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India Third to Appeal ISO's OOXML Approval 99

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "India is now the third country to appeal the ISO's approval of OOXML, with their appeal arriving just before the deadline last night. According to PC World, this makes OOXML the first BRM process under ISO/JTC 1 to be appealed, which leaves us in uncharted territory. Although there was substantial confusion in the comments on yesterday's story, Brazil is really appealing, not merely disapproving, of OOXML, having sent a letter that begins with 'The Associação Brasileira de Normas Técnicas (ABNT), as a P member of ISO/IEC/JTC1/SC34, would like to present, to ISO/IEC/JTC1 and ISO/IEC/JTC1/SC34, this appeal for reconsideration of the ISO/IEC DIS 29500 final result.' Groklaw speculates that this may have something to do with Microsoft hedging their bets by supporting ODF 1.1 in Office 2007, though we probably won't see any more countries appeal now that the deadline has passed."
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India Third to Appeal ISO's OOXML Approval

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  • by Miseph ( 979059 ) on Friday May 30, 2008 @07:11PM (#23605669) Journal
    Uh, actually, I'm sure they're thinking plenty hard about playing nice, and seeing as there is a competitor (OO is taking away some of their customers, even if only the ones who don't care about spread sheets going beyond 256 columns, and since it keeps getting markedly better where Office keeps getting markedly more irritating...) have decided that is a risk they simply cannot afford to take.

    You must have been asleep for the past 2 decades, because otherwise you'd know by now that Microsoft's version of "playing nice" is creating a de facto standard that they alone control then avoiding making any changes 9even positive ones) to it so long as nobody else is in the game.
  • by underpants_gnome ( 1226602 ) on Friday May 30, 2008 @07:24PM (#23605763)
    Second and third world countries that represent a huge market.

    Brazil for example, is in the top 10 countries by both Internet Users and Time Spent Online, usually in the 2 top spots in the latter. Ok, most of this time is spent by teenagers in useless thing like Orkut and MSN, but whatever.

    The important thing in this is: information can and WILL spread like a wildfire. And be sure that many people will embrace it.

    If these "not-real" countries continue their "line of thinking", in the near future we could have more than 1 billion people that reject anything that comes from MS.

    It wouldn't be wise to ignore THAT.
  • by ZarathustraDK ( 1291688 ) on Friday May 30, 2008 @07:32PM (#23605825)

    You will probably find that in the end that no weight is given to these appeals because they all come from second and third world countries.

    Yet the new technological meccas Azerbaijan and C'ote D'ivoire gets taken seriously when voting in favor of OOXML?

    Something sure smells fishy.
  • Not about OOo (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) <enderandrew&gmail,com> on Friday May 30, 2008 @07:36PM (#23605849) Homepage Journal
    This isn't about OOo versus MS Office. I don't mind paying for software. I just want to make sure that when I save a file, people can open it and read it, especially me a few years down the road. Microsoft's closed, proprietary formats keep changing (forcing unnecessary upgrades) and they drop support for old formats after a while.

    I'm just some bum writer who wants to open my old files, but what about actual important documents? Right now PDF sadly is about the only way to go and feel safe the document can be read down the road.

    If you're not happy with OOo's Calc, that is irrelevant to this discussion. Microsoft is going to provide support for ODF, and honestly that is enough to make me happy. I just wish they were supporting 1.2 right off the bat, instead of starting with 1.1.
  • by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) <enderandrew&gmail,com> on Friday May 30, 2008 @07:38PM (#23605869) Homepage Journal
    Microsoft sells student copies of MS Office dirt cheap. I've seen a few schools install OOo side-by-side with MS Office, and some invididual users make the switch, but until major companies cancel mass volume licensing of MS Office, I don't see MS breaking a sweat.

