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US Government Responds Harshly To ICANN gTLD Plans 133

ICANN posted its proposal for expanding gTLDs late in October, and now the US government has issued its scathing response (PDF, 11 pp., linked from there), from the departments of Commerce and Justice. The initial criticism is that John Levine sent a note to a policy mailing list and summarized the concerns raised as ranging from "...insufficient attention to monopoly and consumer protection, to lack of capacity to enforce compliance, to overreach into non-technical areas such as adjudication of morality, to what they'll do with all the extra money since they are a non-profit. Their first concern is that in 2006 the ICANN board said they would commission a study on economic issues in TLD registrations such as whether different TLDs are different markets, substitutability between TLDs, and registry market power, issues which are fairly important in any new TLD process. Here it is two years later, they're rushing to set up the new TLD process, but there's no study. 'ICANN needs to complete this economic study and the results should be considered by the community before new gTLDs are introduced.'"
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US Government Responds Harshly To ICANN gTLD Plans

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  • Opening TLDs (Score:5, Insightful)

    by suso ( 153703 ) * on Sunday December 21, 2008 @09:32PM (#26195879) Journal

    This is such a bad idea. I think any company who buys these will be shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, in the 90s companies generally hated putting http:/// [http] in advertising. Then they dropped the www part and just made it company.com. Now they are having their ultimate dream. To drop the .com part too. But with that comes a major problem. How are average people going to distinguish what is a internet address from something else?

    Imagine this, Ford says in its advertising: "Go to ford.com". Its obvious here what to do. Now imagine they get just the TLD 'ford'. So what do you say. "Go to ford"? What the hell does that mean. Now they'll start having to say things like "Type ford into your web browser's address bar" Yeah, that's a whole lot easier to say than ford.com. Idiots.

    I hope this totally backfires on all the marketing and sales people in the world so that they learn their lesson.

  • Re:Opening TLDs (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Midnight Thunder ( 17205 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @09:38PM (#26195931) Homepage Journal

    The other problem is that the proposed approach essentially is such a mess that it actually shoot itself in the foot. By creating so many new TLDs confusion created, rather that eliminated and we potentially end up in a situation when where TLDs are useless.

  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @09:58PM (#26196059) Homepage

    The given URL is no good. Message with Department of Commerce document as attachment is here. [icann.org]

    I'm amazed that something this good emerged from regulatory agencies under the Bush Administration. I suspect that some staffers are thinking very hard about what happens to their career once government regulation again gets, as Obama puts it, "adult supervision".

  • by khasim ( 1285 ) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Sunday December 21, 2008 @09:59PM (#26196067)

    The original TLD's were fine back when the Internet was primarily a US system.

    Now that it is worldwide, they need to look at getting away from new TLD's and going to country code domains(example, .us or .cn). That way each country can establish its own standards for what is and is not allowed.

    And for those people who are going to say that it makes more work for the Pepsi people (or whatever) to register pepsi.whatever in each country, there should not be a problem with SCRIPTING that. And I'm sure that they can afford it.

    That way, if someone in the UK has a great idea for a LOCAL business name they can register it in the UK and not have to work around someone in the US who has already registered that name.com.

  • Re:Opening TLDs (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Enter the Shoggoth ( 1362079 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @10:01PM (#26196079)

    This is such a bad idea. I think any company who buys these will be shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, in the 90s companies generally hated putting http:/// [http] in advertising. Then they dropped the www part and just made it company.com. Now they are having their ultimate dream. To drop the .com part too. But with that comes a major problem. How are average people going to distinguish what is a internet address from something else?

    Imagine this, Ford says in its advertising: "Go to ford.com". Its obvious here what to do. Now imagine they get just the TLD 'ford'. So what do you say. "Go to ford"? What the hell does that mean. Now they'll start having to say things like "Type ford into your web browser's address bar" Yeah, that's a whole lot easier to say than ford.com. Idiots.

    I hope this totally backfires on all the marketing and sales people in the world so that they learn their lesson.

    I don't know what planet your from, but on planet earth being intrinsically unable to learn lessons is a prerequisite for entry in sales or marketing.

  • Re:Opening TLDs (Score:3, Insightful)

    by carlzum ( 832868 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @10:05PM (#26196093)
    Even if you could go to ford, most web users will continue to enter the site name right into the browser's search box. It's not just a matter of laziness or the inability to type a URL. You have far less risk of inadvertently visiting a domain squatter's pop-up and porn riddled site, you see other sites that may be of interest (if you're buying a Ford, a Consumer Report review may be more useful than the corporate site), and most search engines recognize common spelling errors. Sure, people game page ranks and pay for placement, but it beats keying in URLs.
  • about time (Score:5, Insightful)

    by r7 ( 409657 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @10:07PM (#26196109)

    Thank goodness for John Levin and Meredith Baker. Voices of sanity above the din. I don't know what is going on at ICANN but it clearly has been disabled by special interests, groupthink, and dispersion of responsibility. Their "any tld is fine with us" plan (originally proposed by France's Internic) shows such a profound lack of concern for the consequences that it's clear the bulk of their membership is simply not technically qualified.

