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Wikileaks Gets Hold of Counterinsurgency Manual 999

HeavensBlade23 writes in to let us know that Wikileaks has published a US Special Forces counterinsurgency manual, titled Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004). "The document, which has been verified, is official US Special Forces doctrine. It directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control and restrictions on labor unions & political parties. It directly advocates warrantless searches, detainment without charge and the suspension of habeas corpus. It directly advocates bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists. And it directly advocates the extensive use of 'psychological operations' (propaganda) to make these and other 'population & resource control' measures more palatable."
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Wikileaks Gets Hold of Counterinsurgency Manual

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  • Re:War is fun! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Saint Fnordius ( 456567 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:30AM (#23837133) Homepage Journal
    I think it was Dick Cheney. Or George Bush, who in the first moments of the invasion of Iraq treated the attacks like some sports event,
  • Comment removed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:40AM (#23837231)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by kestasjk ( 933987 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:41AM (#23837249) Homepage
    I dunno, I think this is the old problem of mistaking incompetence for evil.

    Here in Australia our labor government (and before that, to a lesser extend, the liberal government) can sure be incompetent, but as much as I dislike Rudd he's probably not evil.

    He supported the Iraq war in 2003 and now blames Howard for it of course, but he (just like the majority of people) thought it was necessary at the time.

    No point mistaking bad intelligence and unquestioning politicians for malice.
  • by OeLeWaPpErKe ( 412765 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:45AM (#23837289) Homepage
    We also need some sort of common sense to spot obvious fakes (just click on the pdf).

    If this is made by the US gov then they're beyond stupid. Not because of the contents. Just the layout.

    WWII pilot briefing documents look better than this "official" document.

    I say it's a fake.
  • Re:War is fun! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by GodsMadClown ( 180543 ) <wfindl1.yahoo@com> on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:52AM (#23837387)
    Our commander in chief said as much in a videoconference with troops in Afghanistan on Mar 13, 2008:
    ( http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1333111120080313 [reuters.com] ) ...
    "I must say, I'm a little envious," Bush said. "If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed."

    "It must be exciting for you ... in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You're really making history, and thanks," Bush said. ...

    What a shame he's otherwise "employed".
  • by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:57AM (#23837463) Journal
    Next slashdot will be "discovering" Operation Gladio.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio [wikipedia.org]
  • by Darth_Ramirez ( 1098767 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @09:01AM (#23837537)
    The Manual contains guidelines for US operatives in foreign countries - say some banana republic in South America - to quell what they call "insurgency".

    Insurgency against corrupt, inefficient, brutal regimes backed by the US - or directly put into place through a coup d'etat overturning the results of some election - because such regimes were considered a shield against bolshevism, or because the control over the government of that country will potentially entail huge benefits to corporations controlled by relatives & friends, or some major contributor for presidential election.

    That's hardly war. That's State Terrorism. And it doesn't even have a "higher cause" to justify it, besides paranoia and/or greed.

    And if I am naive, I wonder what you are.

    What you actually aren't is a Historian nor particularly well-informed about Somalia or Bosnia. Especially in the latter, I really wonder how could those tactics could apply in Bosnia at all, where there was a multi-ethnic war going on, with at least three sides involved.
  • by MikeB0Lton ( 962403 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @09:04AM (#23837573)
    Actually it is several of the Muslim factions that are doing most of the killing right now in the middle east. The insurgents don't just duke it out with the US, they kill each other. Your suggestion for getting out of other countries would be nice, except that the US economy completely depends on resources from those countries. If so much oil money is flowing to the Persian gulf, then why 9/11/2001? Perception. Take a look at what is on television and magazines and you will know how the rest of the world perceives the US.
  • by stewbacca ( 1033764 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @09:08AM (#23837631)
    If you'd all stop and take a breath from your incredulous findings for a moment. Counter-insurgency is what is needed in Iraq AND Afghanistan. The reason we haven't wrapped up both of those regions yet is because of the politicians insisting we approach these conflicts with traditional warfare pieces and making us play by the rule while the enemy has no rules.

    Let's pull out 100,000 regular troops in Iraq now and replace them with every last special ops and civil affairs troop we have, and we'll have success within months. But no, the politicians insist we play by antiquated rules because we are a "civil" society. Every time a politician says to pull troops out of Iraq and put them in Afghanistan, they instantly lose credibility with anyone who knows anything about how regular troops deploy, and how they are ineffective in the Afghan theater. Keep that in mind this election season. As much as I detest the saying, sometimes the ends really do justify the means. 10 years, trillions of dollars, a few thousand US lives, a few hundred thousand Iraqi lives and years of political instability, or a few months of counter-insurgency operations and a somewhat stable (relative term) governance in place...you decide.

  • Re:HeavensBlade23 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sm62704 ( 957197 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @09:18AM (#23837791) Journal
    knowing that Bush will only follow his invisible leader in the sky.

