MS To Slip IE8 Into Vista and XP Through OEMs 289
crazyeyes writes "Microsoft says it's 'optional,' but they are already planning to slip Internet Explorer 8 into all Windows Vista/XP PCs by March. MS claims that IE8 will offer better performance and security. But what about unwanted stuff like 'Monetization opportunities (for OEMs)' and 'These services will be used (by OEMs) to deliver brand exposure... to the users'?"
IE has had these for ages (Score:5, Informative)
Ever notice the "Internet Explorer provided by Dell" title bar?
Re:IE has had these for ages (Score:3, Informative)
It's a single registry key, easy to change. I've seen it used by everything from OEMs to non-malicious viruses.
Re:Rule of thumb. (Score:1, Informative)
According to the OED, monetize has been in use since 1867. Incentivize since 1968. Something tells me they were both in use well before you were even born.
Re:New computers need *SOME* sort of browser (Score:4, Informative)
Start->Run
ftp ftp.mozilla.org /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.6/win32/en-US/
cd
get "Firefox Setup 3.0.6.exe"
IE is one of the most bloated firefox download tools there is.
Re:And Microsoft deserves it. (Score:2, Informative)
But how can one disagree with the truth?
Microsoft sucks, it is a widely known fact.
I know i will be moderated troll, but you are just abusing it, i am being 100% serious here.
Microsoft pushed out crappy tools that held people back, terribly optimized, full of bugs and bad practices. (Oh hey Visual Basic, case-sensitivity would like a word!)
Not only that, they have abused their position by allowing their software to stagnate.
IE versions being the major one here, they are terribly bad compared to others through the things entire life.
And to stick an even bigger finger to everyone else, they created that crap ActiveX, which when combined with their large marketshare has led to countless millions still being held up in Microsoft stuff because they went with some shitty company to design their software.
And to take it even further, they shat all over those people when they decided not to support them.
This is just some major examples that sticks out.
So, please, for the love of computing, tell me why this is classed as opinion?
**applause** (Score:3, Informative)
Anything but IE6 (Score:3, Informative)
"Incite" (Score:5, Informative)
The word is "incite", not "incentivize". There's no need to make up a new word when the word you're looking for already exists.
Re:Rule of thumb. (Score:1, Informative)
So if I say "doing X would provide incentive to do Y" I am just fine, but if I say "X would incentivize Y" I am grotesque?
I don't think so. Your insistence on using tedious phrases when equally meaningful, but much more convenient terms exist is sort of pathetic, though.
Except, that's not an equally meaningful phrase. In fact, your second version of the sentence doesn't actually mean the same thing as your first version.
"Incentivize" generally means "motivate" or "provide incentive to". If we play the replacement game, then here are your two sentences:
"Doing X would provide incentive to do Y".
"X would provide incentive to Y" (or, alternately, "X would motivate Y").
They're actually not the same. Why the confusion? Because, instead of using simple, common phraseology that actually makes sense in standard English, you played with buzzwords that you don't really understand. The result: you've confused your audience.
So, no, you're not grotesque. But you're not really communicating, either.
Re:And Microsoft deserves it. (Score:4, Informative)
If you're on a laptop either put down two fingers on the trackpad or hold down ctrl then click. If on a desktop just click the right sid of the mouse. Seriously why is this still a reason people make fun of macs for?!
Re:IE has had these for ages (Score:3, Informative)
Since we can't do anything else, I suggest everyone who is sick of this crap exclude articles posted by kdawson in their preferences
For years I've left my preferences untouched, preferring to just take the good with the bad, but now I have finally resorted to filtering kdawson's articles out of the front page.
For new Slashdot users, however, I wouldn't recommend this tactic. If you're looking to quickly build up your karma, there's no better way than to just browse the kdawson stories and be the first to point out how horribly distorted and flawed they are.
(assuming, of course, that kdawson isn't just a puppet Taco uses to post the asinine anti-Microsoft stuff which always gets plenty of adviews)
Allegedly, "kdawson" is this guy [technologyfront.com].
Re:And? (Score:2, Informative)
The painful truth is MS products are good enough in most people's eyes, and that's all that matters at the moment. The computer is a means to an end to most people. They have real, actual concerns to deal with that don't involve nerd drama.
right and wrong at the same time. Yes, to my wife the PC is just a tool, to browse the internet and download e-mail, but even if the computer runs XP pro, she does use Firefox and Thunderbird... so if i had to change the computer to Vista, or Windows seven, I could always set up an ubuntu rig, she'd probably not even notice.
Why did I do that? because with most new versions of old software by Microsoft, be it office, IE, or vista, the unskilled user has had a more troubling experience, a steeper learning curve, and in many cases a noticeable lack of performance. try installing Vista on a 20 month old hardware, and you'll get the question "can I go back to what I was using?", followed by "is there something else?"
So no, it's not the slashdot crowd that's whining at windows anymore, it's the MS customer crowd. Slashdotters only gloat.
Re:IE8 for people already using Windows XP? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:F*ck Microsoft (Score:3, Informative)
Now, I dislike Microsoft, and I would be using a linux distro full-time if it weren't for my PC gaming, but I never run into any of the problems people go on about. Hell, I've only had one or two bluescreens since Win98 due to some crappy display drivers! This PC is on practically 24/7, and I only ever turn it off when I'm going to be away for more than four days!
Re:Rule of thumb. (Score:5, Informative)
I do think so.
There are a number of real words that would fit the bill in your example. They include...
encourage
cause
incite
persuade
and lots more. The English language has an enormous number of words. Sometimes, when there isn't an appropriate word, one needs to be invented. Sometimes they are imported from other languages and sometimes they are existing ones used in a new way.
What it does not need is sub-literate PHB buzz-speak. That fits the word "pathetic". That sort of excuse for communication just shows the need for basic literacy.
Hardly just an "opinion," certainly not personal (Score:3, Informative)
It's not ignorance - it's disagreement with your personal opinion.
If you have some kind of refutation regarding my "opinion" about IE6, then I'm interested. have my doubts that you've got any such thing, however, if you can casually dismiss it as "just an opinion."
It's certainly not just my personal opinion. It's not just groupthink opinion. It's a rather deserved judgment shared by just about every person I've ever encountered who's tried to do any serious client side development on the web, it's the opinion of tens of thousands of developers who've had to do systems or application-level development on anything Microsoft touched before Win2k, it's the opinion of tens of thousands whose projects and employment were touched by anti-competetive practices back in the day when Microsoft's market power wasn't just great it was genuinely frightening.
Re:IE has had these for ages (Score:2, Informative)
> taken a huge nosedive, any opportunity to bash them seems to be taken.
Recently?
You must be new here. Microsoft-bashing has been one of the major purposes of slashdot since the mid nineties.
Re:F*ck Microsoft (Score:1, Informative)
Heard of Ghost?