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How Asus Recovery Disks Ended Up Carrying Software Cracks 241

Posted by timothy
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Anthony_Cargile writes "We all now know about Asus shipping illegal software cracks and confidential documents/source code on their recovery DVD (and in the system root), but this article tells exactly how it happened. It's even more careless than you think, and most likely an accident."
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How Asus Recovery Disks Ended Up Carrying Software Cracks

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  • TFA (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21, 2008 @11:26PM (#25099847)

    Asus Recovery DVD scandal: How it happened
    Posted by anthony Published in Security, Software

    For those who havenâ(TM)t already heard, the PC OEM company Asus was involved in a major scandal where a directory on the recovery DVD and inside c:\Windows\ConfigSetRoot\ contained a software crack for the WinRar program, software serial numbers, a resume (presumably for a now-jobless Asus employee), an internal Asus powerpoint describing âoeknown compatibility issuesâ, Asus source code, and even an OEM issued Microsoft document, which mainly says âoedo not distribute DR-DOS with any computersâ.

    We now know from an OEM source how exactly the files got where they did in the first place, and it isnâ(TM)t very surprising.

    An Asus representative said they would be investigating the matter, and while someone is still going to lose their job over this just so Asus can say so, the way the files made it to thousands of PCs is pretty common.

    An OEM employee (name not mentioned here) discussing the matter said that during the vista installs, the generic vista disc installing the OS looks for an XML file (unattend.xml) on a flash drive, and upon finding it the installation parses it and runs the XML code as installation instructions so nobody has to go through the installation menu for the hundreds of synchronous installations (hence the unattend).

    BUT⦠there is another twist: If a certain tag or attribute is present, all files other than unattend.xml itself on the flash drive will be copied to c:\windows\configsetroot - see the connection?

    So apparently an Asus employee happened to have a personal flash drive, and stored his resume (presumeably, conspiracy theorists may disagree) as well as a few âharmlessâ(TM) keygens and serials on it as well, in his defence in case maybe he lost the serial to winrar or other programs. Apparently the same employee used the flash drive to store or back up confidential Asus documents and source code, as well.

    So if the Asus internally distributed unattend.xml file was copied to this unnamed (and jobless) employeeâ(TM)s personal flash drive, and included the xml tag/attribute to copy over everything to the system root and, therefore, recovery DVD as well, then voila! Then the only way somebody could come under fire because of this is because of oh, I donâ(TM)t know, not checking the installation root once everything was installed!

    So now we know HOW exactly this whole ordeal was started, and there is a lesson to be learned hereâ¦. somewhere.

    • by RudeIota (1131331) on Monday September 22, 2008 @02:50AM (#25100809) Homepage

      and stored his resume (presumeably, conspiracy theorists may disagree) as well as a few ÃharmlessÃ(TM) keygens and serials on it as well

      ... So, are you implying that you're a coincidence theorist???

    • Re:TFA (Score:5, Funny)

      by blind biker (1066130) on Monday September 22, 2008 @05:19AM (#25101419) Journal

      So apparently an Asus employee happened to have a personal flash drive, and stored his resume

      If that really was his/her resume, I doubt it will do much good to him/her, now.

      I love the twist, though: "I worked for 3 years at Asus, but I, er, decided to move on now. Oh, BTW: you can find my resume on your Asus recovery disk - isn't that convenient!"

    • Re:TFA (Score:4, Interesting)

      by SenseiLeNoir (699164) on Monday September 22, 2008 @08:49AM (#25103257)

      My real worry is that it may not even be the person mentioned in the CV at fault.

      Assume the following scenario.

      X has a USB drive with confidential infomation, which he keeps in his desks, it may even be a backup of sorts.

      Y is a trainee/intern who is doing an OEM machine image. He gets his instructions which say "get a USB drive to perform the next steps". He doesnt have a USB flash drive, so he asks X if he can borrow a USB flash drive to "install something"

      X, who may be busy and mislead by the rather vague request may think that Y wants to download something from the internet. A driver or something, and says, "sure use the drive on my desk, do not delete anything"

      Y follows the instructions, and the debacle above happens, but no-one knows yet, and the above exchange is forgotten. Maybe Y is an intern and has even left the company by now. .. some time later....

      the excrement hits the fan, and X looses his job.

    • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

      by Machtyn (759119)
      Okay, here's the thing I would like to know. Why is Microsoft banning the use of DR DOS? Does Microsoft own DR DOS or is this more of the anti-competitive, monopolistic practices that Microsoft employs to attempt to rid the world of things like Netscape Navigator?
  • by RGRistroph (86936) <rgristroph@gmail.com> on Sunday September 21, 2008 @11:29PM (#25099867) Homepage

    I can how an internal ASUS USB flash disk with an unattend.xml file on it, might get used to move documents around, and then also get used to install windows.

    That might explain how certain documents got put on a lot of harddrives inside ASUS.

    It doesn't explain how that directly ended up being part of what they made an ISO out of, and how no one apparently did quality control and checked every single file on a CD before it was replicated and sent out to the world.

    • by Free the Cowards (1280296) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @11:42PM (#25099941)

      First rule of internal company dynamics: they are not nearly as well staffed, as organized, as thorough, or as competent as you think they are. They are in all probability just as quick and careless as you would be doing the same thing.

      • by PopeRatzo (965947) * on Monday September 22, 2008 @06:07AM (#25101759) Homepage Journal

        First rule of internal company dynamics: they are not nearly as well staffed, as organized, as thorough, or as competent as you think they are.

        At least not any more.

        As long as a company's stock price gets rewarded by Wall Street for laying off employees, we're going to see stressed corporations.

        Remember that really slow guy in QA who took forever to write his reports, and was getting a little gray, and was making more than a lot of us because he'd been with the company forever? He was the guy who would catch these stupid mistakes.

        But he was laid off when we got "lean and mean".

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21, 2008 @11:44PM (#25099965)

      As an employee of an OEM that does these installs all day long, I can say they really messed up. Using an unattend.XML from a flash drive is BAD. Using a USB drive that has anything else on it is WORSE. Having illegal software and ND docs on the MFG floor, on an unsecure USB drive, next to your install scripts, is enough to get you FIRED.

      And to other comments...Yes, we do look at nearly EVERY SINGLE FILE, including c:\Windows\ConfigSetRoot\. If you send out for 100k recovery DVDs, you want to make sure they are correct.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 22, 2008 @07:14AM (#25102197)

        I used to produce computer magazine coverdiscs, and have also written several computer books with CD/DVDs attached. Millions of my authored CDs/DVDs have been produced, maybe more.

        I am FREAKING PARANOID that anything untoward might get onto the disks that shouldn't be there. Once sent to the duplicator, there's no turning back. I personally have spent hours checking each and every file on discs that I've made, even going so far to check file dates to ensure files haven't been tampered with accidentally (maybe I've discovered a new bug that causes files to be mixed with, say, porn). I check them on different operating systems, and either delete hidden system files (.thumbs etc), or open them in a hex/text editor to see what they contain.

        Also, and this is a golden rule, if you're producing a CD/DVD for distribution, you MUST USE A CLEAN COMPUTER. Luckily virtual machines make this a lot easier because you can keep the OS and the virtual file system clean -- nothing gets onto the virtual file system unless it's downloaded (provided you turn off file network sharing of course).

        • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 22, 2008 @07:23AM (#25102251)

          Once I had a phone call from a lady who claimed my magazine coverdisc was distributing porn. It was a real "holy crap" of a moment, because I had to admit that it was possible -- our coverdiscs went through many hands during compilation, and it was possible.

          I asked her to explain more, and it turned out she'd installed a screen saver slideshow application that was on the disc. Hmmm... I looked into it and the screensaver applicaiton merely scanned the user's hard disk for pictures, and then presented them in a slideshow.

          Ah. The porn pics weren't on our disc. They were on her computer. I communicated this to her in as many words. She denied any possibility of porn being on her disk but, upon further questioning, it transpired the only other user of the computer was her son... Who was 14. Yeah. OK. But it couldn't be him, she said. He wouldn't be into... this kind of thing. So she continued to blame us, even though she knew that I was probably right. I eventually hung up as she was threatning to call her lawyers. We never heard a peep out of her after this.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by JoeMerchant (803320)

        As an employee of an OEM that does these installs all day long, I can say they really messed up.....

        Yeah, but I bet you don't work for an asian vendor of cost competitive commodity goods. Sure there are procedures to prevent this, sure they don't cost much to implement, but the culture that enforces the kind of safeguards you mention does actually ingrain cost into the product along with quality.

        It's much more cost effective to fire a couple of guys as an example and continue with business as usual, especially when the majority of your customer base doesn't really care.

  • Crack vs. Foss (Score:5, Insightful)

    by O('_')O_Bush (1162487) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @11:30PM (#25099875)
    FTA:
    "c:\Windows\ConfigSetRoot\ contained a software crack for the WinRar program...