    The fact that several large governments were talking about ditching MS Office (over open file standards) is what got MS to play ball. Now that they support ODF (and likely OOXML once they iron that out as well a bit) those government agencies are likely to stay with MS Office.
  • by Miseph ( 979059 ) on Friday May 30, 2008 @08:07PM (#23606143) Journal
    "until major companies cancel mass volume licensing of MS Office"

    Which will happen when *drumroll* enough individual users make the switch. I didn't say that OO was beating MS Office or even universally better than it (although for my needs it actually is, which is why I have declined to install MS Office even when offered it for free-as-in-beer), just that it is becoming a credible threat for the relatively near future.

    The bottom line is that Firefox has demonstrated to Microsoft that FOSS can come out of nowhere to beat the crap out of their products, and now that one of their golden geese is being threatened they aren't about to take any chances. If they lose their Office monopoly, that's easily as bad to them as losing the Windows monopoly, not least because it directly threatens that one as well (why would corporate users want to pay money for Windows to run software that runs better and safer on any number of cheaper solutions?). It seems like they are realizing that they let OO continue and grow for far too long already, and they're actually concerned they might have to compete again, and on much worse terms with a far inferior track record than the last time around.
  • by moreati ( 119629 ) <alex@moreati.org.uk> on Friday May 30, 2008 @09:26PM (#23606619) Homepage

    Now that they support ODF

    A minor nitpick. MS have stated their intention to support ODF. Until they deliver it's dangerous to assume or to state as fact, that support. Alex.
  • I wish... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mathimus1863 ( 1120437 ) on Friday May 30, 2008 @10:22PM (#23606881)
    I'd love to believe this will make a difference, but I suspect the same bribing/stacking/manipulation MS used before will succeed again.
  • I'm confused... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by zkiwi34 ( 974563 ) on Saturday May 31, 2008 @01:43AM (#23607675)
    Since when is a promise to support ODF the same as actual support of ODF? As in "will" does not mean the same as "does." Maybe it's me, but the future isn't the present, and as they said in "The Terminator," the future is not set. I also remember well Microsoft promising to support Kerberos, and look how much fun that wasn't.
  • by howlingmadhowie ( 943150 ) on Saturday May 31, 2008 @02:27AM (#23607817)
    who modded this insightful?

    this isn't about openoffice.org, this is about people having access to their own information. This is about governments being able to read all the documents they are making now in the future. This is about unfettered, exact communication between countries.

    in short, this is remarkably important. I can't think of anything more important in communication than open standards.
  • by Fri13 ( 963421 ) on Saturday May 31, 2008 @02:45AM (#23607877)
    "OSS is often a dirty word."

    Then stop using "Open Source" and start using "Free Software" and do not mention that "Free" means "Free as speech" and not "Free as beer", when ever you talk with persons who are money-slaves. Let them think that they get software for free and they dont need to pay for it. Then let the lawyers to take care of GPL and other people to understand they are actually using OSS.

    Bosses and other persons who makes the decisions, dont need to know those, because they are so afraid that "Open Source" force them to publish their treasure. They are like pirates, you need to trick them. They are greedy, you need to give them to think they have control for everything.

    They will learn actually...
  • by jimicus ( 737525 ) on Saturday May 31, 2008 @04:45AM (#23608191)

    Bosses and other persons who makes the decisions, dont need to know those, because they are so afraid that "Open Source" force them to publish their treasure. They are like pirates, you need to trick them. They are greedy, you need to give them to think they have control for everything.
    They will then instead adopt the age-old idea that you don't get something for nothing.
  • by jimicus ( 737525 ) on Saturday May 31, 2008 @04:48AM (#23608205)

    A minor nitpick. MS have stated their intention to support ODF. Until they deliver it's dangerous to assume or to state as fact, that support. Alex.
    More to the point, Microsoft are famously good at corrupting standards. I wouldn't be too surprised to see ODF "support" that amounts to "will happily read and render sensibly anything produced by OO.o, will go out of its way to write ODF files that for whatever reason OO.o doesn't like".
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday May 31, 2008 @08:55AM (#23608919)
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