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China Makes Arrests To Stop Internet Porn 204

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thefickler writes "The Chinese Government is expanding a crackdown on Internet pornography. Xinhua news agency, which is owned by the government and can safely be used for reporting in China, says the campaign to scrub the country's Internet of 'vulgar' content has so far resulted in 29 criminal cases. Police have ordered the removal of 46,000 pornographic and other 'harmful' items from websites. The latest crackdown comes after official warnings of rising social unrest as the economy slows. It's no coincidence that this year is the twentieth anniversary of Tiananmen Square, or, to use the acceptable nomenclature, 'the June 4th incident.'"
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China Makes Arrests To Stop Internet Porn

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  • What for? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 4D6963 (933028) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:12AM (#26494605)
    OK, I understand why they would want to choke civil unrest by censoring dissidents online, but porn? How's that helping them?
    • by amRadioHed (463061) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:28AM (#26494667)

      Considering their overpopulation problem do they really want to discourage wanking? This seems very counter-productive to me.

      • by 4D6963 (933028) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:40AM (#26494723)
        Indeed. What the Chinese government really needs to give to its people is porn, addictive dumb reality TV shows, food and booze. You feel less angry after a good wanking, you'll forget why you were angry in the first place when you'll cross your fingers for Wang Wang to be the next Chinese Idol, a full stomach and some booze will finish knocking you out.
        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by WGFCrafty (1062506)
          Go watch idiocracy.

          Making people stupider does not help population size.
          • Re:What for? (Score:4, Insightful)

            by HadouKen24 (989446) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @05:28AM (#26495205)
            Ah, yes, Idiocracy. You make a compelling argument.

            Forget factors like poverty, education of women, and social expectations. It's being stupid that drives up the birth rate.

            And I know that because a movie told me so.
            • Re:What for? (Score:5, Insightful)

              by jimicus (737525) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @06:44AM (#26495537)

              Forget factors like poverty, education of women, and social expectations. It's being stupid that drives up the birth rate.
               

              In either case, the whole point of the movie is that evolution favours those that breed the most.

              So by your definition you eventually wind up with a population full of poor people with badly educated women and no social expectations. Similar net result, different cause.

              • Re:What for? (Score:4, Insightful)

                by HadouKen24 (989446) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @07:26AM (#26495699)
                That is, in fact, the situation we're in today, and it's only getting worse. The birthrate is highest in countries like Pakistan and India, especially. (I was referring, by the by, to social expectations that people have large families, if possible.) The biggest problem for everyone, though, isn't the risk of a world dominated by poor people who mistreat their women, but a world in which overpopulation leads to serious negative environmental impacts and a population crash.

                Fortunately, the impact of poverty, education, and social norms on population growth can be mitigated. And of those three, the one with the biggest impact--education for women--is the easiest to deal with. There's a tremendous drop in the birth rate with available birth control and only a primary school education for women.
                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  by Peeteriz (821290)

                  Well, population crash is one (though unpleasant) way of solving the overpopulation problem. If people are too fussy to consider population control now, then after a generation or two of starvation and resource wars all the currently politically unacceptable population control methods will seem quite ok.

              • by hairyfeet (841228)

                Let us not forget to add the stupid junkies to the list, which also cranks up the birthrate in the stupid column. I went to school with a girl named Nikki(and yes the Price song just went through my head too). Head cheerleader, really pretty. She is now a crank whore. She has had SIX kids, all born drug addicted and are wards of the state, and last I heard she was pregnant with the seventh. So for all you anti abortion folks out there, please feel free to raise all 7 of Nikki's fucked up kids.

                Sadly you

                • by jimicus (737525)

                  === SPOILERS BELOW ===

                  Of course, where Idiocracy does make a few mistakes are where it assumes that high-tech things (eg. the diagnostic machine in the hospital, all the equipment that runs the television station) can be kept operating more or less indefinitely by a bunch of people who can't manage a more coherent word than "shit". And assumes that in the event of a serious worldwide food shortage which, let's be honest, would have been bordering on famine, the entire world would have been sitting in front

        • Re:What for? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by donscarletti (569232) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @07:18AM (#26495675)

          What the Chinese government really needs to give to its people is porn, addictive dumb reality TV shows, food and booze.