    So apparently an Asus employee happened to have a personal flash drive, and stored his resume (presumeably, conspiracy theorists may disagree) as well as a few harmless keygens and serials on it.."

    It amazes me that this employee chose illegal means of getting an archiving program instead of using a FOSS solution such as 7-zip ( http://www.7-zip.org/).

    I know some companies have protocols for handling FOSS software, but this should have never have happened if the employee had just turned to his company's legal department for obtaining software licenses.
    • "It amazes me that this employee chose illegal means of getting an archiving program instead of using a FOSS solution such as 7-zip ( http://www.7-zip.org/ [7-zip.org])."

      Why should it be surprising? The idea that attitudes don't have consequences should have been debunked.

    • I know some companies have protocols for handling FOSS software, but this should have never have happened if the employee had just turned to his company's legal department for obtaining software licenses.

      Sometimes the process for purchase requests can be anal, as can be managers who are running a department on an overstretched budget. I'm not at all surprised employees find easier and more timely solutions to their problems.

      That said, I agree with you. If you can't afford WinRAR there are other solutions that don't involve piracy.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        WinRAR is $30, for something that inexpensive I'd send an email to whoever handles purchasing requesting the software and reminding them that if I have to come explain to them why I need it, the waste of both our time will cost the company more than just buying the program in the first place.

        It's always worked for me, your mileage may vary.

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Fackamato (913248)
          Then again WinRAR has no purpose. 7zip ( http://www.7-zip.org/ [7-zip.org] ) is superior and free, actually even Open Source.
          • by TJamieson (218336)

            Wrong -- For many, WinRAR gets better compression than 7zip, and 7zip cannot create RARs.

        • The price is not usually the problem.
          I currently work for a large company and I needed an SSH client for my *berry.
          This client enables the 24*7 dept. I work with to quickly diagnose problems and implement quick fixes.
          The licence was only $90 but the purchase required someone to put a Credit card number on a web form.
          No-one in the purchasing dept. has a company credit card, much less an idea of how to use it.

          I ended up buying the licence myself and having the company buy me a 500GB USB disk.
          And, yes, this or

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by deniable (76198)

        Yep, the price itself is usually less of a problem than figuring out how to pay for something. First, there is the paperwork. Then you have to see if the supplier is set up by Accounting. Then you may have to make a cost justification. Then you run into the 'we don't pay for things online, do they have a mailing address and can we get thirty days credit' line from the Accounting people. It's quicker and easier to get a cracked copy than jump through all of the hoops for a cheap item.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by tftp (111690)

      It amazes me that this employee chose illegal means of getting an archiving program instead of using a FOSS solution such as 7-zip

      Compare GUIs of those two programs. 7-Zip's GUI is quite bad. Also 7-Zip does not have the "Move" function where your files are archived and deleted. I use WinZip for that since the company has it licensed. I also have 7-Zip installed, but as I said it's GUI is very rudimentary, IIRC lacking buttons for many obvious functions.

      This is actually a well known effect of piracy on

      • by pizzach (1011925)

        I have a few questions but just to warn you I have been out of touch with GUI archival programs for a while. Also I only really only use zip/tar/rar from the command line because I can automate the crap of of things.

        I'm a bit surprise that Winzip is still around. Doesn't Windows since XP have built in GUI archival tools? When Mac OS X moved away from Stuffit, so did most of it's users. I would have expected a similar move by Windows users.

        • by baxissimo (135512)

          The Zip archiver built into Windows (XP and Vista) is horribly HORRIBLY slow compared to WinRAR.
          Probably most mom and pop users get along fine with it, but if you work with big archives a lot, it starts to get annoying fast. Also Windows only supports zip by default. If you've got to open a .gz .bz2 .7z .rar .lzo or .lzh then it's no use.

          That said, I haven't used WinZip in a long time. The interface on that thing was wretched. Worse than 7zip's even, so you might as well go with 7zip in that case. WinR

    • by mgblst (80109)

      Because 7-zip if shit and doesn't handle a lot of zip formats. I wish it was better, but we would always have it falling over, where it gets stuck for 30 minutes while it figures out that it can't understand that file.

      • 7-zip doesn't handle what zip formats? For your convenience, here is a list of the file extensions it recognizes (you can guess the associated compression algorithms):

        7z, arj, bz2, bzip2, cab, cpio, deb, dmg, gz, gzip, hfs, iso, lha, lzh, lzma, rar, rpm, split, swm, tar, taz, tbz, tbz2, tgz, tpz, wim, xar, z, zip

        I would venture to guess that there are 7-zip plugins to handle other formats. What else do you want from 7-zip (besides a decent GUI)?

