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MS Confirms Six Different Versions of Windows 7 758

darien writes "Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 7 will be offered in six different editions. In a seeming admission that the numerous versions of Vista were confusing to consumers, the company says that this time its marketing will focus on just two editions — 'Home Premium' and 'Professional.' But the reality is more complex, with different packages offering different subsets of the total range of Windows 7 features."
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MS Confirms Six Different Versions of Windows 7

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  • Original Sources (Score:5, Informative)

    by eldavojohn ( 898314 ) * <eldavojohn@noSpAM.gmail.com> on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @10:27AM (#26724295) Journal
    I would hesitate to use the strong language of "confirmed" as the sites in the summary just link to other PCPro articles and it's all PCPro. I can't seem to find any really formal news release or website with Microsoft's official stance on this. I think this is a bad decision but they know their business better than I do.

    From Paul Thurrott's [winsupersite.com] site (which breaks each version down by feature--don't ask me how he got them).

    Here's the most reliable source [microsoft.com] I can find where it is revealed in a Q&A with the general manager for Windows at Microsoft.

    The AP [google.com] has picked it and quotes passages from the Q&A session. So I think the majority of this is coming from a Q&A session with Mike Ybarra, general manager for Windows.

    Which gives me pause and causes me to wonder ... are they really going to use the same marketing strategy they did with Vista?
  • Re:Starter Edition (Score:5, Informative)

    by eldavojohn ( 898314 ) * <eldavojohn@noSpAM.gmail.com> on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @10:38AM (#26724417) Journal

    From TFA:

    Starter Edition: A lightweight version for netbook computers, that will only be capable of running three applications concurrently.

    Maybe someone can educate me here: are EeePCs and subnotebooks so underpowered that they can only run three programs at a time? It seems like a purely artificial limit repackaged as a "performance" feature.

    Yeah, I don't know where they got that data point in the article. From the original source [microsoft.com], Mike Ybarra mentions netbooks twice:

    The second change is that we have designed Windows 7 so different editions of Windows 7 can run on a very broad set of hardware, from small-notebook PCs (sometimes referred to as netbooks) to full gaming desktops. This way, customers can enable the scenarios they want across the broad hardware choices they have.

    Ybarra: At beta we've had a lot of people running our most premium, full-featured offering on small-notebook PCs (netbooks) with good experiences and good results. So we're pleased to see that on this class of hardware Windows 7 is running well. And of course we will continue to tune Windows 7 for performance as we move through the engineering cycle.

    Nowhere does he say anything about the 3 app limitation and you'll note he mentions that in beta their most full featured offering runs on netbooks.

    I do not know where PCPro got their information but I think this Q&A session is what started it. He seems optimistic about all versions of Windows 7 being usable on netbooks but who knows without getting field results (Vista capable, anyone)?

  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:2, Informative)

    by furby076 ( 1461805 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @10:49AM (#26724589) Homepage
    XP worked out well, so did 98. Though I remember when XP came out people screamed (for over a year) "bloatware" "Suckware"....and now it is being touted as an great OS. The only issues I had with Vista are the constant nagging reminders (even as admin user) - the inability to permenantly remove the toolbar warning that I do not have my security settings on (well cause the inability to save program files annoyed me). Performance is fine for me.

    I have windows 7 beta on my laptop - so far so good. When it comes out I will buy it for my desktop...My only annoyance is I will need to buy it twice (64 bit desktop, 32 bit laptop). Setting up the laptop to work with my wireless network was easy as pie actually. Least amount of configuration ever.
  • by jonwil ( 467024 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @10:58AM (#26724715)

    Is there a reason Microsoft cant put BitLocker, AppLocker, Cornerstone, Direct Access, Branch Cache etc into Windows 7 Professional and then just have Enterprise be a volume license product (like XP pro corp was for XP pro)?

    Is it purely a case of "those who need it can pay extra for Ultimate and get this stuff, those who dont shouldn't have to pay for it"? (i.e. money) Or is there more to it?

  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by robthebloke ( 1308483 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @11:02AM (#26724787)

    the inability to permenantly remove the toolbar warning that I do not have my security settings on

    the solution is here [mydigitallife.info]

  • Re:6 versions? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @11:07AM (#26724869) Homepage

    No it doesn't - The question is what do you get when you multiply 6 by 8....

    Getting waaaay off topic here but I think I just hit a new geek high (low?) by immidiately recognizing you're wrong. It was 6 by 9...

