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Firefox 3 Already Rules the Roost 591

Barence writes in with a data point on Firefox 3 adoption: it's been available for 10 days, and already one site is seeing 55% of its Firefox-using visitors on version 3. "Microsoft still has three out of ten people running an old version of its browser more than 18 months after Internet Explorer 7 launched, while Firefox has converted more than half of its users to the latest version in just over a week. That should set a few alarm bells ringing in Redmond."
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Firefox 3 Already Rules the Roost

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  • by Illbay ( 700081 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:18PM (#23968793) Journal
    "Microsoft still has three out of ten people running an old version of its browser more than 18 months after Internet Explorer 7 launched..."


    Look, my father-in-law knows NOTHING about computing, but a LOT about using the Internet. We bought him a computer several years ago. His browser?

    IE5, of course. Why? Because that's what was installed on the machine when we bought it.

    The majority of people who THINK about what browser they use, use something other than IE. Firefox 3 is obviously a great leap forward for the Mozilla brand, and...well, there you go.

  • by MBCook ( 132727 ) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:21PM (#23968865) Homepage

    I can't upgrade IE.

    Since large bits of my job involve web interfaces to various systems, I have to make sure things still render right on IE 6. Since you can't run 6 and 7 on the same machine, I stay on 6. When I need to check 7 I ask a coworker who has upgraded to check it out.

    Of course, I use FF for everything because IE 6 was so far behind. Seven has improvements, but I still find annoyances, and I'm happily used to FF.

    Then again, I can't go to FF3 quite yet either. Needs to be a little bigger than 50% (at a tech heavy site). I'd like to see the numbers for Yahoo or Google.

  • My own site stats (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BigBadBus ( 653823 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:26PM (#23968969) Homepage
    My own website, admittedly very modest, shows that Firefox 3 has only a 3% share, but it has grown more rapidly than any other browser I have seen since I started collating statistics (February 2007): the numbers are here: http://www.paullee.com/computers/index.html [paullee.com] and were only updated 2 days ago. Funnily enough, my logs show that there are people still using MSIE 4, MSIE 5 ... as well as Windows 95, and Win3.1 ! Upgrade, guys, upgrade!

    PS Sorry for the small sizes of the graphs. Gnumeric was having a bad day :(

  • by r1v3t3d ( 1266554 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:32PM (#23969085)
    As a part-time web developer, I am less than surprised. Making sites compatible for multiple browsers is always a chore, but IE makes it damn near impossible to play nice. After all, it is the only browser left that doesn't conform to W3C standards, and cannot interpret CSS correctly to save its own life. I usually have multiple browsers installed on any of my machines, but there's only one that I refuse...
  • Re:Great (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:35PM (#23969141)

    Maybe you should complain to the right people next time.

    You mean like the people who broke backwards compatibility and made needless API changes?

  • by hal9000(jr) ( 316943 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:37PM (#23969169)
    I manage a blog where most of the users are authors and they are not technical folks that might visit a site like pcpro on a regular basis. You might say they are average folk.

    In the last few months, I have been seeing an increase in firefox from maybe 10% in January to close to 45% today. Of that 45% of FF users, 23% are already using FF3. I think that is pretty impressive. By comparison, 52% use IE and the majority of them, 67% use IE7.
  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by bigstrat2003 ( 1058574 ) * on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:40PM (#23969215)

    IE survives on inertia, not quality.

    So does Firefox. IE7 and Firefox are basically equal in terms of features, unless you care about add-ons (and personally, I have yet to see one FF addon that excites me). Firefox used to be better than IE, mostly because it had tabs. Now IE has tabs, and the playing field is level again.

  • I don't think so (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:49PM (#23969377)

    Uh, I don't think so.

    I'm looking at today's logs for a general purpose web site that I host and it's not that way at all.

    For 2,564 unique visitors, with 84,000 requests, there were 2,803 requests from Firefox 2.x, and 714 requests from FireFox 3.0.

    In contrast, IE 7.0 had 26,370 requests and IE 6.0 had 19,982.

    Granted this is a relatively "small" sample, but it's all from today's traffic, and the site is not targeted at any particular demographic (power users, etc).