        In my personal, anecdotal experience, I have never had 7-zip

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by mgblst (80109)

          I have had problems using 7-zip on new winzip created zip files. I am not the only one to have this problem in my company. We wish we could get rid of Winzip, but we can't since out clients use it (not from bittorrent, wanker!) uses it. You do know that zip has different compression algorithms within it (not 7z, arj, just zip!). This is the problem, 7-zip doesn't handle the latest ones.

          All I want from 7-zip is as I said, for it to work, and it not to waste 30 minutes figuring out it can't handle a file.

          In m

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by zz99 (742545)
      ASUS has a lot of its workforce in mainland China, where most of the installed software, both personal and on company computers, is pirated. Officially the government is against piracy, and at regular intervals raids are conducted in visual places, but at the whole I don't think they will shed any tears if MS looses licensing revenues. The better the anti piracy control is the more people will use FOSS. Because piracy disrupts the free market. If you can get something worth $200 for free, why choose somet
    • by dissy (172727)

      It amazes me that this employee chose illegal means of getting an archiving program instead of using a FOSS solution such as 7-zip ( http://www.7-zip.org/ [7-zip.org]).

      I know some companies have protocols for handling FOSS software, but this should have never have happened if the employee had just turned to his company's legal department for obtaining software licenses.

      From the files I've seen on this disc, the krack wasn't the type to register winrar, it was the type to remove/recover the password on a rar archive.

      Last I checked, 7zip would not read rar files, let alone extract the password of the rar file for you, nor do I know of any free open source program to extract/remove the password on a rar file (Though I must admit I haven't looked for one.)

      Even if there is another DVD different from mine with the actual 'register or remove the nag screen of winrar' type of kra

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by CCFreak2K (930973)

        Last I checked, 7zip would not read rar files

        It most certainly can read RAR files, but I'm not sure if it will extract from password-protected RARs.

  • Could have been me (Score:5, Insightful)

    by InlawBiker (1124825) on Sunday September 21, 2008 @11:56PM (#25100029)

    I am completely unsurprised. When I heard about it I thought, "Oh, some jackball inadvertently copied his personal files via some install script. That's pretty funny."

    I personally have the exact same stuff on my thumb drive - my resume and some cracking tools. As we all know, nobody tests their own work. That's why testers have jobs.

    So he screwed up - at least he has a good story to tell!

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Morkalin (992168)

      As we all know, nobody tests their own work.

      Speak for yourself.

    • by this great guy (922511) on Monday September 22, 2008 @01:12AM (#25100383)

      I personally have the exact same stuff on my thumb drive - my resume and some cracking tools.

      Hello, this is John, your boss's boss from Asus. We found your thumb drive plugged in one of our server used to build Vista images. Are you available monday 9:00am for a quick meeting ? We need to have a little talk.

      PS: bring 1 or 2 empty boxes.

      -John

    • I personally have the exact same stuff on my thumb drive - my resume and some cracking tools.
      What is important to learn is to learn from mistakes. Some learn from other's mistakes. Others wait till it happens to them. This is why proceedures are put into place. Often they are there to prevent common mistakes. Bypassing written proceedures is a gateway to making known types of mistakes.

      Thumb drives are nice, but what exactly is your company policy regarding their use?

      The one hanging on my employee badge

      • by houghi (78078)

        The company should make it unpossible to mix the two. Is that even possible on a technical level, or is that just sloving a social problem with a technical solution?

        • by Whiteox (919863)

          There are severe technical difficulties securing most OS against USB based drives. There are complicated registry hacks in Windows to try and prevent thumb drive access (R/W) as there doesn't seem to be a group policy to govern this.
          Some computers have USB disconnected and/or plugged up to prevent access. So there is no easy technical solution.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by mea_culpa (145339)

      Having dealt with ASUS over the last 10 years I am not surprised that such carelessness happens within their organization. In the late 90s and early 2000s I probably had 500 or more of their motherboards in use at various small businesses. Early on I had a great deal of confidence in their product, never had any defects so never had to deal with their company. This was very rare at that time. That was until their A7x series of motherboards came along. Countless failed NB fans, intermittent PS/2 port failure

    • at least he has a good story to tell! ...and a lot of free time in which to tell it.

