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Google Chrome Is Out of Beta 444

BitZtream writes "This morning Google announced that Chrome is out of Beta, and showing improvements for plugin support, most notably video speed improvements. It also contains an updated javascript engine, claiming that it operates 1.4 times faster than the beta version, and work has begun on an extensions platform to allow easier integration with the browser by third parties."
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Google Chrome Is Out of Beta

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  • Surprised (Score:2, Interesting)

    by fredstrading ( 1426003 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @05:36PM (#26081729)
    I'm surprised, Google never takes anything out of Beta.. I've been using Chrome since it was first available, haven't had many issues with it. Seems stable to me.
  • by FlyingBishop ( 1293238 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @05:47PM (#26081949)

    All these speed boosts annoy me. I open it FF in Linux, it runs at roughly 1/2 the speed it does in Windows. Of course, I've been using the same profile for roughly 5 years, so that might have something to do with it (and I've only been a Linux user for 1.5 it's a miracle my profile still works.)

    Still, when I reboot to Windows, Chrome vs. Firefox? Can't tell the difference, in terms of speed. Usability, Firefox wins hands down. Hotkeys, flashblock, Firebug (when flashblock isn't enough), reopen closed tab. ( I don't want that memory freed every time I close a tab, thank you very much. I'm just doing it to unclutter my workspace. I may need that tab back in a minute, and I'd rather it not vaporize to reclaim 1% of my memory, especially when I am doing nothing with it but browse the web. )

    Call me when:
    a) Chrome is available on Linux with similar benchmarks
    b) I can easily correct my error if I accidentally close a tab.
    c) They give me my menu bar back / provide analogous hotkeys for every option concealed behind the buttons.

  • by semifamous ( 231316 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @06:00PM (#26082157)

    This program installs itself to %userprofile% instead of %programfiles%

    lUsers without admin privileges can install this, introducing unwanted software to your network and creating security issues.

    I believe Google must fix this, but I don't think they will unless people start demanding it.

    Any suggestions as to where we can do that where they might actually listen?

  • by Phizzle ( 1109923 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @06:17PM (#26082429) Homepage
    But... Have they removed that "Big Brotherly" unique ID "feature", that each of the Chrome Beta installations came with, that loudly identified you on the web?
  • by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) <enderandrew&gmail,com> on Thursday December 11, 2008 @06:27PM (#26082587) Homepage Journal

    Except Chrome is light-years better than any other Webkit browser out there. They had some truly innovative and necessary ideas when it came to a multi-process, sandboxed browswer with a virtualized javascript engine. Saying that Webkit deserves all the praise isn't remotely fair. If Webkit alone was enough to light the world on fire, we'd be using Safari. And despite the benchmarks of nightly builds of pure Webkit running like a speed demon, Safari sure doesn't.

  • by Homr Zodyssey ( 905161 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @06:30PM (#26082631) Journal
    The "Updater" killed it for me. I downloaded/installed Chrome, browsed a little and thought 'ooh isn't this neat.' Then, I killed it and fired up a video game. It was slower. I looked in my Task Manager and there's GoogleUpdater running. I uninstalled Chrome and never looked back.

    I really don't care if they want to run an updater when I'm using Chrome. But I don't want software installing stupid stuff to run in the background when the software isn't being used. Its why I hate iTunes and Tivo Desktop. I'm even a little annoyed at Sun (Java Updater).

    My machine is over 5 years old. I don't have the resources to allow every new piece of software to run some updater in the background, nor do I have the resources to go out and by a new machine right now.
  • by SanityInAnarchy ( 655584 ) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Thursday December 11, 2008 @06:52PM (#26082969) Journal

    But I find it hard to believe that one can't understand hitting 90% of the market as quickly as possible and them filling in as much of the remaining 10%.

    If you ever intend to hit that 10%, you're better off starting there.

    Keep in mind, Windows/IE is always the odd one out. Stick to POSIX, and it pretty much works everywhere except Windows. Stick to standard html/css/javascript, and it pretty much works everywhere except IE.

    We keep an ie.css and an ie.js file, for that reason. We develop in Firefox, and only fire up IE to verify that it still works. If it doesn't, we then add some hack to support IE -- much easier than trying to take a completely hacked-up version developed for IE, and adding the cross-browser compatibility after the fact.

  • Re:just what we need (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @07:18PM (#26083439) Homepage Journal

    Actually, it makes a lot of sense. They add some trim to the product and make a much bigger profit margin by selling the same vehicle under a high-end brand name. Basically, it all boils down to hoping people won't notice that they are paying a huge premium for trivial enhancements to the same basic vehicle. I'm not saying it is a good practice, but as a business practice, it does pay off, at least so long as the market for luxury goods doesn't dry up. When it does, of course, if you aren't making enough money off your low-end products, you're screwed.

    It makes far less sense if the two products aren't build using the same parts, of course, which is why the car analogy falls flat when talking about Google. (It does work for Sun's StarOffice/OpenOffice somewhat.) To explain the Google bifurcation, you have to go back a little farther to an ancient proverb: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Guess which browser is the enemy. :-)

  • Re:just what we need (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Sapphon ( 214287 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @08:04PM (#26084129) Journal

    If we were talking about something being sold, product differentiation would be one means of attempting to achieve some form of price discrimination.(1)

    That part of the equation doesn't apply here (though it will to any of the car-analogies cropping up), but product differentiation is still a recognised way to build brand loyalty by creating (perceived) differences and thereby value.

