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Microsoft Offered $40 a Share For Yahoo 306

fistfullast33l writes "Bloomberg is reporting that a recently unsealed court case by shareholders against Yahoo reveals that Microsoft offered $40 a share for the Internet search company in January 2007 and Yahoo turned it down. We've extensively discussed Microsoft's bid for Yahoo earlier this year for $33 a share, which was rebuffed. Investor Carl Icahn has launched a proxy fight against Yahoo over the spurning of the Microsoft deal." CWmike notes Computerworld's coverage of the revelations: "The complaint places much of the blame on [Yahoo CEO Jerry] Yang, describing him as someone with a 'well-known' antipathy toward Microsoft who acted out of a personal interest to keep Yahoo independent. Something wrong with that? Oh, yeah... public company."
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Microsoft Offered $40 a Share For Yahoo

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  • by seanadams.com ( 463190 ) * on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @04:26PM (#23643219) Homepage
    Who hasn't already written off both of these companies? Anyone holding either of them for the long term simply does not grok where the internet and personal computing are going, or how desperately inept these two companies have become due to their size and age.

    Microsoft's asset is an OS that people are still locked into, but becoming violently sick of. Yahoo's asset is a rapidly diminishing brand and user base. Combine them and you just get an even faster and more epic fail. This is the next AOL/TW.

    The guys who will eat their lunch are the Googles and Apples of the world, who are both innovating and listening to their customers. Size alone won't help you compete with that, you need to get back to innovating. I think people are being way too slow to jump the sinking ship here - if I were a YHOO shareholder, I'd have dumped as soon as the offer hit the table and the stock hit $30. Why on earth would you hold out for $31?
  • Public companies (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Romancer ( 19668 ) <romancer AT deathsdoor DOT com> on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @04:33PM (#23643311) Journal
    Fair warning: Rant

    Public companies are now being run by the shareholders that take out payday loans, refinance their houses so much they owe money when they sell, cannot build traditional savings since all their income is treated as disposable. Basically the get rich generation with no long term goals other than their next big "fix".

    Why does it surprise anybody that the driving force behind these companies is to sell out no matter what the cost to the business, the employees, or even the customers?
  • Re:Public companies (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @04:37PM (#23643371)

    Why does it surprise anybody that the driving force behind these companies is to sell out no matter what the cost to the business, the employees, or even the customers?

    And to head off the stream of ignorance about to insist that public companies are legally required to maximize shareholder value, the US Supreme Court has rejected that interpertation. The purpose of a Board of Directors is to protect a company, which it is allowed to view as a collection of relationships between customers, employees, etc. The case that decided this precident was based around rejecting a higher offer to take one that better served the companies culture.

    Your company culture may be "profit maximizing," but don't pretend you can dictate to other companies.

  • by miffo.swe ( 547642 ) <daniel@hedblom.gmail@com> on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @04:52PM (#23643595) Homepage Journal
    I dont think anybody is stupid enough to think that Yahoo would last that long after a Microsoft takeover. As soon as the assets (its users) was migrated to Windows Live or whatever brand is up for the day it would have been dismantled and chopped up to pieces. The only thing Microsoft wanted was a quick way to get some users to its online services since they cannot get anyone to come by themselves.

    Its far better from Yahoos point to get together with Google in the long run. A good partnership could generate new revenues that they themselves cant get alone. For example they together have enough of the online sphere to use as a lever in phones, smartphones and UMPC's and get a real firm foothold in those.

    Killing a company is not in any way in the shareholders best interest. The only interest it serves is those who dont hold them but merely buys and sells them on a daily basis. If companies should take that as their prime interest all a company needs to do is to fire all the staff and sell out all the assets to be successful. It would make China very happy but it wouldnt be fun to be an american for very long.
  • by swordgeek ( 112599 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @04:53PM (#23643611) Journal
    I hope everyone realises that Carl Icahn isn't a long-term shareholder upset with how the company is being run. He thought he could run it better when Jerry Yang rebuffed MS, and AS A RESULT, bought a significant number of shares. In other words, he bought into the company for the sole purpose of getting Yang tossed out.

    In the world of billionaires, not always the most friendly of folks, Icahn is about as pleasant as a rabid shark with PMS. If he gets his way, he'll install a new board, sell Yahoo to MS at $40, help gut the company, and then leave with a few more dollars in his pockets. Yahoo staff will be out of work, the search engine market will become a battle of two titans, and basically everyone will lose except for Carl and his board.
  • by AndersOSU ( 873247 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:05PM (#23643773)
    Oh, and I should add is now stuck with a measly $1,307,500,000 worth of yahoo shares.
  • by Shivetya ( 243324 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:19PM (#23643923) Homepage Journal
    Honestly I don't see people getting sick of Windows, there is no alternative on low end machines that people will flock to because there is no software for them. It is human nature to complain and the biggest target is Microsoft. I use Windows and OS X at home. I am strictly restricted to XP or NT at work on PCs. It doesn't get in my way, it doesn't do anything wrong. If anything the same problem I have with OS X I have with Windows; OS X handles it better; and that is bad software. Hell even my iMac wasn't immune to bad video drivers.

