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Fairpoint Pledges To Violate Net Neutrality 249

wytcld writes "Fairpoint Communications, which has taken over Verizon's landline business in Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont, has announced that on February 6, 'AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third-party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third-party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.' Since Verizon spun off its lines to Fairpoint in a maneuver that got debt off of Verizon's balance sheets by saddling Fairpoint with it, there was concern by the public service boards of the three states about how Fairpoint would deal with that debt. Fairpoint's profit plan: force all Webmail users through Fairpoint's portal, by blocking all direct access to Webmail portals other than its own. Will Fairpoint's own search engine portal be next? What can stop them?"
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Fairpoint Pledges To Violate Net Neutrality

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  • by Ceiynt ( 993620 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @03:51PM (#26243507)
    And as soon as there support lines are ringing non-stop, and they start losing some of thier bigger customers, that will stop pretty soon.
  • what can stop them (Score:5, Insightful)

    by portscan ( 140282 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @03:52PM (#26243521)

    watching their customers dropping like flies...

  • by deft ( 253558 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @03:52PM (#26243525) Homepage

    Which is why I'm not looking for a new provider right now.

    if it did, I'd be looking up new plans in my area. Thats just rediculous. They are altering and restricting service, with no added benefits anywhere?

    The competitors should be advertising that they arent fairpoint as their best marketing campaign ever.

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Trahloc ( 842734 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:01PM (#26243583) Homepage
    Did *you* read the article?

    "... will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal."

    Sounds pretty straight forward to me. You wont be able to go to mail.yahoo.com, you'll have to go to allyourbasebelongtous.MyFairPoint.net to access your yahoo email.
  • by calmofthestorm ( 1344385 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:02PM (#26243591)

    Sure, just have the government hand me a monopoly and free lines and I'll get started!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:06PM (#26243611)

    And as soon as there support lines are ringing non-stop, and they start losing some of thier bigger customers, that will stop pretty soon.

    Their and their, you stupid cunt.

  • Re:Good thing (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:07PM (#26243617)

    My guess is users attempting to navigate to Yahoo's mail site are simply redirected to Fairpoint's portal page, so their access isn't blocked, and the average clueless luser may not notice a thing

    (other than the page looks different)

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Timothy Brownawell ( 627747 ) <tbrownaw@prjek.net> on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:09PM (#26243625) Homepage Journal

    Verizon provided a service to IT'S customers where they can read webmail of another provider on their web page. Fairpoint is saying that after x date that if you still want that kind of service you have to go through THEIR web page. You can still go to Yahoo, Gmail, AOL, and Hotmail, and read your mail from those pages directly.

    Article says:

    Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6. After that date, Fastiggi said users will need to log on to www.MyFairPoint.net. Customers then click on Web mail and type in their existing user name@myfairpoint.net and existing password.

    AOL, Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

    So, (1) customersl ISP email addresses are changing, and (2) people with certain non-Fairpoint webmails will have to read their email through MyFairPoint.net instead of "the third party Web site" which I take to mean the AOL/MSN/etc site ("third party" being, not Fairpoint or the subscriber).

    I DID RTFA, and it certainly seems to be saying what you say it isn't. Do you have a better-worded article?

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by techno-vampire ( 666512 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:09PM (#26243631) Homepage
    Yes, I did RTFA, but unlike you, I did so with an open mind. Before the part you quote, it says, " Web-based e-mail users can continue to access their e-mail at the Verizon Web site until Feb. 6." In that context, it looks to me as though the Verizon webmail page is the "third party Web site" referred to. I'll grant that it's not written as clearly as it should be, but it does make more sense than the interpretation in the summary. Cutting off access to other provider's webmail site while allowing unhindered access to all of their other content just doesn't make sense. Telling new customers that if they want their third-party email on their homepage they need to use yours instead of their other providers does. My guess is that when the dust clears this will turn out to be Yet Another Slashdot Tempest In A Teapot.
  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Unoriginal Nick ( 620805 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:10PM (#26243639)
    Read the paragraph before it. The "third party Web site" is referring to the Verizon web site, not Yahoo, MSN, etc. This is a non-story.
  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ptbarnett ( 159784 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:13PM (#26243663)

    Sounds pretty straight forward to me. You wont be able to go to mail.yahoo.com, you'll have to go to allyourbasebelongtous.MyFairPoint.net to access your yahoo email.