    News flash, sparky: this has nothing to do with religion. Bush no more believes in God than you do. But he knows how to use propaganda, he knows how to get Christians to follow his evil, Satanistic ways. What you ascribe to religion is merely evil, selfish men who use religion to further their own greed.

    Bush is the wolf is sheep's clothing that we were warned about. Pat Robertson, too. These men are NOT Christians. Don't listen to their words, look at their actions. They worship money.

    Bush is an athiest who pretends to be a Christian.
  • by alexgieg ( 948359 ) <alexgieg@gmail.com> on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @09:55AM (#23838373) Homepage

    Oh yeah, arming one group of people and giving them a monopoly on violence is the solution to interpersonal conflict.
    Well, Hobbes used to say that the advantage of governments isn't that violence itself ceases to exist, just that it switches level. Or, to be more precise, that outside a state you have violence at a personal level, with people shotting each other in the streets as the only way of being sure they won't be the next killed is by being the next killers, while with states, although you still have violence among them, at least people living inside them get some measure of peaceful coexistence. The difference, thus, isn't one of "good" versus "evil", but rather one of "bad" versus "worse".

    As a result of this reasoning, his take on the subject was that, for people to be able to accomplish anything better than having to live in an eternal struggle for today's food (where anyone can come and take from you what you made, no one bothers to produce anything, much less any surplus), the very first thing they need is a state strong enough to both make other states afraid of messing with them and to make the people under its umbrella afraid of messing with each other. Once you have this established, no matter how (and at this point a totalitarian tyranny is okay for him), you have peace enough for surplus production to develop. And once you have a functional society, then you can start pursuing other goals, such as, say, freedom of belief, freedom of speech, democracy, individual rights etc. (which, contrary to common belief, he pretty much preferred).

    So, yes, arming one group of people and giving them a monopoly on violence is indeed the solution to interpersonal conflict. Even if it leads, in the worst case scenario, to the monopolist becoming an absolute totalitarian hereditary monarch and everyone else becoming his personal slaves, as in this case interpersonal conflicts are also few. But, and this is important, it's a solution only to interpersonal conflicts. Everything else requires, of course, much more than this.

    A monopoly in violence, thus, is just the very first step required in solving human problems, as it solves our very first problem. But it's never the solution to all of our problems.
  • by Alibaba10100 ( 1296289 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @10:16AM (#23838729) Journal
    Two flaws with that view: 1. How much of the population has to ask? Should they hold a formal vote? 2. Asking someone to overthrow your oppressive government can be somewhat hazardous to your health. This may have an effect on a population's publicly held opinions. Either that or Robert Mugabe must have given some absolutely stunning campaign speeches over the years.
  • Re:War is fun! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by je ne sais quoi ( 987177 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @10:29AM (#23838919)
    There's also a famous quote from a WWI British officer named Julian Grenfell:

    "I adore war. It's like a big picnic without the objectlessness of a picnic. I've never been so well or happy. No one grumbles at one for being dirty." ... Julian Grenfell's picnic was soon over. He died from wounds on April 30th, 1915. He was 27 years old.
    I got the quote from here [greatwar.nl], which is a great WWI web-site.
  • Amazon (Score:5, Interesting)

    by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @10:35AM (#23838993)
    It's $10.20 (paper back) on Amazon [amazon.com].

    or you can get it on line from the us army at Us.army.mil.
    see FMI 3-07.22

    The FAS has the 2004-2006 version posted here [fas.org]

    No story. move along.
  • Re:War is fun! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by idontgno ( 624372 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @10:52AM (#23839239) Journal
    "It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it."

    Robert E. Lee

  • Re:War is fun! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Ubergrendle ( 531719 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @11:06AM (#23839447) Journal
    "While I somehow doubt you are a 'Conservative Republican', you do realize the document was written in 1994? Just like Bush 'faked' the Iraq WMD stuff in 1998, two years before he was elected so Congress would pass the Iraq Liberation Act, now he's being blamed for a 1994 (purported) anti-terrorism manual? You libs are too much."

    While i agree tying this document directly to Bush's foreign policy is a non-starter, I have to counter your claim re: WMD. Between Hans Blix's investigations in Iraq (inconclusive at best) and the CIA's complete refute of the Nigerian uranium story, W Bush's Iraq policy was based on false evidence used to mislead supporters.
  • Re:War is fun! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @11:32AM (#23839897)

    The manual that then follows is no worse than say Machievelli's "The Prince". or more apropos Sun Tzu "the art of war".

    "The Prince" is considered by many to be a handbook for being a successful, evil dictator. I don't recall anything of the sort in "the art of war" which is part philosophy and part tactics.

    And some people think the world is on top a stack of turtles.
    The prince is amoral not immoral. The idea is to separate the how and the why, then learn from the how. If it makes you reflect on the why then that's only good.

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