Comcast Discontinues Customers' USENET Service 327
An anonymous reader writes "Comcast has discontinued its provided usenet service, once provided to all its high speed customers. First with the cap put on its customers several years ago on amount of traffic provided as part of the customer high-speed package, as of September 16, the service is no longer provided.
Without fanfare, this bastion of the internet is being removed from the mainstream."
So? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Filtered by what? Your newsreader, or your provider?
I have to admit a certain laziness, in that I didn't like most of the newsreaders I tried (they didn't thread properly) and I never went back and tried newer ones later.
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Re:So? (Score:5, Funny)
s/USENET/PlayBoy/
Me for one - I'm not going to miss it. Comcast limited you to a 1G ( I think they raised it to 2G in the last year) and I'm usually warming up about that point. Switched over to maximumusenet.com and haven't looked back. So now I can read 50G of articles for their well thought out commentary and in-depth analysis. Helped me complete my mame rom set, all the drm free mp3's and no sneaky mediasentry to worry about!
Thanks for nothing Comcast.
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes. I like it much better then forums for support.
For programmers, Usenet is can be more valuable for expert help than any forum I've encountered. This seems to be because a majority of people who still using Usenet (ignoring most of the posting via Google Groups) carry lots of collective experience in their fields. The barrier to entry is sufficiently high, scary as that may be, that a lot less bad information gets distributed. And if a bad answer is given, a dozen other experts will correct it within minutes.
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I post via Google Groups, you insensitive clod!
Seriously, it's just convenient, I can do it from anywhere, and Google Groups makes following a thread's history a LOT easier than any usenet reader (particularly when you're coming into the middle of a conversation).
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That's the problem. It's too easy. Periodically spammers flood newsgroups -- eg thousands of messages promoting sportshoes, fake Rolexes, etc, etc, -- all posted from Google accounts. Many seem to be based in China, but who knows. The really awful thing is that Google makes no attempt to prevent spam being posted from its servers. If you go to the trouble of reporting spam, maybe a day later the account will be closed. Big deal, they can open a new one in a minute. The spa
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Just think, with the death of Usenet those experts will flock to other modes of communications. Suddenly we will be able to get support on forums!
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
For a while, Google Groups used to be a good way to search usenet. Since they allowed anyone to create a group on Google Groups, it is now completely riddled with spam and next to useless.
That said, I wish more web forums would provide a nntp front-end (gmane is a great example - although it is oriented towards mailing lists). It is far easier to follow discussions when you use the same interface throughout. If a feature is missing, you can always code it yourself. With web forums, you are limited to the server software.
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Google groups started to suck when they changed the interface from DejaNews to the one from Google. From then on it went down to so much that I never use it anymore. Not even to search for solutions.
Also, please no forums and NNTP mix up. NNTP is not a web forum and a webforum is not NNTP.
Each and every webforum that has an NNTP interface sucks for either one or the other.
There are plenty of free usenet servers for text groups (and free IPv6 for binaries) that there is no need to use a webinterface. And if you boss does not want you to use Usenet, then do without it. His loss, not yours if he doesn't give you the tools to work with.
Usenet does not need you to answer in 2 minutes. So if you only have a connection during the weekend, that is OK.
I agree. Google's pretty good at acquiring technologies from other companies (Google Maps, Earth, etc) and making the interface better or at least not hurting it, but the moment they made changes to Dejanews they began removing functionality and usability. Dejanews was the great free web-based nntp reader, and making available all the messages since usenet's inception didn't make up for making searches or browsing within a group much less effective.
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Each and every webforum that has an NNTP interface sucks for either one or the other.
But every web forum sucks as a web forum, this is a hard and fast rule. So wouldn't a non-suck NNTP side still be some improvement?
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>But every web forum sucks as a web forum,
>this is a hard and fast rule.
Really?
