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Command Lines and the Future of Firefox 360

Barence writes "Mozilla has revealed how it plans to integrate plain text commands directly into future versions of Firefox. Dubbed Taskfox, the move sees Mozilla's Ubiquity project become part of the browser itself, allowing users to type commands directly into the address bar. You can, for example, type 'map cleveland street london' to bring up a Google Map of that location, or 'amazon-search the great gatsby' to find that book on Amazon, without visiting the website directly. 'The basic idea behind Taskfox is simple: take the time-saving ideas behind Ubiquity, and put them into Firefox,' the Taskfox wiki claims. 'That means allowing users to quickly access information and perform tasks that would normally take several steps to complete.'"
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Command Lines and the Future of Firefox

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  • by Saul Bash ( 1437909 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @11:49AM (#27389159)
    So, basically, a bunch of officially-included bookmark shortcuts.
  • by denis-The-menace ( 471988 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @11:49AM (#27389165)

    I hope it can be turned off.

  • Already doing that (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Captain Splendid ( 673276 ) <capsplendid@nOsPam.gmail.com> on Monday March 30, 2009 @11:49AM (#27389169) Homepage Journal
    With keyword search, there's dozens of websites I don't have to "visit" to use. This just seems like a more intelligent version.
  • by Greg_D ( 138979 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @11:53AM (#27389251)

    ... for Mozilla to keep their filthy commands out of the address bar. They could easily add that to the search plugin bar without any problems. I had enough trouble last night when I was trying to troubleshoot a neighbor's internet connection issues and Firefox would repeatedly send the perfectly valid address (http://192.168.1.1) I was inputting off to a google search, which of course would return a blank page, since the ultimate trouble was the cable modem, not the router nor the connection to the router.

    There needs to be a gigantic "FUCK YOU, LEAVE ME ALONE, LET ME SURF THE WEB AS THE FLYING SPAGHETTI WEASEL INTENDED" button in the settings.

  • by bjdevil66 ( 583941 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @11:53AM (#27389253)

    Screenshot from article [mozilla.com]

    The idea is interesting, but wouldn't this be better served as an add-on? That would keep Firefox true to it's add-on roots, IMO.

  • by Roadmaster ( 96317 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:00PM (#27389371) Homepage Journal

    over the past 20 years I've been amazed at how the IT world first started scorning command lines (IE the rise of Mac, Windows and GUIs in general) only to come back to them (IE Mac OS X / spotlight / Quicksilver, Windows / launchy, smart address bars, and the increasing amount of people who started using Linux with Ubuntu and are nwo flocking to the command line).

    This just proves what i'd known all along: command lines are more efficient, and although the learning curve might be a bit steeper, they just kick ass for things you have to do repeatedly. You of course learn the commands and then whiz by all those people whose motor skills barely allow them to use the mouse, yet they insist in their clickety-clickety ways.

    Many operations are easier with a GUI but getting rid of the command line altogether (mac OS 1.x-9.x, I'm looking at you) is/was never a good idea.

  • by icannotthinkofaname ( 1480543 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:01PM (#27389393) Journal

    Because new == bad [tvtropes.org]

    We know.

    No, seriously, at least give it a chance to be useful. Your prejudgment seems unwarranted, unfounded, and unnecessary. I know I'll at least try it out before either ignoring it or destroying it.

  • type "map cleveland street london" to bring up a Google Map of that location, or "amazon-search the great gatsby" to find that book on Amazon

    Users can already do that with the search text field. Example1 [google.com]. Example2 [google.com]. This new feature doesn't appear to bring any new value to the user over what is already provided.

    I'd really like to see Mozilla spend one release where they stop working on new features and focus solely on fixing bugs. The results of such an effort would be more valuable to the end user.

  • by schwit1 ( 797399 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:08PM (#27389505)
    Firefox should be focused on 3 things: speed, security and standards. Everything else should be user-controlled with add-ons.
    .

    If I wanted bloat I would use IE.

  • Firefox Redux? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Millennium ( 2451 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:17PM (#27389643)

    When Firefox was created, it was a spinoff of the Mozilla project for people who wanted 'just a browser' with extensions to fill in the rest.

    Part of me wonders if it's time to do that again: spin something new off of the Firefox project for people who want 'just a browser' with extensions to fill in the rest. Firefox has done a lot of good, just like Mozilla before it, but it seems to me like it's starting to suffer from the same bloat-over-standards problem that made the original project necessary in the first place.

    Maybe this is a cyclic thing; I don't know. Perhaps it's just plain going to be necessary to do this every few years: when a Mozilla browser gets too large, a lean child project emerges, eventually takes over, bloats up, and another lean child project emerges, and so the cycle continues.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:19PM (#27389673)

    That sounds like a lie. I just tried what you said in FF3 and there was no problem. ip address, with or without a preceding http:// takes me to wherever it points, no google search.

    Are you sure you're qualified to handle one of these machines?

