Become a fan of Slashdot on Facebook

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Yahoo! Businesses Google Microsoft The Almighty Buck The Internet

Yahoo Ends Talks With Microsoft, Embraces Google Instead 214

snydeq writes with a story from InfoWorld which says that "Yahoo has ended its talks with Microsoft and is instead nearing an agreement with Google. Yahoo's purported reason for breaking off the talks? That Microsoft was only interested in purchasing Yahoo's search business, not all of the company. 'Such a transaction would not be consistent with the company's view of the converging search and display marketplaces, would leave the company without an independent search business that it views as critical to its strategic future and would not be in the best interests of Yahoo stockholders,' the company said in a statement. The deal with Google allegedly involves Yahoo's search advertising business. The move likely will draw more ire from Icahn and may in fact remain part of the elaborate poker game between the two companies. Microsoft said this alternative transaction remains on the table and did not confirm that talks between it and Yahoo have concluded." Update: 06/12 23:58 GMT by T : CWmike writes "Just hours after saying it ended talks with Microsoft, Yahoo announced that it will start running advertising from Google alongside Yahoo search results. Yahoo expects the deal, which has a 10-year term, to generate $250 million to $450 million in operating cash flow during the first 12 months."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Yahoo Ends Talks With Microsoft, Embraces Google Instead

Comments Filter:
  • Re:LULZ (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WilyCoder ( 736280 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:01PM (#23770315)
    Would a Yahoogle monopoly be any better than an MS one?

    I'm not a MS supporter (or troll), that was an honest question...
  • Not surprising... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ConceptJunkie ( 24823 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:03PM (#23770351) Homepage Journal
    Given that MSN search is horrible, I can see where MS would want to vulch that one piece of Yahoo, and that probably wouldn't run afoul of anti-trust laws. In any event, as a huge fan of Flickr, I'm glad there is no longer a serious threat that my beloved photo service will succumb to Redmondian rapine.

    And of course, it's highly plausible that this whole effort from Microsoft was intended solely to serve their own interests by creating the perception they were going to acquire, and they never intended to go through with it, for whatever arcane market reasons.

    Programming is simple. Business is complicated.
  • Re:LULZ (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Prof.Phreak ( 584152 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:05PM (#23770381) Homepage
    but now Microsoft only has 1 target. yahoo has just about admitted that google has won the search business.
  • Re:Carl Icahn (Score:2, Insightful)

    by thermian ( 1267986 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:05PM (#23770387)
    he hasn't lost just yet.

    Also, in what way has Paul Allen failed? Seems to me he's doing rather well for himself.

    The smartest thing he ever did was get out of the running of Microsoft. I was always of the opinion he was an ok bloke.
  • by i kan reed ( 749298 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:09PM (#23770443) Homepage Journal
    antitrust. Competition made the search market healthy. If they team up and work together we lose that. It'll be just like Microsoft circa 1995 again, with googhoo(yagle?) having their fingers in everything search and ad related. No choices. I don't like this at all.
  • by InlawBiker ( 1124825 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:11PM (#23770465)

    And of course, it's highly plausible that this whole effort from Microsoft was intended solely to serve their own interests by creating the perception they were going to acquire, and they never intended to go through with it, for whatever arcane market reasons.
    On a deal this huge there's so much back-room strategy and PR feinting / posturing it's impossible for us normal geeks to get the real story. It's akin to planning the D-Day invasion while saying, 'yeah, we're thinking about sending a boat or two over there eventually.'
  • by pak9rabid ( 1011935 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:14PM (#23770501)

    So first Yahoo doesn't want MS to buy them out. Next they don't like the fact that Microsoft only want part of the assets(instead of the entire company). Really, what does Yahoo wants?
    Sounds like to me the CEO of Yahoo doesn't want to sell out to Microsoft, but also doesn't want to be crucified by the board for not selling out to someone. Google seems like an attractive option for him, if that's the case.
  • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:25PM (#23770661)
    With Google and Yahoo finally working together, just IMAGINE how many Chinese dissidents they'll be able to turn it!
  • Oh, god, no... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argent ( 18001 ) <peter@slashdot . ... t a r o nga.com> on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:30PM (#23770743) Homepage Journal
    Please, Google, don't incorporate anything from Yahoo. Please. I'm beggin' you.
  • My guess: No one. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:31PM (#23770755) Homepage
    "Who do you think will win after putting the whole thing in perspective?"