          You've never watched CCTV [wikipedia.org] have you? They run 18 channels of pure shit 24/7. Soap operas, inane stock-character comedies that just drag on for hours (which I admit might be funnier if I were a native speaker) and news that tells you the exact same trivial things three times an hour. On other channels there are some form of reality shows and all the mind numbing goodness you'd expect in the west.

          Food is a huge part of China, Sure, the rural poor may be living off bowls of congee but if anything the urban middle class generally eat far more lavishly than those of western countries with both dishes, more exotic ingredients, more complex preparation and larger portions (even KFC's menu is roughly double its normal size).

          As for booze, everyone should try Tsing Tao or Harbin beer when over there. It just costs a few RMB, comes in massive bottles and due to its sparse flavor you can keep drinking it and drinking it and be thoroughly drunk well before your mouth feels like you've been drinking beer. If you ordering, make sure you pronounce "Tsing Tao" as "Tchingdao" and emphasize the "r" in Harbin or they won't know what you are asking for.

          Anyway, I'm not going to do any further analysis here, apart from mentioning that the Chinese government is not stupid in these matters and has probably realised the exact same thing as you and most western governments have.

        • by moxley (895517)

          Yeah, seriously!!!

          They could improve their image worldwide AND become more efficient in their repression by using your suggestion, (which henceforth shall be referred to as "The American Model."

        • Re:What for? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by commodore64_love (1445365) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:08AM (#26496893) Journal

          Perhaps the Chinese have suddenly turned Christian. It certainly sounds like something Pat Robertson or other fundamentalists would say:

          "the campaign to scrub the country's Internet of 'vulgar' content"

        • Re:What for? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by TaoTehChing (954321) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @11:38AM (#26497121)
          You basically quoted an ancient Chinese proverb:

          "Therefor in governing the people, the sage empties their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their wills but strengthens their bones. He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act."

          From the Tao Teh Ching (III)
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by ljgshkg (1223086)
            Your quote skipped the first part of the paragraph, which affects the interpetation of the meaning.

            The words before your quote is:
            Not to value/employ men with superior ability keeps people from rivalry; not to prize articles which are difficult to procure keeps people from becoming thieves; not to show people what is likely to excite their desires keeps their minds from disorder.

            The real meaning of Lao Zi's quote (the quote in the above post) actually centred to two things: 1) Fulfill their physical
        • by hairyfeet (841228)
          Yep, this rates a good ten on the stupid meter. Have the Chinese never heard of the concept of Bread and circuses? [wikipedia.org] Folks will put up with a lot of shit as long as they have a full belly and entertainment. and what is more entertaining than nekkid lesbians? Nothing!
    • by philspear (1142299) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:40AM (#26494721)

      Chinese porn stars have a habit of yelling out antigovernment slogans as they finish. Sounds weird to us, but consider some of the foul words they use in American porn, it's not that strange.

    • Re:What for? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by patro (104336) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:48AM (#26494759) Journal

      Probably the keyword is: control. They can't leave something in the hands of people (no pun :) over which they don't have control.

      Loosing control in one area of society (namely sex) leaves the door open for loosening up in other areas.

      That's why dictators try to control everything.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        They can't leave something in the hands of people (no pun :) over which they don't have control.

        well, they could at least have the common courtesy to give them a reach-around then...

    • by Mashiki (184564)

      I don't understand comrade. You do want to do what's best for your countrymen don't you? Or are you questioning us?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by aeroswift (1347955)
      Reputation, I suppose. After the whole Muzimei fiasco, I frankly am not surprised.

      But I don't think it's going to work. China's had a pornography problem ever since it's had the internet. If you've ever visited Chinese websites (I'm Chinese so I know), even the mainstream news websites are plastered with 18+ advertisements. Needless to say, it's a bit late to start fixing the problem, eh?

    • Maybe it's similar to the kind of push we get here -- porn is seen as immoral, and is a natural scapegoat, so no one minds censoring it. From there, it's easy to justify censoring whatever you want -- after all, it does say "other 'harmful' items..."