  • by AndrewNeo ( 979708 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @11:59AM (#26725819) Homepage
    There's money to be made selling 32-vs-64 bit editions? You are aware that if you buy 32-bit Vista, you can get the 64-bit version from Microsoft for free? The CD keys work on both.
  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) * <seebert42@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @12:38PM (#26726379) Homepage Journal

    Since just this morning [economicpopulist.org] apparently....if 10x my salary as a software engineer is a limit....

  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Chabil Ha' ( 875116 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @12:40PM (#26726405)

    This is why we won't see dx10 on XP.

    There was no architectural reason why DX10 couldn't have been ported to XP.

    The reason we won't see DX10 on XP is because it was a gimmick to get you to buy Vista. They had dropped WinFS and so many other features. IE 7 had an XP port. Except for Avalon, the new UI, MS had no leverage to get people to migrate. Too bad they botched the initial release of DX10, because that niche market (gamers) were totally turned off by them dorking it up.

  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @12:41PM (#26726423)

    Linus declared that billions of distros were greatest thing around on the monkeysphere.

    Linus did not say that. His exact quotes are:

    "I think multiple distributions aren't just a good thing, I think it's something absolutely required . . . We have hundreds of distros, and a lot of them are really for niche markets. And you need that - simply because different markets simply have different requirements, and no single distro will take care of them all."

    So Linus says that because of all the different things Linux has to do, one distro cannot handle all of it. It's just a necessity and common sense.

  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @12:41PM (#26726435)

    "all made by different groups of people"

    And YOU were saying...?

    No, Canotical doesn't make all of those. They make two.

  • Re:Original Sources (Score:3, Informative)

    by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @12:46PM (#26726477)
    The thing you left out is that all of those come from different organizations. Six different versions of Windows come from MS. To use a car analogy, the OP is complaining that Ford is offering 6 versions of the Taurus while you're saying, well, you get 20 different models of sedans from GM, Nissan, Honda, and Toyota, so that's okay. Apples to oranges.
  • Re:Starter Edition (Score:3, Informative)

    by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @12:50PM (#26726551)

    It's like saying "Well his Nissan Maxima has leather seats and Bose stereo, mine doesn't - that's an artificial decision"...response "So is the price tag".

    I get your point, but my point is that they're taking out functionality that was already there and then charging less for it. So to rephrase your analogy as I see the situation, it would be if Nissan built all Maximas with leather seats and Bose stereos, but then at the dealership they stripped off the leather and replaced it with canvas (or whatever), and put in a crappy stereo using the excuse that only audiophiles really need nice stereos.

    I don't mind paying extra to add extra features, but it seems silly to put in a artificial road block to make it seem like I'm getting more with the Home Premium Edition.

    It's called market segmentation - something companies have done for a long time.

    For example:

    Intel did it with processors - remember when some the 486sx was a DX with the floating point processor disabled?

    Shippers often ship a next day and 2 day package to the local distribution point at the same time, but often deliver the 2 day only after it sits a day.

    To your car analogy, cars sometimes will ship with features disabled and a key connector left out (even though the rest of the wiring is in place) such as for a cellphone interface.

    This allows them to sell at various price points and get more total sales. One customer might pay 10$ for an item and be willing to not have certain features, but not 15$ while another will pay 15$ if certain features are included. this way, they get the 10$ and 15$ sale for a total of $25. If they left all the features in they'd still get the $10 from the first buyer but only 10$, instead of 15$ from the second since the 10$ version now contains the features they want as well. As a result, the seller loses $5.

    It's often cheaper to leave in features and merely disable them than design and build a separate version.

  • by wicka ( 985217 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @12:57PM (#26726637)
    Well, I guess it makes sense you guys would ignore some more facts in your endless rant against Windows. It's funny that the post says "the reality is more complex," when in fact the reality is LESS complex. See, there are six versions (Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, Ultimate). Starter is NOT meant for netbooks. Starter is exactly the same as Vista Starter: meant for super super poor countries. Home Basic is an extension of that, but it is meant as a low-cost version in countries with lots of piracy.

    Let's go to the top of the list. Enterprise is just for businesses purchasing bulk licenses. Ultimate is the same as Vista Ultimate, except you're only ever going to be dealing with Ultimate if you are a techie and know where to find it - it won't be sold through normal distribution channels.

    The only two left are Home Premium and Professional. These are the only two actual consumers will deal with. They are exactly the same as XP Home and XP Pro; in fact, the only reason it's called Home Premium is because test users thought Home was a downgrade from Home Premium, so the kept the name. So there you have it: there are TWO versions of 7, and four versions for niche markets that will never be sold in stores. It's a lot like XP, where Home and Pro were considered the only two editions, but there were lots of others (Starter, MCE, Tablet PC, Embedded). But in the case, people were smart enough to understand that consumers only had to choose between two.