Do you maintain that this would apply to a forum on Microsoft vacuum cleaners? I highly doubt it . . .
hawkk
Re:So? (Score:5, Interesting)
Occasionally, you'll find a computer club filled with x-hippies exchanging correspondence solely over usenet; I think they do it for the privacy that comes with ghost towns. Even they have their binary groups, though; mainly fonts and different versions of Maelstrom.
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Maelstrom X works great. And I was able to find the old Simpson sounds I had on the original version, back in 7.1 days.
Re:So? (Score:5, Interesting)
I rather miss using USENET, although it has become less useful over the last few years due to the spam and flood of binary files (which are useful by themselves...). The conversations in a newsgroup is much higher caliber than you find in forums, mainly due to the fact that most people would actually THINK before writing, knowing that someone isn't going to read it 5 seconds later. It is more like the BBS forums of yesteryear, which of course, were born of USENET itself and often a part of.
I wouldn't be shocked if a few years down the line, there comes a reason for people to start using USENET more often, seeking better quality conversation. The primary problem now is that a web browser isn't a very good platform to read USENET posts, what we need is a better app or an overhaul of the system to make it more useable. Agent and other apps are ok, but mainly for binaries. USENET was basically the first use for the internet and hasn't changed any since then.
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Does anybody still actually use usenet for anything other than the binary groups? I haven't touched it in a decade, mainly because the spam got so bad.
Hell, I use it only for the spam. That MI5Victim bloke is the highlight of USENET!
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Much of the spam's gone away since Usenet became a backwater. This accelerated after Google removed the "Groups" link from their front page.
As well, Gmane [gmane.org] gateways mailing lists to newsgroups, allowing both reading and posting with a nice interface, without the need to download every message.
Does any serious IT geek *not* use usenet? (Score:5, Informative)
I mean come on , who wants to waste time searching out some website to post a question or find a discussion when you just need access to a news server and the lot is available immediately.
Anyone who doesn't use it just because they think its old fashioned and uncool because it doesn't have the "ooh shiny" factor is a blinkered idiot.
Re:Does any serious IT geek *not* use usenet? (Score:4, Informative)
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Yes, 400 posts a day on sci.electronics.design. I subscribe to 35 text only newsgroups, even the OS/2 ones are still active. ;)
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
The USENET is practically the only place on earth everyone can share anonymous (if desired), unmoderated, uncensored, de-centralized discussion on any topic. You can share ideas and ask questions on USENET you can't easily ask anywhere else.
It's the only thing of its kind in all of history, and I hope it sticks around.
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Me too, but since USENET has resisted "monetization" it's unlikely to survive.
Tinfoil hat time (Score:3, Insightful)
This is probably the very reason they're shutting it down. I doubt there's any good argument for doing so from a cost-saving perspective.
This is one more way citizens...err...terrorists can freely communicate.
I still use it, and here's why (Score:2)
I've been on usenet since the early 90's, and still use it. It's one of the few places you can still go where there is no censorship at all, and no moderators with big egos to deal with. This sometimes produces flame wars and trolls, sure. But it also is the only place you can go and be completely honest about controversial subjects without fear of being banned by some politically-correct or biased moderator.
It's a shame that usenet has fallen into decline in recent years. But for those still interested i
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Except that Google is refusing to do its part. GG has become THE major source of spam on Usenet. Complaints to Google go ignored, and the one moderated newsgroup I frequent has finally set up a filter blocking Google Groups.
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comp.sys.apple2 is still the best place to get help with your Apple II.
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Without fanfare, this bastion of the internet is being removed from the mainstream.
This bastion of the internet was removed from the mainstream about 10 years ago.
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Moderated groups are still useful, although obviously one needs to avoid one's email address appearing (unless it's an email address set up specifically as a spam trap).
I do (Score:2)
I've got about half a dozen discussion groups that I subscribe to. A couple of them have a few hundred posts a week.