  • by Matt Perry (793115) <perry.matt54NO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Monday September 22, 2008 @12:08AM (#25100091)

    I always get keygens and cracks for software I buy as a safety measure, and test them in a virtual machine to make sure they work. With all the phone home activation that software does these days I don't want to have to call a vendor and beg for access to to software I've already paid for when Windows takes a nose dive. What if the vendor doesn't support that version any more and doesn't want to give me a new activation key? What if the vendor is bought or goes out of business? If I reach that point I can at least use the keygen or crack to protect my investment.

    I can't fault anyone for having keygens for their apps.

    • by NotQuiteReal (608241) on Monday September 22, 2008 @12:22AM (#25100147) Journal
      I just back up my keys.

      I have one key that is over 10 years old, that was updated by the company from an 8 digit code to a more secure 6-groups-of-5-alphanumeric code that still works.

      Never needed a crack, and the key takes up a lot less space. Plus it I know it isn't a trojan program or a virus.

      • by powerspike (729889) on Monday September 22, 2008 @12:44AM (#25100251)
        It's not that easy anymore, programs like windows, anti virus software just to name a few, require you to either phone a number to active the software, or connect to the internet, if you don't do that, it won't run until you do. Now add in they usally only let you install the software X number of times per key/product, your going to be screwed in ten years if you need to activate software from today. Safely storing your serial/product keys these days for long term use is pretty useless.
        • Safely storing your serial/product keys these days for long term use is pretty useless.

          Using software that needs to connect to the mother ship to ask permission is pretty useless when there are plenty of alternatives.

          I keep the keys for my older software as barcodes for easy entry with a barcode gun for quick reinstalls. Chance of accidental deletion or copy is pretty nil. They are pasted on the CD boxes.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by DigiShaman (671371)

      Let be real ok? 99.999% of the time someone uses a keygen, it's to pirate software. Hey I've been guilty of it, sure (with Nero Burning rom). But I've also purchased a real key from their website a few months later. The point is, it's still wrong.

      Do you think if I carried a crack pipe in my pocket, I could convince a COP that it's just a goodluck charm? You see my point right?

  • by cyberjock1980 (1131059) on Monday September 22, 2008 @12:30AM (#25100171)

    This is disappointing. A few months back ASUS got into a flamewar with GIGABYTE. GIGABYTE came out and told Tom's Hardware that ASUS used inferior parts, changed their % gains versus their competitor without changing the product whatsoever, and that ASUS's EPU feature is software instead of hardware(meaning it is inferior to GIGABYTE). GIGABYTE did come back and appologize for claiming ASUS used inferior parts(it was found that it was a different vendor's board that contained inferior parts). ASUS threatened to sue any website that talked dirty about ASUS when this all came to light. Check out http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-gigabyte-motherboard,5348.html [tomshardware.com] to read about the GIGABYTE versus ASUS drama. Then check http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-gigabyte-motherboard,5480.html [tomshardware.com] for ASUS suing GIGABYTE for the bad publicity.

    I have been an ASUS user for many years, building many computers with ASUS parts. While GIGABYTE did include some false claims, they did have valid complaints for their other arguements. I was one of the people that was stuck with a motherboard that cost me $250 that didn't do quite what it was supposed to do, and as a result my linux based computer cannot use their power management function(because it is software based). GIGABYTE's is hardware, and is enabled in BIOS and doesn't care which OS you use. This one hit home for me. My computer is on 24x7, and I wanted my computer to be green. Unfortunately that dream will not be a reality with ASUS hardware.

    This again paints a bad picture of the quality work ASUS has been doing lately. I am sure that my next motherboard won't be ASUS. They have lost points with me, and I am going to check out one of the other top tier motherboard companies.

    I have never purchased a motherboard from GIGABYTE, but I'm already looking for motherboards for Nahelem when it comes out next month, and I'm not even looking at what ASUS is offering. Bite me once, shame on you. Bite me twice, shame on me!

    Reasons for leaving ASUS:

    1. Changing your product efficiency % gains after shipping the product for months, AND not changing anything on the product! As if they wouldn't get caught? Competitors are always shopping their other competitors!

    2. They fail to mention that EPU REQUIRES Windows to run. I don't care what ASUS says. If it requires software(Windows based at that!), then it's software based. Even if its hardware functions are enabled by using the software.

    3. Suing anyone who talks about their bad publicity from GIGABYTE. WTF? Seriously, WTF? That's RIAA type behavior, and I will not tolerate that type of child in my house.

