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The Greatest Defunct Websites and Dotcom Disasters 192

NotableCathy writes "CNet has an interesting retrospective write-up documenting the most notable dotcom disasters and now-defunct Websites that were massive in their day, detailing what happened to them and what they led to. Nupedia didn't escape a slating (remember Larry Sanger's memoir?), or indeed Beenz, whose founder and CEO once said 'would become the universal currency, supplanting all others,' according to The Register seven years ago."
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The Greatest Defunct Websites and Dotcom Disasters

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  • Please .... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @11:39AM (#23668913)
    Won't someone post a link that doesn't have 11 pages?
  • by rezalas ( 1227518 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:06PM (#23669327)
    Everyone but these guys! It might seem a little crass, but when you think about it all the businesses that succeeded did so in part from the lessons learned during the "great crash". Which in many ways helped to bring the good idea makers and engineers together through the rubble to form meaningful companies and worthwhile investments from what could have been a severe slowdown for our overall progress in internet spread.
  • Jenni Archives (Score:3, Insightful)

    by bikeidaho ( 951032 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:07PM (#23669343)
    So where are the Jenni archive videos, especially bow-chicka-bow-wow? I know someone has them... come on, fess up.
  • Re:AllTheWeb.com (Score:3, Insightful)

    by quarrel ( 194077 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:08PM (#23669345)
    alltheweb was good, agreed.

    However, the while google's search results were/are good, the key thing they twigged to earlier than most was how HUGE web advertising was, and how to monetise it. That could have happened in Norway with alltheweb, but it didn't.

    When google filed IPO documents people finally understood how HUGE web advertising was.

    --Q
  • Re:I miss Dejanews (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dwye ( 1127395 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:11PM (#23669393)
    > part of me pines for the simple days when it
    > was Usenet that contained the useful technical
    > information we needed, and when Dejanews was
    > the best way to get to it.

    Noob. Getting a feed from someone was the best way, and second best was getting a login on a small machine that had the feed. Dejanews was the Harbinger of Death for Usenet.
  • Re:AllTheWeb.com (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 14erCleaner ( 745600 ) <FourteenerCleaner@yahoo.com> on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:12PM (#23669403) Homepage Journal
    For me, the greatest appeal of google was the lack of ad images (and it still is). Most of the web world still hasn't quite learned this lesson: don't annoy people.
  • Re:beopen (Score:1, Insightful)

    by AutopsyReport ( 856852 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:23PM (#23669575)
    People are just impatient and expect returns quickly. You have to plan ahead at least 5 to 10 years if you are going to start a business.

    Well isn't that great advice. Identify a market need, wait ten years to come to market and learn that someone else already executed nine years earlier?

    I just can't understand the logic behind your advice. Things change quickly in business making it impossible to predict five to ten years ahead of time. You just can't plan for that, especially when you're not even in business yet.

    The reasons new business fail is because they planned poorly (or not at all), couldn't adjust between what they expected and what they got (big revenues to big losses) etc.. It has nothing to do with long-term planning. That comes later.

    Long term plans are only valuable if you've got the minerals to get yourself past day one.
  • Re:Thank God (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Daniel Dvorkin ( 106857 ) * on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:26PM (#23669609) Homepage Journal
    There will still be booms and busts, of course, but I do think people are a little wiser these days about how to make money on the web. (And no, I'm not talking about porn; anyone who, um, pokes around a little can find enough free porn to satisfy any appetite.) No amount of collective knowledge can save the truly stupid from themselves, but most folks do seem to realize that "... on the INTERNET!" is not in and of itself a recipe for making tons of cash. The truly successful dot-coms such as Google and Amazon and Ebay provide an example for internet business models that actually do make money, and smart would-be web entrepeneurs will study these few successes and (as well as the many, many failures) carefully.
  • Re:mp3.com (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 68030 ( 215387 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:42PM (#23669885) Homepage
    I've found last.fm to be a suitable replacement at least for finding interesting new music. That's where I've got tons of my own music: http://www.last.fm/music/Children+of+the+Monkey+Machine [www.last.fm]
  • I don't get it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Moraelin ( 679338 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @12:55PM (#23670093) Journal
    You know, I don't quite get it. I've seen bigger arseholes in upper management or on the cover of some management magazines, and noone gets a shock at seeing those ;)

    Well, now seriously, it was just an arse. Admittedly a rather stretched one, but I gather there must be _some_ demand for seeing that on a woman, judging by the whole category of porn and whole sites dedicated to it. I haven't heard of people reeling in shock after being exposed to almost seeing a <insert female pornstar>'s kidneys up her rear end after an anal scene. Or sometimes in the middle of it.