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i gateway three newsgroups into a vbulletin forum (Score:2)
I have a music-related site so I gateway alt.bass, alt.guitar.bass and rec.music-makers.builders into my vBulletin forum.
The gateway runs every 20 minutes and my users can read and post in the newsgroups. They're indexed with my regular discussion forums so they can be searched as well.
I still hang around on alt.dbs.echostar and a couple of Linux newsgroups as well.
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Plus they're a good way to read content without having to deal with anyone's choice of fonts, colors and animations.
Wouldn't using your own CSS file take care of that?
Provided! (Score:4, Funny)
I gather this is about some kind of service which was provided, huh?
Great! Cheaper service! (Score:3, Funny)
A provider gets paid for connectivity and extra services. As Comcast now discontinues one of their services, I guess the monthly bill gets a bit trimmed as well!
Or are they really the moneygrabbing bastards they are made out to be?
Yes (Score:2)
Or are they really the moneygrabbing bastards they are made out to be?
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If you only use text groups I suggest signing up to a service where you pay per-GB, but there's no time limit on when you use the GB. I paid a few € for 10GB of transfer from one such service a few years ago, since I only use Usenet occasionally I still have most of that left.
I used this service: http://usenet-news.net/ [usenet-news.net]
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Mainstream? (Score:5, Insightful)
While it's sad to see universal USENET access go, it's been out of the mainstream for about a decade.
BS - whaty about Google Groups? (Score:2, Insightful)
if thats not mainstream I don't know what is. Just because you perhaps don't use it...
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Well, the guy who says "Usenet is still relevant" got modded down to "troll", as a way of saying "I don't agree" I think. If another disagreeing guy who really doesn't understand what "Troll" means mods him down -1 one more time, he his "0", the AC level which means his opinion will be effectively censored as most people browses at "1+".
The abuse on his post alone proves why Usenet must live on.
The non binary groups doesn't have that much traffic as they are only serving to Usenet's original purpose: Free s
Looks like (Score:5, Funny)
september is finaly over...
Re:Looks like (Score:5, Informative)
And yes, it's funny.
Hi! (Score:3, Funny)
I just got an AOL account. I was told to come here. I have to start my computer and it's asking for the ANY key. My computer didn't com with one. What do I do?
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Me Too!
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Someone better go and wake up Green Day [wikipedia.org] then.
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Hey Wikipedia says it might be over too! :)
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Added about an hour before your comment...
Bastion? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Much ado about nothing (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Much ado about nothing (Score:4, Informative)
Actually Comcast's usenet service was provided by Giganews [giganews.com], albeit with a 2GB/mo cap. So it wasn't just text groups, they had all the binary groups with excellent retention.
Is it clueless day? (Score:5, Insightful)
"The non-binary groups have mostly been worthless for a long time now"
Oh really? Which ones? I regularly post on 3 non binary groups and read 2 others and theres plenty of traffic. Perhaps you should try usenet one day instead of blowing smoke out your backside.
"Those who can't live without comp.lang.perl or whatever can pay to get it,"
Oh how magnanimus of you. Perhaps you'd like to pay extra to a 3rd party for using the web after you've already paid your ISP for net access too since you're clearly some kid who thinks the web=the internet
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Personally I think providers should provide fewer, not more, services. I ought to be able to pay for a straight pipe to the internet and nothing else. I use usenet, but I never used Comcast's feed (I am a Comcast subscriber). I use e-mail, but I never use Comcast's e-mail servers, neither incoming nor outgoing. I host a web site, but certainly never use the web space they give me. Maybe if they just provided a plain old pipe, they could shave a few bucks off my bill.
*head explodes* (Score:3, Funny)
Wtf is that supposed to mean? I have zilch clue on how to parse that.. it seems to have zero correlation with the preceding and following sentences in the summary. I mean seriously, you don't really need a degree in Literature to write 3 decent, interconnected sentences..
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When a user downloads from the ISPs own server, he generates a lot less traffic that if he's using P2P and connecting to thousands of random users.
