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FCC Dealt Setback In BPL Push 177

SonicSpike writes in with word that an appeals court has dealt a setback to the FCC's plans to encourage broadband over power lines. The court ruled that the FCC erred when it withheld parts of the studies it had used in arriving at its position on BPL. The court did not rule that the FCC's decision was incorrect or that it should be revisited. According to the article, about 5,000 people nationwide subscribe to BPL in 35 pilot projects. We've been discussing BPL for years. "...a federal appeals court has sided in part with amateur radio operators who challenged rules designed to speed the nascent Internet service's rollout. When setting rules for BPL operators nearly two years ago, the Federal Communications Commission said it was trying to encourage deployment of a 'third pipe' to compete with cable and DSL services, while establishing limits aimed at protecting public safety, maritime, radio-astronomy, aeronautical navigation, and amateur radio operators from harmful interference. The American Radio Relay League, which represents amateur... radio operators, however, promptly sued the agency, contending that the FCC's approach was insufficient to ward off interference with its radios and inconsistent with its previous rules. On Friday, the U.S. Appeals Court for the District of Columbia on Friday issued a ruling (PDF) that took issue with the way the FCC arrived at its rules."
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FCC Dealt Setback In BPL Push

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  • !Data (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Gewalt ( 1200451 ) on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @08:06PM (#23926667)
    My father in law lives in west bumfuck, farmland. They tried for years to get BPL working there. But the sad fact of reality is that powerlines just arent up to the task. His community sunk massive funds into that project and they only ever managed to serve like 10 customers. And it was slow. And they all left for some type of LoS wi-fi. (I know not the underlying tech that went in, but its several towers at the tops of hills, and he himself had to install a 4 story tower in his yard.) They have all been very pleased with their wi-fi. And it was much cheaper than the powerline nonsense.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @08:14PM (#23926747)

    old enough that the link to the court ruling returns 404 not found

    correct link [uscourts.gov]

  • FCC sucks (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mrsteveman1 ( 1010381 ) on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @08:29PM (#23926887)

    Perhaps if they would get off their ass and do something about the non-competition in the market they wouldn't be having to go out of their way to find poor solutions.

    Competition between classes isn't competition.

  • by postbigbang ( 761081 ) on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @08:37PM (#23927001)

    You can't scrap the laws of physics. And amateur radio operators were the first hackers. Wait until you're in a flood, a hurricane, or another natural disaster.

    Or the next time you try to watch TV, listen to a radio, you'll use technology that hams invented, tested, retested, and helped put towards commercial use for your convenience.

    Hams are hackers..... and were, far before your great grandfather was born.

  • by Awptimus Prime ( 695459 ) on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @08:38PM (#23927009)

    Agreed, we need regulation. Back in the 1970's I had a nice Bearcat Citizen's Band radio with an antenna on a mast and linear amplifier to run right at the legal limit. Back then, these waves were similar to the local Internet chat room of today except you likely knew the folks you were talking to in real life, assisting drivers with directions, etc. Plus we all used snazzy handles just like on the Internet today.

    Starting in probably 79, a lot of people started using linear amps that were so powerful, you could pick their signal up from 30+ miles away and it would drown out channels above and below the one you'd be monitoring. These people were so ungodly annoying because you would not be able to respond to them, as they are out of range of probably 90% of the people who were getting their signal, and causing general mayhem for folks trying to hold down a conversation miles away.

    If it hadn't been for the above, I probably never would have cared or understood, but just knowing how annoying random people can be with radio technology when enforcement is weak, makes me like the idea of reasonable regulations. If anything interferes with current radio infrastructure, it needs to go back to the drawing board until something is improved. It only takes five minutes with a portable scanner to see how many non-data, critical services are managed via radio and it's reasonable to suggest that any change to those would be far more expensive to society than not running Internet over power lines unless they are reasonably shielded.

  • by Clueless Moron ( 548336 ) on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @09:04PM (#23927233)

    Spun the dial on a shortwave radio lately?

    The vast bulk of traffic that takes place on it is commercial and military, not ham.

    It's just that hams, having the technical savvy, were the first to raise a stink about it.

  • by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @09:05PM (#23927239) Journal

    How would it interfere with emergency services?

    BPL carriers are in the 10-30 MHz range, and public safety is typically in the 800 MHz band.

  • Correction: trunked (frequency hopping) public safety is in the 800MHZ band (usually). Many fire departments, police departments and the like haven't bought or don't use (for whatever reason) trunking systems. The sherrif's dispatch where I live is 47.9 MHZ.
  • by colfer ( 619105 ) on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @09:45PM (#23927569)

    Ironically, radio interference played a role in the biggest natural disaster in this area (I am replying to my own post). In 1969 the largest hurricane in US history [wikipedia.org] jumped 800 miles inland and killed 157 people here in the mountains. Emergency response was hampered by a radio silence zone established to protect the Green Bank National Radio Astronomy Observatory several counties away in West Virginia.

  • by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) * <bruce@perens.com> on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @11:40PM (#23928737) Homepage Journal
    The Radio Quiet Zone still exists, but the observatory works effectively these days with local hams to make sure they can communicate and that there will be working repeaters, etc. when the next emergency comes up.
  • by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) * <bruce@perens.com> on Tuesday June 24, 2008 @11:43PM (#23928761) Homepage Journal
    What do Luxemburg, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands do?

    Mostly let the EU run things.

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