    • ASUS and Gigabyte (Score:2, Interesting)

      by phorm (591458)

      The sad thing is that Asus used to be fairly decent, but it does seem that their failed/buggy boards are a bit more common these days.

      On the other hand, Gigabyte doesn't have much to be proud of either. Back when I used them a few years back, their boards gained a notoriety for failure, mainly due to bad capacitors, etc.

      It's funny because since I've moved to cheaper boards I've had less issues with dead hardware, but even if I did I'd rather have to replace hardware that costs half the price.

  • by electrogeist (1345919) on Monday September 22, 2008 @12:38AM (#25100215)
    OEM issued Microsoft document, which mainly says "do not distribute DR-DOS with any computers".

    Is this something recent? Someone have one of these restore CDs to post the text? With the history of bad blood this could be a story in itself

    • by pecosdave (536896)

      I don't think this is the actual document in question, but I found this [slated.org] while looking and I would say it qualifies as interesting and related. I like the reference to "scare tactics".

    • Here is a reference to that [steve-parker.org] but Microsoft made sure the original articles got scrubbed off the Internet. There were things Microsoft did to GEOS, GEM, the Amiga, the Atari ST, Vision, Desqview, etc to discourage OEMS and hardware and software makers from supporting them and only supporting Microsoft products like MS-DOS and Windows instead. Microsoft did the same thing to IBM over OS/2. But most of the articles about that Microsoft had scrubbed off the Internet.

      The history of the Amiga [amigahistory.co.uk] clearly shows its 8-bits roots with the Atari 2600 and Atari 400/800 series that evolved into the Amiga eventually, parallel to the Macintosh.

      In the 1990's PC OEMS were fighting over the Amiga, but were loyal to Microsoft. But Microsoft used the same tactics against the Amiga that they used against DR-DOS, and killed the Amiga by leveraging what OEMS could and could not do and then Gateway had to sell the Amiga division to make Microsoft happy.

      "The press attention to the Microsoft case reveals their relationship with Gateway. Jim Von Holle, a former Gateway employee, describes how the company tried to punish Gateway for the type of software they shipped. Although largely in the background, it became increasingly clear why Gateway chose to develop an alternative to the Windows market. Unfortunately, just a few months later Gateway's relationship with Microsoft regarding their set-top box would have a dramatic effect upon Amiga's plans. Who could have guessed Microsoft would play a major role in the Amigas downfall?"

      I have said it before, but my comments got rated down as troll, by rapid Apple and Microsoft fanboys who hate the Amiga. This time I found the links that prove it.

      It was not just DR-DOS that Microsoft murdered, but the Amiga as well. Apple had a hand in it by forcing Apple dealers to lose their license if they sold Amiga computers as well as Macintoshes. Then later Apple killed the Apple Dealers and did the store within a store and web store to sell Macintoshes as revenge on Apple dealers that still tried to sell Amiga One and Classic Amiga computers along with Macs.

      • I remember the Amiga from the late 80s/early 90s, from the perspective of a gamer/private user. For a while it was superior to a similarly priced PC. But that advantage slipped away as PCs got cheaper and faster, and the supply of games also caught up to the Amiga. When I wanted a replacement for my aging C64 in 1991, the PC already looked more attractive overall. I ended up buying a 386SX then, which was equivalent or superior to the Amiga 3000 (as described on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_ [wikipedia.org]

    • by richlv (778496)

      i think the credibility & age of the document is important. i am actually very surprised that this is ignored in this discussion in favour of discussing various windows archivers. how sad :)
      anybody who could link to the mentioned document ? (i guess anybody with an asus computer ;> )

  • by Whiteox (919863)

    Here is a forum link for one poor unfortunate who managed to get a new non-Asus laptop: http://apcmag.com/Forum.htm?g=posts&t=504 [apcmag.com]
    Here is a screenshot of the config folder: http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4320/8192008120604amaw4.png [imageshack.us]

    So if you've got an affected Asus laptop with a few months of warranty left, you may be able to get a new non-Asus laptop for nix.

  • damn (Score:2, Funny)

    Wow. A 2Mbps line immediately saturated *applause*. Next time, I'll be sure to mirror it elsewhere. At least it was bandwidth this time, last time when I was running this off just one server, it started paging and everything was hosed. This time the individual server loads never topped 0.1, although I'm sure this is partly because of the bottleneck :p. And if anyone is interested in writing for thecoffeedesk.com for /. submissions, PM me or whatever we need writers.

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