    I think the article is wrong, having been written by a typical clueless journalist.

    This sounds like Verizon subscribers were getting some sort of "partner" package with Yahoo, MSN, and/or AOL -- i.e. certain things like email service were out-sourced.

    My father was offered the same deal with Southwestern Bell (now AT&T) DSL. I steered him away from it.

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:16PM (#26243687)

    Did *you* read the article?

    Frequently the authors of such articles are not very technical and don't understand all details of the situation.

    It is eminently plausible that the author of the article was confused, AND Fairpoint was talking about the third-party Verizon portal for accessing Yahoo mail and other webmail services.

    In fact... it's much more likely than that an ISP would go to measures to block third-party webmail sites

    Which would be extremely unpopular among subscribers, and might upset the third-party webmail services, causing them to take action against the ISP, i.e. by blocking access through the unauthorized "portal" site

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:26PM (#26243761) Homepage

    Exactly. they are shutting down VERIZONS integrated email portal. NOT blocking access to mail.yahoo.com

    The whole story headline is a troll and should be voted down.

  • Re:Good thing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rolfwind ( 528248 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:27PM (#26243771)

    I wouldn't even call it net neutrality, it makes it an internet issue while this is just plain old common carrier (this was a previous article recently somewhere). I, as a telephone customer, call whoever I want. AT&T can't stop a call and say "Sorry, that's not a customer of ours or an approved partner, sorry. Call someone else."

    It is not the googles and amazons of the world "calling" various internet surfers and demanding attention. It's the internet surfers who go out and "call"/retrieve the web pages they want. As soon as an ISP blocks that, they are not providing the internet they promised and lose common carrier status and the legal benefits it occurs by staying neutral and not checking what web pages are retrieved.

    I hope Fairpoint goes through with this and gets their ass handed to them.

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:38PM (#26243851)

    It's referring to the Verizon portal which is third-party to the web service. Note the singular use of "the third party Web site" rather than sites.

    How about someone settle this once and for all and call fairpoint asking for clarification.

    Customers with questions can call FairPoint at (800) 240-5019.

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Paradise Pete ( 33184 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:38PM (#26243853) Journal
    I agree that most likely the reporter simply got it wrong, but these two sentences, especially with the instead link, certainly imply that Yahoo is one of the third parties whose email will not be available except through fairpoint.

    Yahoo! and MSN subscribers will continue to have access to content but will no longer be able to access their e-mail through the third party Web site. Instead, Yahoo! and other third party e-mail will be accessed directly at the MyFairPoint.net portal.

  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Trahloc ( 842734 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:42PM (#26243879) Homepage
    Hmm well I read it as you can still use the "third party" email systems as meaning all those companies listed, such as yahoo. You just need to access it via the isp's portal. Now its possible the writer of that release whipped it up in 5 minutes without proof reading it for clarity so you might have the right of it... but strangely I'm going to continue leaning towards /.'s interpretation until proven otherwise. Better to holler and shout and be wrong than stay silent and be proven right when your no longer able to access your email on the official site.
  • I doubt it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by carlzum ( 832868 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:43PM (#26243889)
    I'll reserve my judgment until I see this reported in a better source. This article is written so poorly I suspect the author has no idea what his misstatement implies. If FairPoint is planning to block major webmail sites, the Rutland Herald missed out on a huge story. They seem to be the only news source with this information.

    Look at what other sites [boston.com] are reporting about this deal. "In Maine, regulators have alerted FairPoint that it will be scrutinized more closely than probably any other utility in the state's history." If true, the details will come to light quickly as this hits the major news outlets.
  • Re:No it doesn't. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by techno-vampire ( 666512 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @04:52PM (#26243957) Homepage
    No. If you were using Verizon's webmail page you're going to have to change to Fairpoint's. If you weren't, nothing changes.
  • by LoadWB ( 592248 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @06:12PM (#26244573) Journal

    I was hit by the irony of the company name. Anyway, if I understand this correctly, this is a win-win situation for Verizon.

