about laptops? I guess you can't open your word documents if there's no wifi in your hotel. That'll go over great. Btw this whole process is about 10x more hackable than what they use now.
  • I have a legitimate fully paid for version of MS Office 2003 that absolutely will NOT install a single MS Update, ever. And it hasn't for more than a year. I suspect this is a stealth version of something like that where MS determines who gets what and when.

    I'm not thrilled with the snappiness of the performance of Open Office but clearly this is the way I will go the next time around.

    Other than XP, MS Office and some tools related to scanner and digitizer tablet hardware (which is essentially free once you buy the hardware), I have cost free software on all my machines.

    Freespire (Ubuntu) here I come!
  • by Iphtashu Fitz (263795) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:22PM (#23122140)
    I've already pretty much decided to never use Windows again once I can no longer run XP on the two systems I have it installed on at home. I use a Mac at work to manage a number of linux & solaris systems. Nobody in my department uses Windows. I also know more family members & friends who are perfectly happy with Windows XP and have no desire whatsoever to upgrade to Vista. They're also perfectly happy with the versions of Office, etc. that they currently have. If MS really tries to force people to switch to a rental model for their software I can only see it alienating more of their customers and convincing them to look to Macs & linux systems a a cost-effective replacement.
  • More agile perhaps? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Com2Kid (142006) <com2kidSPAMLESS@gmail.com> on Friday April 18 2008, @03:27PM (#23122196) Homepage Journal
    One of the underlying goals of Agile software is to get away from the "big number release" type of mentality that leads to unhealthy software development practices (why worry about memory consumption when the product isn't go to ship for another 2 years? ...) and instead move developers into a mindset that their software should almost constantly be of ship quality.

    Agile development also allows the quality of the software to be under constant incremental improvement. But this has a downside as well: it becomes very hard to pick a point in time to stop releasing patches and instead tell customers "now you have to buy a new version", especially since the next version that the company releases is "just" another incremental improvement over the previous release.

    So basically agile development practices can spell death for the "Shiny New Version" business model, and thus an alternative revenue stream needs to be found.

    Agile software allows developers to consistently and continuously release incrementally improved versions of an application. It therefore makes sense for companies to continuously pay incremental amounts for use of that software.

    Selling the concept of "it will get better over time" to who ever is making business purchasing decisions may not be easy, but in the end, if some sales person can pull it off, it will be to everyone's benefit.

    Customers will be able to have a more direct and immediate interaction with software companies, and software companies will be able to practice the software development methodologies that they KNOW they should be practicing.

    Note in my defense:
    Some people may take offense that agile software means no more big new versions, but I'd argue that it feels intuitively 'wrong' to fix a software bug that is annoying many users, but is too low priority to make the cut for a service pack, and then sit around knowing that users will not get to see this trivial fix for years, just because of the common business model that is used to sell big box software.

    Disclaimer: I'm a Microsoft employee (been on /. a lot longer than @ MS!), everything I say is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinions of Microsoft.

    (Besides, I've been here under a year and I work in mobile compilers!)
  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:28PM (#23122214) Journal
    I think the connection to Onecare is an interesting touch. Microsoft, among other "enterprise" software types, has had fair success getting corporate customers paying for subscription or quasi-subscription products for a while now(Software Assurance, anything with a mandatory support contract, some site-licence flavors, etc.); but the idea rubs individual users badly. Even if the economics are actually favorable, software with a self-destruct system just doesn't feel right. People like owning stuff.

    Antivirus, though, is the closest thing to an exception(well, that and MMORPGs). People are neither happy nor efficient about it; but they often do end up paying for their subscription.

    Connecting a product whose subscription feels "natural"(virus signatures are a service, and are pay per unit time) with a product whose subscription feels "artificial"(Office suites can be priced as services; but nothing about them makes them so) is an interesting tactic. I wonder if it will work.

    Microsoft has wanted subscription software for years, so this isn't too surprising; but it may well have gained urgency from the push toward really, really cheap computers. Full upfront software cost is a hard sell on cheap hardware; but you might be able to make it palatable by stretching it into a subscription(plus, there will finally be a way to exterminate those pesky Office 97 users!).

    The idea makes me a bit nervous, though, because it points to a model of computer use very, very similar to today's cellphone model. Cheap hardware, low upfront cost; but continual, tightly controlled, nickel and diming throughout the life of the product. Unfortunately, for all the progress they have achieved, cellphones are a really miserable lesson in why the openness of the PC world is so vital.
  • by alexborges (313924) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:29PM (#23122234)
    You have to like getting fucked by a monopoly to BUY any kind of microsoft product.

    You have to be incredebly stupid, and still a total masochist, to even think about RENTING it.

    Jeesus, please save us from all this ignorance.
  • Once Albany populates the search engine indexes, it is going to be really fun looking for things locally!

    "Albany window repair"
    "Microsoft Albany repair corrupt files <technet.microsoft.com>"

    "Hot dogs in Albany"
    "Albany is about as useful as a hot dog dropped on the floor <technet.microsoft.com>"

    "Used Cars in Albany"
    "Microsoft Chairman Gates is now selling used cars after the failure of Microsoft Albany <slashdot.org>"

    • by Reality Master 201 (578873) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:05PM (#23121882) Journal
      We'll charge nothing at all for linux and open office, and you're entitled to all upgrades for free.

      • by johannesg (664142) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:40PM (#23122374)
        You got it all wrong. You do it by charging a HIGHER price for a comparable Linux / OpenOffice based package.

        Pricing it higher will create the impression that this is a more worthwhile package (and vice versa: a lower-priced package will be less worthwhile). And it creates income that can be used to further build up the open source industry.

    • I think Linux will compete by snagging more disgruntled ex-Microsoft users.

      Microsoft has really screwed up and doesn't seem to know where to go or what to do now that Vista crashed and burned. It will be hard for them to overcome the bad rap they earned on that one.

      And Linux being free means that anyone that wants to try it out just needs to download it or copy CDs from someone else. They can try it whenever they want and if they like it, they keep right on using it.

      Microsoft's days are numbered. P
    • I stopped reading at the part where you talked about their suppository continuing to inch upwards. I don't care how great a piece of software is, but that is a definite no-go. Ouch.
    • Re:What Happened? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Mongoose Disciple (722373) on Friday April 18 2008, @03:32PM (#23122278)
      According to TFA, this is an option they're offering and doesn't replace selling Office as they currently do.

      From that perspective, I don't see this as out of touch with their customers. I'm sure a majority of the people who buy Office won't want this Albany thing, but I'll bet some do and those customers will be served better.

      Large corporations I can especially see going for this. You budget for it and forget about it. It's how they tend to roll.
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