    The downside this all illustrates, beyond any doubt, is that ICANN does not and can not work in its present format. It needs to be reconstituted to insure that all members have no conflicts of interest and sufficient experience and expertise with technical and security issues. I hope it can retain the non-profit status and multi-country membership, without being so inclusive (of small countries) that it cannot avoid being corrupted as ISO was when Microsoft bought the ISO's endorsement for OOXML, or ICANN itself was when Verisign did the same to win the exclusive contract for .com.

  • Internet confusion (Score:4, Insightful)

    by panoptical2 ( 1344319 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @10:18PM (#26196179)
    There are several bad things about the ability for users to create gTLDs. As specified earlier, no one will be able to recognize them (for example, http://mustang.cars.ford/ [cars.ford] would this throw you off?).

    Some other overlooked problems are:
    a. The internet would become further disorganized. It's already plenty disorganized, but at least the majority of web sites out there are under the .com, .org, or .net gTLDs. Taking this away would only increase said disorganization.
    b. .com would be rendered obsolete, given a couple of years (possibly 10-20), and everyone who spent $10/year for their own .com domain would soon move to another gTLD that offers cheaper registration. This is a positive feedback sure to end in collapse; as competition over domain registration increases, profit margins for domain registration/gTLD maintenance companies decreases, resulting in a bubble sure to burst.
    c. Lastly, no mention is made as to who would be maintaining the new gTLDs, so I'm assuming that maintenance is left in the hands of the companies buying the gTLDs. This could mean that the quality of the DNS registries and root nameservers for TLDs would decrease. This is really bad, because currently, it's these DNS registries and the 13 root nameservers located around the world that control the internet.

    Thus, I side with the government on this one; ICANN is just looking for ways to make more money.
  • Good thing! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nog_lorp ( 896553 ) * on Sunday December 21, 2008 @10:43PM (#26196349)

    Good thing we have a well organized, international body to regulate this process! Otherwise shit like this article would be happening all the time.

    OH SHI...

  • Re:Slashdotted? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by lysergic.acid ( 845423 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @11:25PM (#26196541) Homepage

    from the day ICANN was created it was pretty much bound to become a corrupt puppet-organization for commercial interests. that's why it's been headed by economists, businessmen, and corporate consultants rather than IT professionals and computer scientists/researchers. the lack of transparency/openness, community dialog, and international input has guaranteed that ICANN's policies serve the interests of corporations like InterNIC rather than the global online community.

    it's very tragic that we have such an undemocratic and profit-motivated organization running the internet rather than a more civic-minded and open organization like the W3C, which is actually run by technically competent individuals who are more interested in technological progress than giving kick-backs to their corporate buddies.

  • by _Sprocket_ ( 42527 ) on Sunday December 21, 2008 @11:41PM (#26196629)

    I'm amazed that something this good emerged from regulatory agencies under the Bush Administration. I suspect that some staffers are thinking very hard about what happens to their career once government regulation again gets, as Obama puts it, "adult supervision".

    I'd be surprised to find out that George Bush is an omnipotent god with an all-seeing eye. Likewise, I'd find it difficult to believe that his administration is ran by a Machiavellian cabal intent on undoing any sanity they come across (stroking pet cats optional).

    Instead, this act is likely done by one of the many bureaucrats that are doing their best in their little corner of the Government. They likely operate at a level that does not require the attentions of the President's inner (or even several-times-removed) circle. And thus they plug along doing their thing... and hey, occasionally getting things right (competency will either lead to a touch of insanity or flight from Civil Service).

  • Re:Opening TLDs (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Midnight Thunder ( 17205 ) on Monday December 22, 2008 @12:44AM (#26196981) Homepage Journal

    tlds largely are useless, anything other than .gov or .edu is a mess

    Part of the problem is domain parking. I thought ICANN was meant to crack down on this, but once again money has continued the corruption.

  • Re:Opening TLDs (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Al Dimond ( 792444 ) on Monday December 22, 2008 @12:59AM (#26197037) Journal

    I'm sure you meant this as a joke, but sales and marketing people are no fools. Just because most sales pitches and advertisements are silly and useless to knowledgeable and rational people doesn't mean that they're not generally effective, or that marketers don't work pretty hard to learn what sort of sales pitches work.

  • by coryking ( 104614 ) * on Monday December 22, 2008 @02:15AM (#26197447) Homepage Journal

    It is a big step forward from the days when if you wanted a domain name, you had to go to Internic and hack up $75/year. Now you can register at godaddy for $7/year or you can even renew for the "low price" of $30/year by being stupid and replying to those fake-invoices you get in the mail from scam companies when your domain is about to expire.

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