    Of course the real monster is Office. I know Mac fans who did not move to Intel versions until Office was native. It is more important long term than the OS under it is.

    Apple to me seems to be moving away from the desktop trying to redirect us to the living room; one place I refuse to allow a PC to enter (apple or ms or linux)

    I know its accepted to ridicule Ms and speak of imminent doom and gloom but its been the same for ages here. I remember day one here for me and it was always Microsoft is going to die. There are just too many smart people there to write them off.

    Now Yahoo, yuck. I can't even stand going to their clutter of a page. If anything they probably are the loser here, they need someone to use them because the public isn't
  • by WebCowboy ( 196209 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:34PM (#23644115)

    Yeah. That will have been worth it, when in 2010, Yahoo! shareholders realise their $11.00 per share.
    It all depends on your perspective. Yes, it WILL be worth it for Yahoo EMPLOYEES and USERS. On the other hand, Yahoo SHAREHOLDERS are understandably unhappy. Yahoo shareholders that are angry are upset because they wanted a way to jump ship and make a boatload of money...pure greed. A buyout would hurt Yahoo employss, Yahoo users and the industry as a whole. It would make the AOL/TW and Daimler/Chrysler mergers look like a raging success.

    If it came as a surprise to anyone that Yahoo's founders and high-level managers have an antipathy towards MSFT then they must've been living in a cave, or are total morons. From Yahoo's inception there has been little love for MSFT--if they ever cooperated it was grudgingly, in their own self interest. There is a cultural gap bigger than the Grand Canyon there.

    It doesn't help that there is a giant impedance mismatch when it comes to technology and infrastructure. A Netcraft search is telling: Yahoo is almost universally FreeBSD, and what is left is Linux. Yahoo has ZERO Microsoft in their data centres. MSFT, of course, is almost universally Windows Server.

    Remember what happened to Hotmail when MSFT bought it? They ripped out all the FreeBSD over the first couple of years, subjecting users to regular periodic disruptions. "To hell with users, we eat our own dogfood dammit!". Not only that, I'd say most of the hotmail employees were abandoned too--wandered away or pushed out.

    Hotmail still exists today as a cornerstone to MSFT's "Live" initiative and is probably the biggest webmail provider out there so it wasn't all bad of course, but there is a difference here: MSFT had no webmail service of note before buying Hotmail. In the case of Yahoo, what have they got that MSFT doesn't have? They both have an IM platform and client, a search portal, webmail, advertising services, etc...except NONE of Yahoo's runs on MSFT technology! Within 2 years, the yahoo portal will be gone, the IM client will be gone, the webmail will be gone, everything will be gone. Yahoo is coveted for its customer base and advertising presence. It'll live for awhile as "MS Yahoo! Live" for awhile then it'll be gone. It's employees will be gone. It'll be a footnote in history.

    It doesn't matter all that much to me; I have no great love for either company and think they both offer mediocre service and crappy software. However, if Yahoo's directors and Yang himself care about the company and really believe it would grow, they've made the right decision to resist a buyout by MSFT. You'd have to be a fool to think there'd be anything of substance left of Yahoo after MSFT slayed them and feasted upon the corpse. Some of us would cheer to see that, but I'm betting the founder, directors and loyal employees would understandably NOT want to see that.

    Anyways, who is to say that Yahoo shareholders would be better off with the MSFT shares tossed their way in a buyout? Right now, I'd say NEITHER stock is going anywhere exiting in the next 2 years. By the way, if you just go by the charts, Yahoo did the right thing; in the past year, YHOO has lost just over 9 percent, but MSFT has lost over 10 percent. If you extend where things have been out to 2010, if you think YHOO is heading towards $11, then MSFT will probably be $10.50.

  • by weston ( 16146 ) * <westonsd@@@canncentral...org> on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:35PM (#23644133) Homepage
    It seems to me that many of you do not have your fingers on the pulse of the day to day users in a corporate enviornment. That is why you fail to see why companies use, and will continue to use, Windows as a base OS for their client systems.

    It's true, I've been out of the cube farm for about a year and a half. And I think it's true that there, Windows still has significant penetration.

    But consider the following:

    (1) Even in the corporate world, users are ready to get off the upgrade treadmill at Windows XP. Precisely for the reason you mention "It works just fine for what these users need to do." Nobody needs the next version of Windows, nobody really cares, and Vista really isn't that great.