    I'm guessing that no one will win. Apparently no one has done even a little bit of creative thinking.
  • Re:LULZ (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ady1 ( 873490 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:33PM (#23770785)

    Monoply: (economics) a market in which there are many buyers but only one seller; "a monopoly on silver"; "when you have a monopoly you can ask any price ...
    Last time I checked, Microsoft does has a market share and is an alternative, although mostly crap.
  • by Thai-Pan ( 414112 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:46PM (#23770925) Journal
    ...would we be seeing the same reaction on Slashdot?

    Seriously, imagine if Apple were trying to acquire, for instance Transmeta, (purely hypothetical) and offering a 45%+ premium. And Transmeta in response turned it down and set up internal policies to make generous severence payments to employees who chose to leave after the acquisition.

    What do you call that? I call it gross breach of fiduciary duty to your stockholders. I am fortunately not a Yahoo stockholder, but if I was, I'd be pretty pissed about this.
  • by MOBE2001 ( 263700 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:53PM (#23771005) Homepage Journal
    Jerry Yang did the right thing, in my opinion. He must hold on to his core search and advertising business. However, he would do well to diversify as soon as possible. Consider that both Microsoft and Intel have been riding on last century's legacy technology (x86 and Windows) for a long time. That sweet ride can't last forever. Now that the industry is transitioning from sequential processing to massively parallel computing, and given that neither Microsoft nor Intel have delivered on the real promise of multicore processors, Yahoo has the opportunity of a lifetime to sneak behind those two slow-moving behemoths and steal their pot of gold. Someone should tell Jerry before it's too late. Multicore processors is where the real action is at. Whoever solves the parallel-programming/multicore-design problem will rule the computer industry in this century.
  • Re:LULZ (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chyeld ( 713439 ) <chyeld.gmail@com> on Thursday June 12, 2008 @05:54PM (#23771013)
    If it allowed Flikr integration with the rest of Google, hell yeah.

    That's about the only Yahoo! service that I still consider superior to Google's offerings.

    Superficial reasoning aside, yes and no.

    On one hand, a Goo-ho! would involve diluting the corporate culture of Google, risking it becoming less of a company that I look up to as an example of how to be successful and ethical. That would be bad. On the other hand, these two companies could actually mesh well when you consider WHAT they provide. The resulting conglomeration would have about the best of most of the 'big' web services that are offered out there.

    A Yah-soft would just be the next interation of Microsoft Live! before it tanked yet again due to poor manaegment and a lack of any discernable goals other than "we need to be out there, doing... something!"
  • Re:Here's an idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ArhcAngel ( 247594 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @06:00PM (#23771075)
    Why doesn't Microsoft just use their huge amounts of money and work for it, where is their internal drive and passion?

    QDOS -> MSDOS
    MAC OS -> Windows
    Spyglass -> IE
    BSD TCPIP stack -> Spider stack -> Windows NT stack
    JAVA -> J+ -> J#
    Flash -> Silverlight

    You must be REALLY new here!
  • Re:LULZ (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 12, 2008 @06:16PM (#23771229)
    1. Yahoo and Google are committed to the web, not some silvershite bullshit!
    2. Both companies appear to be comfortable with the idea of competition
    3. Neither company has ever touted anything like "The Microsoft Network", proprietary forerunner to MSN
    4. Less risk of injury from flying chairs


    And plenty of other reasons...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 12, 2008 @06:18PM (#23771253)
    There's exactly one thing Microsoft wants in Yahoo: yahoo.com. The domain name.

    Jerry Yang knows this, hence the 2 reasons why he doesn't want to sell...

    First, Yahoo does very little that Microsoft does as well (and given the quality and market share of Live Search, that doesn't count). That means Ballmer wants to buy his way into a new market. He wouldn't do that, with the approbation of Gates and the rest of the board, if they didn't think it would be worth ten times that in ten years. To Yang this confirms that selling now is a bad move.

    Second, it means that pretty much all of yahoo is, in case of takeover by Microsoft, destined to be shutdown or put in hibernation like Hotmail. Of course he doesn't relish the idea of the company he started being destroyed in such a way.
  • Re:Oh, god, no... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by boarder8925 ( 714555 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @06:42PM (#23771529)

    Please, Google, don't incorporate anything from Yahoo. Please. I'm beggin' you.
    Flickr? Del.icio.us?
  • Re:LULZ (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @06:45PM (#23771589) Journal
    I don't think it was about going for second. I really think Microsoft really wanted Yahoo as a way to compete with Google. Yahoo does in fact have lots of interesting tech, like pipes, as well as an entire suite of superior web portal offerings with a decent advertizing and anyalitics business to go with it. MSN is at the bottom of the heap from a tech prespective, but at the top as far as resources its parent company could put into it; that is if they had some direction to go in. Yahoo technology and its brand could have given that to Microsoft, and they might have been real competition for Google in its core spaces had they aquired Yahoo. Yahoo on the other hand does not have the capital or market position to keep on pace with Google and will continue to faulter without something to save them. Sure it could be something amazingly inovative and market shifting; or it could be a large pool of Microsoft Money(pun entended) that would enable them to take what they have and make it substantially better.