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by seether166 ( 966881 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:55PM (#23969491)
    So you like ads? Honestly, vanilla feature sets aside, yeah, FF and IE are similar. I think IE took one more major release to get tabbed browsing though. That's a big one. But AdBlock is the real reason I use FF. AdBlock is like the DVR of the Internet for me in that it saves me from commercials and makes its respective medium bearable. But then, I abhor ads too.
  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bigstrat2003 ( 1058574 ) * on Friday June 27, 2008 @12:58PM (#23969553)
    I just ignore ads, and do so with ease. I never understood the need for an addon to do it, but maybe I'm just really good at ignoring ads or something. Some can be really nasty, but the majority I run into are easily filtered out mentally.

    Come to think of it, that'll be a good comeback to the snarky "Oh, TFA has ads? I didn't notice, cause I use adblock" comments... "Oh, you use adblock? How quaint, I trained my mind to do that ages ago."

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gfody ( 514448 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:03PM (#23969615)

    IE7 and Firefox are basically equal in terms of features, unless you care about add-ons (and personally, I have yet to see one FF addon.......

    There is no way this is not a troll. If not, I am thoroughly dumbfounded how anyone can fail to find value in the pure nuggets of gold that are ff extensions.

  • by sidnelson13 ( 1309391 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:05PM (#23969645)

    And that won't change until OEM companies start actually caring about the software they install as default on their computers.

    Why don't we see SpyBot S&D installed by default? Why not Firefox (or any other browser other than IE for that matter)? Why don't we get Avast Home or AVG instead of a bloated Norton/McAffee Evaluation? CD Recorder Software? Office Utilities?

    Capitalism: The best product is always the one from the highest bidder!

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by lilomar ( 1072448 ) <lilomar2525@gmail.com> on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:06PM (#23969679) Homepage

    Adblock and NoScript aside (and with them shorter loading times) the spell checker is still a killer feature for me.

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by darkpixel2k ( 623900 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:15PM (#23969845)
    IE7 and Firefox are basically equal in terms of features, unless you care about add-ons

    ...or that when IE7 crashes I lose all my tabs.
    ...or I close a tab accidentally in IE7 and want it back...no undo.
    ...or how IE7 uses totally intuitive shortcuts like when I right-click on a link and expect to his 't' for opening a new tab, but IE7 uses the totally intuitive 'w' for new tab which should actually be for new window.
    ...or how I can't change those keys in IE7 to suit my preference.

    Do I need to continue?
  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by m.ducharme ( 1082683 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:37PM (#23970297)

    Correlation is not causation, and I think there is some legitimate doubt as to whether advertising, subliminal or otherwise, really does work. I wish I weren't at work and could take the time to google it more thoroughly, but I was under the impression that current research showed advertising's primary effect is just to brand a product, and that the advsertising only gets you to recognize a brand, not to prefer it. In other words, Coca Cola's advertising, doesn't make you want more Coca cola, it just makes sure you don't forget that Coke exists.

    I do recall watching a presentation online given by Google's CTO, in which the CTO demonstrates their use of eye-tracking equipment to analyse web pages. The subject didn't look once at any of the visual advertizing on a given web page, not once.

  • Corp vs home (Score:2, Interesting)

    by heffrey ( 229704 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:41PM (#23970359)

    Those FF installs will all be personal users, the majority of IE users are on corp desktops. Need you look further.

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by devjj ( 956776 ) * on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:42PM (#23970389)
    All you've really said is FF offers nothing for you. You are clearly an exception to the rule. The only people I know who still run IE do so out of ignorance of the option. Most people still just use "the browser" that came with the OS. You would be surprised how many people don't even realize they have an option. To that point, everyone I've introduced to FF still runs it.
  • by bigstrat2003 ( 1058574 ) * on Friday June 27, 2008 @01:43PM (#23970405)

    So when you come across a site that has content that you enjoy, but also contains annoying ads

    Then I have a decision... but I also have yet to have this happen. I have found a pretty high correlation between sites with terrible ads and sites with completely idiotic (in my view, at least) content.

    That's quite a minority opinion, and yet you don't understand why people don't agree with you?

    I understand it perfectly well. I just don't agree.