    FairPoint forces all web mail systems to funnel through its own portal, thus generating ad-generated and direct-marketing revenue streams. With this they can quickly eliminate any remaining debt. (And, of course, there are surely technological means around this -- tunneling, and so forth.)

    Or they piss off customers and those who can switch to another provider, will. The company becomes insolvent or sells to someone else.

    Either way, the debt is already the problem of someone other than Verizon.

    Although, I think the bigger question is what happens to, and who safeguards, all of the data and personal information which will easily be harvested using a web mail proxy-portal?

  • Re:Good thing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LoadWB ( 592248 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @06:20PM (#26244635) Journal

    When I worked ISP tech support, I used to get calls from customers asking me to give them their passwords. After several minutes of confusion, I would discover the customer meant his Yahoo! (or Hotmail, or whatever) password. I would explain that we do not have that information as he is using a third-party system. To which the reply would come, "well, you're my Internet provider, aren't you?"

    FairPoint... all I can say is you better have plenty of aspirin and therapy coverage for your employees.

  • Re:I present (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Larryish ( 1215510 ) <larryish.gmail@com> on Saturday December 27, 2008 @07:15PM (#26245033)

    Personally I think that they are shooting themselves in the foot just to later discover that they have burnt all their bridges.

    ...will they be up a creek without a paddle?

  • Re:I present (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nacturation ( 646836 ) * <nacturation&gmail,com> on Saturday December 27, 2008 @08:25PM (#26245423) Journal

    I don't see the problem with what Fairpoint is doing. They have every right to filter all communications through their portal if they so wish. I think Fairpoint's upstream providers should do the same so that we'll see this soon:

    A spokesperson from Level 3 Communications had the following to say, "We wholeheartedly endorse Fairpoint's limitations they are imposing on their Internet users by requiring them to access common webmail sites through the MyFairPoint.net portal." The spokesperson continued, "Following their example, we are pleased to announce that access to the MyFairPoint.net portal will only be allowed through the MyLevel3.net portal and are working with Fairpoint's other upstream providers to implement similar restrictions."

  • by Cacadril ( 866218 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @10:39PM (#26246219)
    I guess the poster has misunderstood. I also guess the text invites misunderstandings.

    Usually, there are two parties to an agreement, and third parties are all others. But when an agreement between A and B is changed to an agreement between A and C, becase B sold its part to C, then there are suddenly three parties, until everyone forgets B ever was part of the deal.

    To complicate matters even more, there are multiple agreements here, one between the user (A) and Verizon/Fairpoint (B/C), and another between the user and (say) Yahoo. With respect to the second deal, Verizon and Fairpoint are third parties. With respect to the first deal, Yahoo, MSN, etc are third parties.

    NOW tell me what "third party web site" the users will no longer have access to, or will no longer access their emails through.

    I guess the real meaning is that Verizon had a web portal in which Yahoo and some other webmail providers was integrated, so that users could have the impression that Verizon was doing an email service. Now Verizon is closing its site, and Fairpoint is taking over, providing a new portal with similar integrated access to yahoo etc.

  • by alc6379 ( 832389 ) on Saturday December 27, 2008 @10:54PM (#26246309)
    Yeah... but I think that's called vandalism.

    I don't know if telecoms providers like this are subject to any type of laws about interfering with utilities, but I'm pretty sure even if you got the effect of decreasing uptime and causing them grief, you're probably going to wind up in some kind of serious legal trouble, and possibly be liable for the financial consequence of fixing those lines....
  • by florescent_beige ( 608235 ) on Sunday December 28, 2008 @12:35AM (#26246735) Journal

    Perhaps this might explain something:

    https://login.yahoo.com/config/login_verify2?.partner=vz-acs&.done=http%3a//verizon.yahoo.com [yahoo.com]

    Verizon and Yahoo have some sort of integrated portal.

    Non-story.

  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Sunday December 28, 2008 @06:21AM (#26248051)

    This is the first time I've come across this issue, and it begs the question - WHY THE HELL AREN'T ISPs CONSIDERED COMMON CARRIERS??? The way I see it, they've just given them the protections of a common carrier without any of the requirements. Interestingly enough, giving them common carrier status would solve the network neutrality problem:

    Answer: ISPs have lobbyists. Welcome to America: government for the highest bidder.

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