    Microsoft tried as they always do to manipulate the market place and get themselves a sweatheart deal rather then playing a more "fair game" as fair as large cap market stock deals get anyway. They ended up souring the deal. I think it was bad business on their part. They should have made a fair offer and done the deal. Sure Yahoo got hurt more then Microsoft did but thats not what it was about. Microsoft really lost an oppertunity they wanted, no matter how the outsiders and small investors see it, the Microhoo fiasco was a failure of Microsoft's.

    I don't know what Google gets outa Yahoo other then sheer mass. I don't think Yahoo represents the top drawer tech when compared with Google. Yes there is some good Yahoo technology that Google can assimilate easily, but its probably not worth what Google has to pay. The brand and portal offerings are of little value to Google becase theirs are already better. To Google's credit though they have gotten quite big and demonstrated from a leadership standpoint they can manage the mass. If you are going to tangle with an 800lb gorrilla like Microsoft, being a 600lb gorilla rather then the 500lb you already are might give you that little bit of extra inertia needed to prevent Microsoft from steam rolling you by tring to take the web proprietary again with dotNet, still more activeX, and silverlight.
  • by daemonburrito ( 1026186 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @06:48PM (#23771605) Journal

    What is this "gross breach of fiduciary duty" you speak of? Is that a legal thing?

    Yang boarding a flight to the Caribbean with suitcases stuffed with cash would be one thing, thinking beyond a one time buyout deal is quite another.

    From almost exactly a year ago: http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/9388783?f=related [cfo.com]

    Suing a corporation for not selling their grandmothers for a nickel is an abuse of the legal system.

  • Re:LULZ (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tknd ( 979052 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @07:04PM (#23771743)

    I think you missed the main issue that deals with web marketing--a topic that most geeks on slashdot are not familiar with. The problem with Yahoo siding with Google is that it helps establish Google as the king of search and online advertising. All three services (Google, Yahoo, MSN) make a huge chunk if their revenue through online advertising and marketing services. Since Google will now have it's hands toying around with Yahoo, Google could just slowly eat away at Yahoo's margins or eventually buy them out. That would leave the last significant competitor as MSN which isn't even much of a competitor. The end result is basically a Google monopoly on web marketing until the next big disruptive marketing tech comes along.

    Google's online marketing market share is already so significant that most web marketing firms won't even touch Yahoo or MSN networks because the effort is simply not worth the return. But now you say if I go through Google I'll also get a piece of Yahoo? Big win for Google.

    In this situation, I think Yahoo honestly had a choice between two devils with different faces. They may have royally pissed off their shareholders with shrugging off MS, but they may keep their company alive for a little longer.

    As far as my own opinion, I'm split. On one side as a consumer, I think there needs to be more web marketing competitors to compete with Google in order to maintain a healthy market. On the other hand I am a Google shareholder. I suppose in this case I win (and lose) either way.

  • by myowntrueself ( 607117 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @07:30PM (#23772043)
    I think that stockholders are only interested in one thing; making great steaming gobs of cash as fast as possible.

    They take no pride in the company in which they have stock.
    They don't care about employees or customers.
    They have huge great dollar signs in their eyes and cannot see past them.

    They would gladly fuck it to death for all the money they can and then dispose of the corpse.

    That, my friend, is 'fiduciary duty'. Fuck 'em to death, wring the cash out then wash your hands and move to the next target to suck the life out of.

  • Re:LULZ (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Ilyakub ( 1200029 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @07:52PM (#23772295)

    Yes, it would be much, much better.

    What we dislike about Microsoft is not that it is big and powerful but that it releases poor quality products and destroys its competition using monopolistic tactics.

    Google, on the other hand, supports Free and open-source software, has excellent products that geeks love, is concerned about seamless co-operation and integration of all web services (even ones that they don't own) and wins by having the better product, and constantly improving it.

  • Re:LULZ (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BIGELLOW ( 970109 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @08:09PM (#23772457) Homepage
    There's a difference. If Microsoft bought Yahoo!, it would be monopolistic. If Microsoft made an exclusive deal with Yahoo!, it would be monopolistic. If Microsoft made a NON-EXCLUSIVE deal with Yahoo!, it wouldn't be monopolistic.