  • by Hal_Porter ( 817932 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @02:02PM (#23970751)

    Even worse look at this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Present_to_1999 [wikipedia.org]
    Q1 - 2000
    IE - 79.09%
    Netscape - 19.25%
    FF - not launched
    Opera - 0.13%
    Safari - not launched

    Team IE has 79.09%, Team Netscape/FF have 19.25%, Opera has 0.13%

    Q1 - 2008
    IE - 78.80%
    Netscape - 0.06%
    FF - 15.87%
    Opera - 0.79%
    Safari - 3.32%

    Hmm, IE is doing about the same, Netscape/IE have lost about 17% of their market share (19.25% down to 15.87). Opera has gone from 0.13% to 0.79% and Safari has gone from nothing to 3.32%.

    But here's the key thing, the total non IE share has stayed constant, the only change has really been people converting from Firefox to Safari, presumably as they bought Macs, since Safari has essentially no market share on Windows.

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JPLemme ( 106723 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @02:35PM (#23971257)

    He didn't say people don't respond to ads, or even that *he* doesn't respond to ads. He said the subliminal thing is hogwash.

    Coke ads try to associate Coke with a good time, with youth, and with friendship. What, exactly, would they stick in there "subliminally" that they aren't trying to create an association with...liminally?

    Not to mention that every study of "subliminal" advertising has debunked it as BS. I'll take my psuedo-science on astrology.com; I'd rather not have to deal with it on /.

  • Re:Great (Score:3, Interesting)

    by prockcore ( 543967 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @02:50PM (#23971535)

    I like the awesomebar. So now mozilla gets to choose between supporting me, or supporting you. Sucks to be you.

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TobyRush ( 957946 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @02:58PM (#23971665) Homepage

    This doesn't really seem like it should be a mystery.

    Tom is a computer guy. Some of his top visited sites are sourceforge, slashdot and his own LEGO Mindstorms blog. His home machine runs the latest nightly build of Linux and he can speak fluent hexadecimal. He uses Firefox because he detests the business practices of Microsoft, he appreciates the interface design and standards-compliance of FF, and understands the importance of supporting open source programming.

    Harry is a guy who uses a computer. Some of his top visited sites are the Microsoft Start Page and Yahoo! Games. His home machine is a color television. He uses IE because, to him, the little "e" icon is what his trainer told him to click on to get on the internet.

    Which if these folks, do you think, is going to have upgraded to the latest version of his web browser?

  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ksd1337 ( 1029386 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @03:10PM (#23971873)
    Pfft. I don't need FF3. I just use Lynx. Hell, I can even view porn with it, there's this site called asciipr0n...
  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bennettj1087 ( 1315501 ) <bennettj1087NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday June 27, 2008 @03:27PM (#23972203) Homepage

    ...it could require a fairly heavy overhaul for modern browsers.

    That's absolutely correct. I'm currently working on a web application at the corporation I work for. It's been so badly coded (long before I arrived) that making it compatible with IE7 (not to mention Firefox or any other browsers) would be a nightmare that would probably take our development team a year to complete. And I'm not certain I entirely agree with you on the interface point. I think major interface changes between versions of a program are huge deterrents to upgrading for many people.

  • by Mista2 ( 1093071 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @03:38PM (#23972389)
    Thats what happened to me. Firefox looked nice and was the first opensource project I used. I thought, "This is pretty good" Then I tried Open Office and the Gimp. After that I was hooked. openSuse was the next new OS upgrade for me, and the opensource "heroin" had me hooked. I havn't visited a crappy shareware download site in over 2 years. I have had 0 problems with malware on my machine in that time. Infact I chuckle when a site pops up a very windows-like dialog claiming my registry is corrups and can be fixwed by simply downloading unknown-stuff-up-your-pc.exe and running it.
  • Re:Why alarm bells? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Matheus ( 586080 ) on Friday June 27, 2008 @05:11PM (#23974027) Homepage

    Great analogy. Another point to add: Until Vista I do believe (maybe OEM XP SP2 but I haven't seen) Microsoft was still shipping Windows with IE 6. Ergo your Harry type person is still being given the older browser to start with their nice shiny new PC up until you *really can't get XP anymore.

    IE7 is a whole WORLD better than IE6. I wish they'd make IE6 disappear altogether but I'll just have to wait until widespread extinction.

    FF3 has found at least a few ways to disappoint me so far (install issues, occasional freeze ups on page load, old plugins broken and taking a while to get up to speed, annoying intercepts that I haven't figured out how to turn off yet) but I'm enjoying it not stealing all of my memory and bogging down my machine like FF2 did.

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