Then again. It's probably because they'd get sued for directly hosting illegal content or something similarly ridiculous.
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A sad day (Score:5, Insightful)
It is a sad day when ISPs toss out usenet. Usenet was and still is to a lesser degree what many of of got hooked on. A free, generally not moderated and everyone had access to it. Now, we digress into 1000's of web sites, /. included to exchange ideas. While /. is large enough with a wide audience and is good, most web based boards are horrid, operated by a ego driven owner and never even get my book marks.
My ISP, Shaw just outsourced usenet to someone who can't keep it running. I guess we too are gut off. And no, the google interface does not cut it.
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As someone who apparently skipped the Usenet generation - I'm actually not surprised and, to be honest, not that bothered. There are other, more important, things which should be phased out (plaintext FTP, plaintext SMTP, plaintext POP3) etc. I've never used Usenet in any significant amount and only ever found it full of more spam than an advertised hotmail account. The etiquette is all other the place (top-posters, multi-group postings etc.) with little to no control for the end user. The bandwidth req
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The bandwidth requirement is quite low for a subscriber: everything is plain text, you download only the articles you want and only once per article (not 0.5MB of HTML like you do here every time you look at a page, plus the stupid avatars on most forums). I don't see how a web forum discussing (say) Atari gaming is any more targetted than comp.gaming.atari (or whatever). OK, you can have subforums, but the groups I used to use had worked that out themselves -- you put '[F]' in the subject if you were discu
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At least
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Now, we digress into 1000's of web sites, /. included to exchange ideas.
Well, there's an idea for a Firefox plugin / web forum template that would allow people to view
these discussions in the form of a usenet reader.
But reality is, it is far quicker to just google for the relevent discussion (as with kibology).
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"most web based boards are horrid, operated by a ego driven owner"
Sadly, usenet is suffering a "death by a thousand pricks." Or, more accurately, "death by a thousand pricks and their websites."
Fond memories (Score:5, Insightful)
I have found memories of Usenet from the days before http. Back then there were around 2000 groups, and most of the participants were from academia. It (and IRC) was the first real place I can remember interacting with a global community, and it was quite enjoyable. Of course the self-control and self-regulation that kept the original Usenet usable went out the window as the public at large came online. The original intent of Usenet has been replaced by the online forum. So instead of a central repository of information, all properly categorized and viewable within a consistent client application, we now have the web-based forum. The information is spread far and wide across the internet. The interfaces vary vastly depending on the software and its configuration and theme. The information is spread out across redundant and competing sites. Information can suddenly be lost as a site goes down. Information can be deleted at a whim depending on who is running the site.
I certainly miss what Usenet once was.
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I have found memories of Usenet from the days before http
Damn it. I knew I'd left them somewhere.
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No going back.
Me, I miss the good old days of IRC, email and Usenet. No spam, there was an IQ test to get in, and a 2400 baud modem and a phone line got you there.
RSS and Google Reader (Score:2)
RSS and Google Reader for read-only access.
Usenet = Useful (Score:5, Interesting)
I really think usenet still has a place on the web, a very useful place.
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It does have it's uses, but like anything risque in society people will try to control and/or ban it for all the wrong reasons.
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Um, no. Bringing Usenet to the web has consistently been a disaster (see the Google Groups atrocity). Usenet's proper place of access is very definitely in a newsreader with decent functionality, installed on your local computer.
And are they going to lower their price? (Score:4, Insightful)
They've just removed a service from their lineup. A service I used to use all the time when I was on Comcast is now gone.
It boggles my mind. I was with Comcast back in the @Home days. Back then we had unlimited Usenet, and up to 4 email addresses. Service was 4 Mbits/768Kbits.
So, then @Home folds, and Comcast takes over the service directly and we go to:
1 email address
No Usenet
1.5 Mbits/128Kbps
for the same price.