    People don't use Firefox and think "Gee, isn't Google great?" – that's the (a) reason for Chrome.

    A further reason is that having R&D in your own company can have positive synergies (apologies for the buzzword, but it applies here) with other projects, which don't occur from simply supporting external development.

    Those are mid-to-long-term strategic considerations, while combining the projects simply to save money would be rather more a short-term oriented decision. Which isn't necessarily a criticism.

    (1) Price discrimination is the concept of charging each buyer the full extent of what he is willing to pay for a good, rather than the same price as everyone else. For example, school-children don't have much money to pay for cinema tickets, and wouldn't come if they had to pay adult prices. They're still willing to pay more than the costs they incur, though, so the cinema operators increase their profits by charging them less. You'll see it all around if you pay attention.

  • Re:Addons (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11, 2008 @08:19PM (#26084287)

    And why aren't you moderated Insightful?

    I turn off my ABP on sites I frequently visit as a gesture of support, though I'm sure many people kept theirs on all the time. I used to too but my conscience is slowly catching up to me.

  • by rantingkitten ( 938138 ) <kittenNO@SPAMmirrorshades.org> on Thursday December 11, 2008 @08:36PM (#26084525) Homepage
    I am fanatic about ditching unneeded services and startup items, so as soon as I noticed that stupid Google Update thing, that's exactly what I did. For some reason, it kept returning. Every single time. I uninstalled Chrome and it was still there. I had to go manually remove the directory to get rid of it.

    Silently installing a retarded updater that's doing who-knows-what is about one-fourth of the reason I loathe Chrome and will never use it again. I'll reserve all the other reasons I hate it for another comment, but I really don't see why getting rid of the dumb updater was such a chore, or why it was there in the first place.
  • by More_Cowbell ( 957742 ) * on Thursday December 11, 2008 @09:24PM (#26084989) Journal

    Then, I killed it and fired up a video game. It was slower.

    I know it would be a hell of a coincidence if it was something else causing you problems, but... are you sure it was Chrome?
    I just tried the same thing; fired it up (and updated, as I haven't run it since it came out - back then it did not have smooth scrolling).
    When I killed it, the updater is sure there, but it is using 516K.
    Of the 73 processes I have running, it takes third from last in memory use. Seriously, RAM for older computers is very cheap these days; if you notice when you are short 516K, pick up a gig for $15, regardless if you use chrome or not. Or am I missing something?

  • Re:Good one. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by 5865 ( 104259 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @09:54PM (#26085285)
    With a prominent site like Slashdot with a guaranteed amount of traffic, yes. Advertisers do keep track of who and how many people loaded their advertisements and from where. It's not pay per click all the time you know.
  • Re:Addons (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11, 2008 @10:45PM (#26085719)

    I assume all you guys that run AdBlock realise that ads keep these websites free. I'm happy to absorb a few ads in the interests of getting free content.

    Maybe they keep some sites free but ads also keep the internet expensive! For those of us in countries like Australia where "unlimited" plans just don't exist (we pay by the gigabyte) advertising is often a waste of bandwidth. So far only Google has figured out that advertisements can be a few bytes of text vs kilo/megabytes of blinking images/video/flash.

  • Re:Addons (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Akzo ( 1079039 ) on Thursday December 11, 2008 @11:05PM (#26085859)
    Only if you want to change the default configuration, which by default blocks the majority of ad patterns. Privoxy can be used to block advertisements through any software that supports proxying while Adblock only works within Firefox.
  • by spyrochaete ( 707033 ) on Friday December 12, 2008 @07:56AM (#26088525) Homepage Journal

    Uh, if the updating code is running, what do you care whether it's running in the process with the main browser process or in its own process where you can see what resources it's consuming separately? Do you think the number of processes is that important? I would rather have it in a separate process.

    Yeah, I do think the number of processes is important. So many apps install permanently resident updaters (Java, Acrobat, Flash, etc.) when it would suffice perfectly for those apps to simply check for a new version when their base app is invoked. It's presumptuous and greedy of those companies to assume their app is important enough that it should be resident 24/7.

    Yay conspiracy theory! I'm sure the engineers who designed the updater were thinking exactly that when they made that architectural decision.

    It's a very popular theory that Google developed Chrome simply to put another logo in front of users' faces. That's why Microsoft took on Netscape. That's why Google invests in Firefox. It's not like these companies profit fiscally by spending R&D on this free software.

    So yes, I do argue that Google's engineers were thinking of this face time when they designed an always-resident, inefficient, and unneccesary updater. If they cared to do it right they'd do it like Firefox.

  • Targeted advertising (Score:3, Interesting)

    by shish ( 588640 ) on Friday December 12, 2008 @02:59PM (#26093917) Homepage
    It seems that the advertisment network has noticed that this page is talking about chrome a lot -- all the ads I see are "Download chrome for XP / Vista". Smart, but considering my user-agent is Opera/Linux, not smart enough...

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