  • Re:Already exists? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Kamokazi ( 1080091 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:33PM (#27389937)

    Well Firefox is doing it, therefore it is innovative and cool and must be newsworthy. No one cares about us Opera users. We're such a minority.

    But this does appear to be more robust than that. I use the hell out of it in Opera. It's really nice that you can set up custom ones, too.

  • Re:Even better (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RulerOf ( 975607 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @12:44PM (#27390093)
    Ahh yes I know there's a plug-in that'll give you the same features as IE8's InPrivate, but what I'd rather do is just block anything that matches some keywords or domains (like "pr0n" or "*.pr0n.com") from showing up in my awesome bar/history.

    Those things are right in your face when you use a browser, but if I can filter out certain things deep in a configuration setting or my registry, that'd be gold. Mainly, I want to be able to "show" someone a website without having to hammer out a URL really fast.

    [rant]WRT other accounts, I've got plenty of computers that other people could (and do) use for general web browsing/what have you, but I've gotten sick of explaining to people who simply can't fathom how profiles personalize computers for their users that I don't want other people using mine and logging out of websites like myspace or facebook or igoogle and so on... It's like getting in your car and finding all the seats and mirrors moved around, but apparently I'm the only person I know who gets royally pissed off by that kind of stuff. [/rant]
  • by Jessta ( 666101 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @01:03PM (#27390355) Homepage

    Mozilla has revealed how it plans to integrate plain text commands directly into future versions of Firefox. Dubbed Taskfox, the move sees Mozilla's Ubiquity project become part of the browser itself, allowing users to type commands directly into the address bar.

    ummmm...what happened to firefox being a bare bones base that you'd add your own addons to?

  • by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Monday March 30, 2009 @01:11PM (#27390443) Homepage

    This just proves what i'd known all along: command lines are more efficient, and although the learning curve might be a bit steeper, they just kick ass for things you have to do repeatedly.

    I would say it differently: command lines are better or more efficient for some things. Trying to do those things with a mouse may make it easier for people who don't know how to do the same thing in a command line, but someone using a command line can sometimes do the same thing more quickly and easily. On the other hand, some things are better handled by those clickety-clickety ways that are used by people who favor a GUI.

    I'm not sure we're disagreeing, but your post seems to focus on how it's a bit silly to try to get rid of the CLI, but without recognition that it's also silly to try to get rid of the GUI.

  • Stupid, stupid (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Lord Bitman ( 95493 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @01:14PM (#27390485)

    Why not just BUNDLE SOME FUCKING PLUGINS, rather than ignoring the whole plugin-based architecture you've set up?

    If you could do it just fine as a plugin, bundle the thing instead of removing the feature of not having it

  • Re:screenshots (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 30, 2009 @01:23PM (#27390613)

    I was quite sad when they stopped including quick search bookmarks with the default installation of firefox. Having wikipedia search built in (and not from the search box where I have to explicitly set it, with the mouse no less!) to my friend's computers, the library computers, etc was so nice.

  • by reashlin ( 1370169 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @01:32PM (#27390729)
    Take opera into address bar type g hello world search google for hello work. type w WW2 Search wikipedia for WW2 go to anything that has a search function, right click and Create search. Find a "keyword" that makes sense. New command added. Has been like that for years.
  • by Norsefire ( 1494323 ) * on Monday March 30, 2009 @01:55PM (#27391077) Journal
    I'm really liking the uninformed bullshit about this being bookmark keywords with a GUI. Do you have a keyword to go back? Home? Forward? Stop? Restart firefox? Act as a calculator? Check next Tuesday's schedule in google calandar instantly? There is a tonne of things ubiquity can do and while it's true some of it's functionality can be mirrored by keywords I would like to see a keyword bookmark that allows you to do "add lunch with jim tomorrow" to your google calandar.
  • by Richy_T ( 111409 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @04:21PM (#27392953) Homepage

    unneeded integrated features have more overhead than uninstalled add-ons.

  • by pohl ( 872 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @04:48PM (#27393257) Homepage

    Some things are very easily communicated by pointing & grunting. ("Please pass the salt", for example.) Other things are very hard to express by pointing & grunting, and require the expressiveness of compose-able grammatical elements. Your experience with the most crude machine and command set has blinded you to the latter.

  • Irritating (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Runaway1956 ( 1322357 ) on Monday March 30, 2009 @06:20PM (#27394679) Homepage Journal
    There were no GUI's when I started playing with PC's. I had to learn how to do everything from the command line. Then, they created GUI's which I learned to use. Then, they created Windows, thereby making all those cool GUI's obsolete. Then, I finally learned Linux, making Windows obsolete - still with GUI's. Now, they are returning to the command line, except, I have to learn how THEY WANT IT DONE. Balls. I don't need this crap. It's not so much that you can't teach an old dog new tricks - but the damned dog's days are numbered. He isn't going to waste them learning yet a new way of doing stuff.

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