    It's interesting that Gizmodo and Endgadget (and any places that quoted their stories) made all this very clear, but Slashdot had to go find the one site that had their facts wrong.
  • And the only difference between those two main SKUS?

    Whether you can bind to Active Directory or not.

    Thats it. The hooks and APIs are even in Home for Active Directory, just disabled through registry keys and other such nonsense. So why not just roll it into one distro and be done with it?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @01:41PM (#26727201)

    There's money to be made selling 32-vs-64 bit editions? You are aware that if you buy 32-bit Vista, you can get the 64-bit version from Microsoft for free? The CD keys work on both.

    While correct for retail versions, OEM versions don't have the same flexibility to switch.

  • Re: Still one user (Score:3, Informative)

    by RedK ( 112790 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @02:46PM (#26728043)
    Then your website was at fault. Use standards next time.
  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by mrsmiggs ( 1013037 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @03:22PM (#26728473)

    Ubuntu Server Edition

    If we're playing server OS then Microsoft's offerings breakdown like this:

    Windows 7 Starter
    Windows 7 Home Basic
    Windows 7 Home Premium
    Windows 7 Professional
    Windows 7 Ultimate
    Windows 7 Enterprise
    Windows Server 2008 Standard Edition
    Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Edition
    Windows Server 2008 Datacenter Edition
    Windows HPC Server 2008
    Windows Web Server 2008
    Windows Storage Server 2008
    Windows Small Business Server 2008
    Windows Essential Business Server 2008
    Windows Home Server

    And until recently you could also buy the server licenses with and witout Hyper-V. There's no way anyone can argue Microsoft aren't playing games with their various editions, the server OS editions are in-particular are selling a slightly less crippled version of the same thing but at least from Server 2008 onwards they're being honest, anyone who has a volume license gets two dvds one with 32 bit OS and one with 64 bit.

  • by drachenstern ( 160456 ) <drachenstern@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @03:30PM (#26728589) Journal

    If you're talking about the impossibility of "upgrading" from x86 to amd64, as it were, well, no - that should be possible. The problem is not to do with the boot environment but rather the way the system handles "thunking" and the way it handles auxillary files. Check out %systemroot%\WinSxS and c:\Program Files (x86) vs C:\Program Files or similar directory structures. It copies any dlls that the system wants to put in system32 in there, and then references it all in a massive lookup table, allowing multiple dlls of the same type/name to be installed concurrently, without having the problems that were present in 9x. However, the difference between 64 and 32 is key, such that I don't think it's possible to "upgrade" a 32 bit install to a 64 bit install if you've installed many programs. Well, not to expect it to work afterwards.

    But there shouldn't be any problem in taking a base install up to 64 from 32 after the fact.

    Not that I would even try. Who wouldn't install 64bit at this point in time anyways? What's the benefit to not installing 64bit?

  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Quietust ( 205670 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @03:37PM (#26728687) Homepage
    The Windows 7 Beta does still have the Windows Classic style (just as Windows XP and Vista do, giving you the plain style titlebars/menus/taskbar/etc.) but it lacks the Classic Start Menu, so there's no way you can bring back the old nested menu structure first introduced in Windows 95 - instead, you're stuck with the Vista-style Start Menu and its scrolling treelist view.
  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:3, Informative)

    by RiotingPacifist ( 1228016 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @04:05PM (#26729019)

    of your examples 4 are official products (with 1 not being intended for the general public & 1 being a server) so you have 2 main releases, which is like um XP and a server (like windows 2000). There are a few oem pakages (just like XP), but there are not 7 different versions each limited in a different way.

  • Re:Obviously.... (Score:4, Informative)

    by DarthVain ( 724186 ) on Wednesday February 04, 2009 @04:12PM (#26729089)

    Having used both I call tell you simply the difference. Video Games.

    Back in 2000, my Dell came preinstalled with Windows me. Which was horrible. As soon as Win2k came out (shortly after) I installed it and it was fine. However it did have problems playing some games. Windows XP came out shortly after, which I then installed, and it had no problems playing anything. So while Win2k was good, it was responsive, did mostly what I wanted, it did have problems running some non-business type software.

    Also another advantage that I did use back then on a built machine was dual processors. XP Pro could handle two. Win2k is only one. Also there were 64bit versions of XP, and not for Win2k. Today everything in hardware is 64bit, and 2 and 4 processing cores, none of which Win2k can handle I don't think (I know the software isn't there yet for 64bit or parallel optimized programing, but all the same...). So I guess there are quite a few reasons XP was superior to Win2k after all.

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