      Now, granted, the US is at least only censoring child porn, so far, which we can all agree on, right? And swear words, now, in South Carolina, if that bill passes -- which we can all agree on, right? See how slippery the slope is?

    • by nurb432 (527695)

      Its all part of the citizens towing the governmental line without question. Anything that could remotely promote individualism is bad.

      Or they are just jealous.. take your pick.

    • Who are constantly trying for the same double play.

    • Re:What for? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by mi (197448) <slashdot-2012@virtual-estates.net> on Saturday January 17, 2009 @09:08PM (#26502033) Homepage

      OK, I understand why they would want to choke civil unrest by censoring dissidents online, but porn? How's that helping them?

      During the USSR days, it was customary for Mr. Putin's agency to declare political dissenters as common criminals to soften the West's attempts to free them.

      Your asking the question and its high moderation both explain, why the tactics worked. Unable to perceive the actual levels of evil of the Communist regimes, Western "liberals" (who seriously think, G.W. Bush is vilest creature ever to rule a country) fall for their lies:

      • Release all political prisoners!
      • Oh, no, we don't have any.
      • What about so-and-so? We demand, he be released at once!
      • Oh, but so-and-so attempted to rape a young athlete last year and must serve his sentence.
      • Really? Ah, ok, then, sorry to bother you...

      Similarly:

      • Your shutting down of such-and-such.cn is an intolerable violation of the principle of Free Speech!
      • Come, come, even your country would not tolerate the pornographic content we've found posted on their servers.
      • Oh, really? Never mind then, sorry to bother you...
  • What morals or principles are the Chinese government claiming to enforce with this?
    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Plutonite (999141) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:52AM (#26494769)

      Modesty and sexual conservatism, which are not unique to the Chinese culture, but rather understood and appreciated by almost all [organized] societies. Nobody, however, has ever been able to 'enforce' these things, which is what the Chinese don't get. If you are in a Free(TM) country, consider yourself lucky.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by benjamindees (441808)

        Masturbation *is* sexual conservatism. It doesn't take a billion Chinese to figure this out.

        • Masturbation *is* sexual conservatism. It doesn't take a billion Chinese to figure this out.

          Well, it appears that it does.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by lukas84 (912874)

        Modesty and sexual conservatism, which are not unique to the Chinese culture, but rather understood and appreciated by almost all [organized] societies.

        Well, i don't know what you classify as "sexual conservatism", but i sure don't think that we have that now - neither in the US nor here in Europe.

        Porn is everywhere and completely legal, prostitution is legal in most places in Europe and some places in the US.

        12 year olds that want to dress up as whores as the idols on TV also dress like that isn't my idea

        • Well, i don't know what you classify as "sexual conservatism", but i sure don't think that we have that now - neither in the US nor here in Europe.

          Yes, and our birth rates are leveling off or falling (Germany, for example, and the U.S. population is increasing largely because of the influx of illegals and all their offspring.) Consequently, it seems to me that if you want to have a high birthrate take away all the porn, make masturbation illegal and give people no other sexual outlets other than sex itself. Oh, and don't forget to keep women in the dark as to consequences of their sexual activity, and take all forms of contraception off the market. Gu

      • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by HadouKen24 (989446) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @05:43AM (#26495269)
        I'm not buying it, chief. Read a comedy by Aristophanes and tell me that the Athenian Greeks were much into "modesty and sexual conservatism." Read the poems of Martial, Juvenal, and Catullus, and look at the architecture and decorations preserved at Pompeii, and tell me that the Romans were.

        Some of the ancient and beautiful temples in India happen to have bas-reliefs depicting bestiality. Illustrated sex manuals were a popular form of literature at one point in China's history. Japan has had tentacle porn since at least the 18th century.

        Sure, every culture has its sexual mores. But that's not exactly the same thing.
      • "Modesty and sexual conservatism, which are not unique to the Chinese culture, but rather understood and appreciated by almost all [organized] societies."