    (2) There exist increasingly capable alternatives that also "work just fine for what these users need to do."

    (3) More and more work is done on web apps.

    It does not 'break' as often as you would like it to, or believe it to break

    I'm sure that somewhere, there's a place where seasoned Windows sysadmins correctly administer Windows boxes built from well-selected reliable hardware so well that your statement is true. However, it certainly has not been the case in the business and home environments I've been a part of. And "as often as I'd like it to?" I'd be a happier man if it broke under my use not at all.

    But even assuming your statement is truer than I think it is -- the other three points are what I really mean by "Windows is stagnating." Microsoft's licensing revenues certainly aren't going away overnight. But right now, in the main, Windows is pretty much headed to the ignominy of just another commodity.

  • by Deagol ( 323173 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:36PM (#23644141) Homepage
    Wait a sec... Yahoo is a search engine? I thought it was an entertainment hub or sorts. I mean, sure, it *was* a search engine, back in the days when Lycos was it's primary competitor, complete with a lean, clean front page almost as nice as Google's. Now that I think about it, MSN isn't a search engine, either -- just another entertainment hub.

    Of course, Google has started down the path of crapware bloat w/ its acquisition of YouTube. At least its front page is still an honest-to-goodness search engine, with clean interface and clean results.

  • by Miseph ( 979059 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:37PM (#23644153) Journal
    Also consider that when somebody dumps $1.5bn of a single stock, it is no longer worth $1.5bn.

    I'd imagine the real reason he's pissed is that he's so heavily invested in Yahoo he can't possibly get out of it.

    That said, even if it halved in value had he sold his stock off, he can still cry me a river: "I only made $750,000,000 cashing out my YHOO stocks, wah!"
  • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:41PM (#23644229) Homepage
    Why does Slashdot love Google sooo much? Frankly, I find Yahoo to be a very competitive search engine. There are a few things I think it does better than Google, especial when searching for obscure information. Yahoo's movies, weather, etc. make it really useful. I think for the average home user who wants a "portal" Yahoo is the best balance between a pure search engine and a good home page. Why does everyone hate them so much?
  • Re:Public companies (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:45PM (#23644287)

    Actually, what you're referring to is the "business judgment rule,"... The Board is *required* to focus on maximizing wealth for the company's owners, i.e., the shareholders.

    No, I'm not. And no, the board is not. Unocal v. Mesa Petroleum established that, for Deleware companies (like Yahoo!), when faced with an unsolicited bid, the board could take into account not only shareholder value, but also the interests of: creditors, customers, employees, and possibly a larger community.

    When the Board throws a "For Sale" sign up, however, it is obligated to take the highest bid.

  • by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:47PM (#23644305) Homepage Journal
    Have you seen the new iPods? a little bigger then a credit card with color video?
    Creating that board they way the did was genius, and they laid out some new techniques.

    "The iPhone is nice, but it's a cleaned up version of the Nokia E70"
    are you high? it is a lot cleaner then E70, better usability, better circuit layout, and much, much more stylish. And no, stylish is not an opinion. That is a myth created by people who don't know what they hell style means.

    "Slashdotters would still decry it. "
    I've been here too long to believe that. Some would, but many would give it it's due...grudgingly.

    MS's bank account are rather emptier then they where 8 years ago.
  • by jslater25 ( 1005503 ) on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:47PM (#23644317)
    I wish I had mod points for this. I agree with the statements negRo_slim made in this post. If so many people are 'becoming violently sick of' Microsoft's OS, how is it possible that they control such a dominate position in that market? This perplexes me anytime people decide to rant about the awfulness of Microsoft. As for Apple beating out Microsoft, I have to laugh out loud. Apple has been in this market for ages. And yet they consistently manage to have less than 10% of the market. That constitutes a formidable giant? I don't think you really understand what it is you are arguing.
  • Re:Messy mergers (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) <enderandrew&gmail,com> on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @08:16PM (#23645923) Homepage Journal
    I don't think acquiring Compaq has anything to do with current success. The merger cost tons of money, held up HP for a good two years, and led to Carly's demise as CEO.

    HP has done reasonably well since then, but that is akin to saying just because Time Warner has some success now, that doesn't justify the disasterous merged with AOL.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 04, 2008 @01:01AM (#23647759)
    Many would say that Icahn's modus operandi is actually more like the following...

    March into a public company using loads of capital and credit...

    Take over, oust lazy shitheads at the helm, make a stagnant, potentially capable and profitable company work again...

    Sell off his interest for a serious gain.

    He does what many of us only dream of. What would you do if you could buy the helm at Yahoo or Microsoft? You'd eject the flotsam, divert resources to things the company is likely to do well, focus on doing them well... ...PROFIT.

    And let's remember that employees often benefit greatly from this sort of thing.

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