    In this case, Yahoo! made a NON-EXCLUSIVE deal with Google. This isn't monopolistic. Google also has a number of different deals with AOL. Google and Yahoo once had various deals with each other. Google also has a deal with Mozilla. Businesses do deals all the time, but yet they compete strongly.

    Look at Google and eBay. There is a lot of competition going on there, when it comes to PayPal and Google Checkout. Yet, eBay continues to shovel tons of money towards Google. Why? Because it is beneficial to them. They need advertising, Google provides advertising.

    Do a search on Google for the word "search"... chances are you will see an advertisement for live.com. So, Microsoft is also shoveling tons of money towards Google.

    This isn't Yahoo! buying Google and this isn't Google buying Yahoo!. Google and Yahoo! are merely striking a deal. Yahoo! will feature Google ads in their search. Yahoo!'s search engine will still be powered by their own algorithms. They won't lose (or gain) search share as a result. They'll just make more money in advertising.

    Google and Yahoo! will also be working to get their IM clients to work together. This can only benefit the web community at large.

    It is also a non-exclusive deal, which basically means Yahoo! can strike similar agreements with whomever they choose, even Microsoft.

    It DOES make Yahoo! less attractive as a BUYOUT option for Microsoft, because this would mean that Microsoft would be buying something which benefits Google, which probably wouldn't sit well with the way Microsoft does business. However, it does nothing to dilute Yahoo!'s role in the market, nor Google's role in the market. It simply gives Yahoo! more money to compete with.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 12, 2008 @09:31PM (#23773171)
    Investors aren't interested in making great steaming gobs of cash as fast as possible. Stockholders are interested in WINNING. Often, winning involves making great steaming gobs of cash as fast as possible, but that isn't the sole criteria to determine if you won.

    In this particular case, Yahoo is losing and they have no credible plan to "win". The acquisition offer from Microsoft represented a way to win (being eaten whole by a large rival is considered winning), which made investors happy. Yahoo, in turn, decided it would rather continue losing than team up with someone they didn't like. This, of course, made investors unhappy, because they don't like to lose. Today, Yahoo basically conceeded defeat by teaming up with the current leader, dooming themselves to be an also-ran.

  • Re:LULZ (Score:5, Insightful)

    by _KiTA_ ( 241027 ) on Thursday June 12, 2008 @10:38PM (#23773627) Homepage

    Last time I checked, MS was convicted of abusing their "monopoly" while Linux and MacOS existed.
    Last I heard, they had something like a 95% market share at that time, and used it to propel their shitty Internet browser from a 5% market share to a 90%-someodd market share.

    Which is why they were, you know, found guilty?
  • by Gazzonyx ( 982402 ) <scott.lovenberg@gm a i l.com> on Friday June 13, 2008 @12:41AM (#23774417)
    I just happen to be wearing my Hexdrix shirt today. He had potential to mature into an even better musician had he not died at such a young age, IMHO. He knew the things that couldn't be 'taught'.

    I have several years of traditional music education under my belt and I'm a simply lousy (and then some) musician. No natural rhythm, and I could never improv. at all. I'm also slightly tone deaf to certain ranges of the register. However, programming is my natural talent. I 'learned' more about it from messing around and gut instinct than I really do in class. Then there's system/network administration; I can learn it and do it with a bit of effort, but I'm neither simply lousy or gifted at it.

    I think this is how most people are. You either are gifted and only get much better with time, manage to be sufficient, or are lousy regardless of effort. It seems that musicians who are naturally gifted are relatively rare and (if they don't get in to jazz, where talent goes on to play and never get recognition) stand out amongst the rest quickly.
  • by wan-fu ( 746576 ) on Friday June 13, 2008 @12:57AM (#23774517)
    It's commonly known that the numbers presented in terms of the number of results by all three search engines is an estimate by those engines. In general, Google's system wildly overestimates the number of results it finds. As does Yahoo's. Try performing a search with fewer results so that you can try to reach the "end" of the results. In most cases, you'll find Google is overestimating.
  • Re:LULZ (Score:5, Insightful)

    by porl ( 932021 ) on Friday June 13, 2008 @01:26AM (#23774673)
    no, they were punished because they used their monopoly on one thing to push another unfairly, because they wanted to kill off netscape. they aren't punished because they sell a lot of copies of windows, and they never were.

    porl

Get hold of portable property. -- Charles Dickens, "Great Expectations"

Working...