        *cough*

        Not sure which organized society you are from, by here in western civilization, sex is by no means modest or conservative. Maybe it is "supposed" to be, according to the evangelicals, but it is not. Nor is sexual conservatism appreciated, except by a small but vocal minority composed mainly of puritans.
  • by Rakshasa Taisab (244699) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:20AM (#26494639) Homepage

    No, it really _is_ a coincident that China started targeting porn sites on the twentieth anniversary of 'the June 4th incident'.

    You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by OrangeTide (124937)

      "You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!"

      Perhaps internet porn is devaluing their pin up calendar?

    • by cp.tar (871488) <cp.tar.bz2@gmail.com> on Saturday January 17, 2009 @06:03AM (#26495351) Journal

      No, it really _is_ a coincident that China started targeting porn sites on the twentieth anniversary of 'the June 4th incident'.

      You think they looked at the calendar and realized... OMG, this is the year we must start censoring internet porn!

      Well, since there are so many important Chinese anniversaries this year, how come the author picked Tian'anmen? Why not the ban of Falun Gong (10th anniversary)? Why not the declaration of The People's Republic (70th anniversary)? Or May 4th Movement (90th anniversary)?

      I'm sure there are some more, but I can't think of them off-hand.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:42AM (#26494735)
    Whoever made the summary ever RTFA?

    "28 suspects arrested in the campaign included 4 men in their twenties who ran the Midnight Prostitute Call website from eastern China. They also included two men accused of using a video chat service to defraud customers."

    • What's wrong with prostitution? It's my body and if I want to have an abortion & kill a fetus, I can due to those bodily rights. Likewise I should be free to sell my body in exchange fox wages. There's no valid reason to limit how I use MY body, unless you endorse enslavement.

  • It's not like America with a puritanical past, Communist regimes actually tend to suppress religion. Not that most eastern religions were like the western ones. I think the Soviet Union didn't care about that stuff, but am not entirely sure.

    So what's the deal?

  • by _Qiang_ (560206) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @06:12AM (#26495383)
    I work in the mobile game industry in beijing.

    In the past, the government had done many gang/crime enforces during certain month of year before, they call it "Yan Da" which basically mean strict enforcement.

    But everyone in china knows that It doesn't solve anything permanently and the people who are involve with such act just keep low profile and wait for it finish.

    As for the porn busting thing.. my coworkers are making jokes about it and pulling out any thing vaguely sexual. such as, you can't mention "Mei Nv"(beatiful girl) in the game description.

    Bottom line, Everything will be business as usual in a month or two.

    • by Alex Belits (437) *

      Why would property be expensive in a healthy economy in the first place? It's not US, where all wealth comes from ability to print money and stuff them into pockets of consumers by all kind of idiotic means including overpriced cardboard houses. In China people actually make stuff.

  • this month's cheque bounced. they got raided. nobody else is going to skip a payment...
  • South Korean authorities have arrested a blogger for saying the won will fall [latimes.com] after he predicted that Lehman Brothers would implode. Apparently he is being charged with "spreading false information" -- which seems funny to me, if the guy is predicting the future, how does the government know it is false? Are they claiming to be able to see the future?

  • with over a billion people, I'd want to have male births outnumber female births for awhile, and then take away all the porn.

  • AH, like the truth.

  • You keep using that word...

    I'd say that this feeble anti-porn initiative occurring 20 years after Tiananmen is a great example of a coincidence.

    (Why do people get so excited about anniversaries anyway?!)

    Perhaps a less muddled way of making your point might be to say, "Twenty years after Tiananmen, not much has changed in government policy." But we all learned that anyway, through the disgusting, ugly, wasteful and pathetic charade that was the 2008 Olympics.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by bugi (8479)

      (Why do people get so excited about anniversaries anyway?!)

      You're asking the wrong crowd. Ask your wife.

  • pr0n (Score:3, Interesting)

    by religious freak (1005821) on Saturday January 17, 2009 @03:54PM (#26499423)
    I always thought it was mainly the puritan/protestant/western religious values that drove our (i.e. Western) governments and institutions to not like porno.

    Recently I've discovered India "outlaws" (according the book I read) porn and now China is cracking down. If anything, I'd think they wouldn't care. What is it in these Eastern cultures that makes them not like porn? I didn't think they were uptight like that.

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