Now, admittedly, it's gotten better since then. They upped the speed, increased the email addresses and gave you 2 GB on Giganews.
But now they're going down the path of taking service away. THere's no more Usenet, there's a 250 GB Bandwidth cap (which is plenty of bandwidth, I know...).
For what they offer for Internet, you should be paying $19.99, and not $55.00.
Things like this are what makes FIOS so attractive to geeks.
Andy
isn't this kind of like... (Score:2, Insightful)
this is just comcast's continuation of cutting corners wherever they can and making the users pay for it.
USENET? (Score:2)
Outside of occasionally (once or twice a year) using Google Groups to search for something, I haven't used USENET in probably 8 or so years.
I remember every time I tried to use USENET, the groups I found were so riddled with spam it was impossible to use.
Personally, I say good riddance. It outgrew it
Anybody want out of their comcast contract? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Somebody who wants out of their Comcast contract and has the requisite tenacity should be able to get out from under them and switch to somebody else.
Which somebody else would you suggest for people in the United States who do not live within a mile of a DSLAM?
what's next (Score:5, Funny)
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But then you'll lose these [tekeeze.com]!
Say it ain't so...
linux.kernel (Score:4, Funny)
Anyway, this might be the last thing I post, as I have just discovered that bad things can get transferred via HTTP, and so I have to block port 80
Funny... (Score:2)
Customers Discontinue Comcast's Service
Bastion and mainstream? (Score:2)
Without fanfare, this bastion of the internet is being removed from the mainstream
Was it ever actually a bastion? It hasn't been mainstream in since, well...has it ever honestly? I guess that depends on your definition of mainstream and your timeline of the "internet", but I hope you see at least a sliver of my point. A lot of great (and some poor) anecdotes will pop up in the discussion about how people use or used to use usenet, but if you asked the mainstream internet user between 1999 and 2008 if they utilize usenet, the majority would probably say, "Huh".
Got my first Silicon Valley job via USENET. (Score:2)
Maybe pay-to-use will make it useful again. (Score:2)
Ya know....it might actually make USENET even more useful if it becomes pay-to-use.
It if cuts down on the spammers by forcing them to pay to use it, and make it easy to cut them off if they violate their providers subscription, then there is a theoretical improvement to USENET quality.
>>Also, I found my wife of 15+ years and counting, via usenet
So this is their plan (Score:2)
So first they cap newsgroups, people keep paying.
Next they remove newsgroups and people keep paying.
Then they cap your internet access and people keep paying.
Soon they will remove internet access and hope people keep paying.
Just keep paying people, keep paying.
WTF? (Score:2)
So not only is it not unlimited, but it doesn't even provide basic service.
I guarantee you that this isn't due to 'extra resources' its due to their ties with the media conglomerates.
Free speech just took another hit ( yes, i know they are a private company and it doesn't apply there, bla bla )
First Ammendment rights (Score:5, Insightful)
The real problem is that Usenet is the medium which has the greatest claim to rights under the First Ammendment.
All of the weblogs like Slashdot and such may be prettier, easier to use, and *might* have a higher signal-to-noise (Usenet is even worse than Slashdot, though it doesn't seem possible.) ratio, but they all have an owning party who accepts responsibility for their contents. Usenet is unowned, merely hosted, and therefore comes closest to free speech, in the political sense of the word.
it ends October 25th (Score:3, Informative)
The article summary says...
The page linked in the article says...
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Hmmm, I missed the part where "illegal activities" was the stated reason for dropping USENET. I just kind of figured they see the economy is taking a shit and are looking for ways to cut costs. Dropping a little used service that is freely available elsewhere seems to be a good start.
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The US tried removing Alcohol way back when, how did that turn out?
Comcast is dropping a service they think no one will miss, without dropping their price mind you. I don't think they're doing it for any other reason than to save money.
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Usenet has been the "new" illegal filesharing tool since the day the alt hierarchy was created, newbie.