    Seriously, it wasn't the most appealing or aesthetically pleasing picture out there, I'll grant that, but I just can't figure out the _horror_ some people claim to have experienced seeing it. It seems a rather disproportionate response. You'd figure that a simple, "hmm, how's this relevant to the topic at hand?" and hitting the back button would be enough for all practical purposes. Horror or shock? Erm, why?

    Or was it just the implicit hint of homosexuality that gives the average male in some parts of the world the idea that he must seem properly outraged and horrified by it, lest someone might get the idea that he's gay too? Not trolling, just genuinely trying to figure it out.
  • Re:Thank God (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:08PM (#23670315)
    Well there is a difference between "Web 1.0" and "Web 2.0" Web 2.0 wasn't ment to be the ultimate answer, just a tool to make it better. Back durint the .COM there was this strive to break all boundries change the world be the next multi-billionare. Now it is toned down. Making a web-site even a good one wont make you a billionare, you chances are just the same as any other company. (most companies are small under 100 employees) in which 90% of them fail in the first year. Yes we got some Web 2.0 big winners... YouTube/Google, MySpace... However most of them out there are just normal guys making an average living. And that is what is now expected.
    The Web is in a state where the Telephone was in the 1960's where people are comfortable using it for their day to day activites, and is difficult to remember a world without it.
  • Re:beopen (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:12PM (#23670379)
    Wow, impressive way to misinterpret him, mock the strawman, and then give your own inaccurate assessment.

    GP was in part referring to the fact that businesses often expect revenues and profits to come much more quickly than they actually do and have not planned ahead for the initial stages of a start-up. For traditional small businesses, lack of sufficient capital is the main cause of failure for new businesses. I suspect that remains the case with web businesses, even if it sometimes could be more accurately described as over-valuing the worth of your product.

    The factors you mention are factors in the failure of a business, and it was a nice touch that you mock someone for talking about planning 5 years ahead and then list poor planning as your first idea of why most businesses fail. Five years may seem like a lifetime to you and the world of tech, but a solid business plan will almost always hold up over that long of a period without a huge amount change. (If you need to make huge changes to your business plan every year, you're probably in your death throes - even for tech companies.) Moreover, a business shouldn't expect profits for at least the first two years of its existence. Five years is a pretty short deadline to expect to get out of start-up mode.

    Of course, you can opt to say "It's the web" and then accelerate all of your deadlines by a factor of four. That worked well last time, and I'm sure it'll work well with Web 2.0.
  • Re:Thank God (Score:5, Insightful)

    by R2.0 ( 532027 ) on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:38PM (#23670849)
    "but most folks do seem to realize that "... on the INTERNET!" is not in and of itself a recipe for making tons of cash. "

    But it IS the recipe for getting a bogus patent, which in turn leads to tons of cash - for lawyers, anyway.
  • Re:Thank God (Score:5, Insightful)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Thursday June 05, 2008 @01:47PM (#23671037) Homepage Journal
    Web 2.0 isn't a tool to make it better. It's just the obvious direction it was going. Anyone who was actually surprised by it, or thinks it's a 'new thing' is the tool.

  • Re:I miss Dejanews (Score:3, Insightful)

    by geminidomino ( 614729 ) * on Thursday June 05, 2008 @03:47PM (#23672887) Journal
    Pfft. Insightful my ass.

    AOL was the both the Harbinger AND Vector of Death for Usenet, long before Dejanews even appeared.

    Wiki "Eternal september"

    (And yes, I know that AOL cut off Usenet access, but google is now filling those shoes, so September drags on...)

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