US Military Issuing iPod Touches To Soldiers 323
644bd346996 writes "Newsweek has an article about the latest weapons in the US military's arsenal. The iPod Touch and the iPhone are being adapted as general purpose handhelds for soldiers in the field. 'Apple gadgets are proving to be surprisingly versatile. Software developers and the US Department of Defense are developing military software for iPods that enables soldiers to display aerial video from drones and have teleconferences with intelligence agents halfway across the globe. Snipers in Iraq and Afghanistan now use a "ballistics calculator" called BulletFlight, made by the Florida firm Knight's Armament for the iPod Touch and iPhone. Army researchers are developing applications to turn an iPod into a remote control for a bomb-disposal robot (tilting the iPod steers the robot). In Sudan, American military observers are using iPods to learn the appropriate etiquette for interacting with tribal leaders.'"
The EULA (Score:5, Interesting)
We've all had a good laugh at that clause but they may actually be close to breaching it.
Great idea (Score:2, Interesting)
Hmmm (Score:5, Interesting)
I like the idea. Smartphones have enough computing power and sufficient battery life to perform militarily useful functions, with a minimum of added weight to the soldiers gear.
I'm not sure about the platform choice though. One company controls the hardware and software. There are no alternatives in either category that allow you to benefit from prior investments- replacing the hardware or OS requires junking everything you already have. And if the public APIs don't let you do what you need, and Apple can't or won't, it won't do what you need and thats that.
Android, or even Windows Mobile, I think would be better. A lot easier to switch to another device and minimize training costs, a lot easier and cheaper to get a device custom designed and built for specific military applications. These two are far more open- anyone with a properly trained engineering team and some money can make devices for these platforms. You need a specialized gadget integrated? You'll have a dozen companies salivating at defense budget dollars. You'll get it done, balancing capability and cost will be a meaningful choice and you can make it based on the needs and the budget, not because it's the best of limited options.
Re:Great idea (Score:3, Interesting)
Your average grunt is joe schmo. I have a few friends who all served in Iraq. All of them had electronic gadgets to help pass the time. They had ipods, laptops, digital cameras, hand held gaming systems etc. One of my friends bought his fancy $2000 digital SLR and it survived no problem. One friend did have his mp3 cd player broken when some guy was throwing rocks at him. Other than that all their gadgets made it back just fine. BUT I am not suggesting Ipods and the like are battle field ready gear. Maybe Apple will team up with a military contractor to provide mil-spec units if they prove to be useful.
Tradeoffs, tradeoffs... (Score:3, Interesting)
Beyond that, though, there is some truth to the old cliche "the perfect is the enemy of the good". Which are you better off with, the Touch running off-the-shelf software for under $250 a unit now, or the hardened mil-spec widget wending its way through the contractor process that will cost 4 times as much and be available in small quantities in 8 months?
I'd be very disappointed to hear that soldiers had grown critically dependent on the things, and wandered around lost whenever they didn't have them; but, assuming that is avoided, what is the issue? If a device improves your performance, and is available 90% of the time, you are better off on average. If these devices turn out to only last an average of 6 months, then we'll need to treat them as a consumable, hardly a novel procedure. Anybody who operates on the assumption that consumer gear will survive as well in Tora Bora as it does in Starbucks is a moron; but that isn't the only assumption you can operate on.
Re:Great idea (Score:4, Interesting)
Not. Unless they are getting milspec units I wonder how many lives are being put in danger by using consumer products in such varied environments.
Soldiers have been using consumer grade electronics in the field for a very long time now. Army procurement in Iraq & Afghanistan is glacial at best and more often than not, its easier to order something stateside and have is shipped over either by the company or your family.
And now for a tragedy in two parts:
Date: December 2004
Setting- SecDef Rumsfeld is taking questions from 2,300 soldiers in a hangar at Camp Buehring, Kuwait.
Part 1.
Army Spc. Thomas Wilson: My question is more logistical. We've had troops in Iraq for coming up on three years and we've always staged here out of Kuwait. Now why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromise ballistic glass to up-armor our vehicles and why don't we have those resources readily available to us?
[Applause from the soldiers]
Sec Def Rumsfeld: I missed the first part of your question. And could you repeat it for me?
Army Spc. Thomas Wilson: Yes, Mr. Secretary. Our soldiers have been fighting in Iraq for coming up on three years. A lot of us are getting ready to move north relatively soon. Our vehicles are not armored. We're digging pieces of rusted scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass that's already been shot up, dropped, busted, picking the best out of this scrap to put on our vehicles to take into combat. We do not have proper armament vehicles to carry with us north.
Part 2.
Sec Def Rumsfeld: I talked to the General coming out here about the pace at which the vehicles are being armored. They have been brought from all over the world, wherever they're not needed, to a place here where they are needed. I'm told that they are being - the Army is - I think it's something like 400 a month are being done. And it's essentially a matter of physics. It isn't a matter of money. It isn't a matter on the part of the Army of desire. It's a matter of production and capability of doing it.
As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
The End
Re:How well do they take being dropped / shot at? (Score:4, Interesting)
It's about time (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Toggle (Score:3, Interesting)
I was more reminded of this Doonesbury [doonesbury.com].
Re:Why are they just doing this now? (Score:2, Interesting)
No, it's not. The iPhone OS is a nice, easy platform to develop for. If you're stuck in windows thinking, maybe it's frustrating to you because you're made to use MVC, or cause it doesn't work the way windows does. But that's your mental limitations, not a problem with the platform.
Having done both, I'd go with the iPhone.
Apple used to hate the military (Score:4, Interesting)
Back in the day when the Steves ran Apple there was a very strong understanding the Apple won't sell anything to the military for any reason, especially for warfare. Of course the military wasn't ever directly sold Apple products, but they aquired them through third party purchasers and ended up being in the missile silos anyway.
I would imagine this business decree was tossed out with Jobs to help bolster sales any way they could.
That, my friends, is where my fanboy history ends - I bought a PC and ran linux. The rest I read in the flame wars here.
Re:Iraq and Motorola Talkabouts (Score:5, Interesting)
Loved those things. We used them through most of our deployment. You couldn't say everything, but we used code for some stuff or just told people to get to a phone or encrypted radio so you could talk in the clear. The range was short, but usually enough for talking around the camp or for a gate detail or patrol to communicate. It wasn't actually that we had a shortage of milspec radios, it was more that the damned things weigh 25 pounds. Not something you want to be carrying in addition to your weapon, ballistic vest, ammo, helmet, water, etc. We had a small supply of police type radios that could be encrypted for clear communications, but even those are fairly heavy and we had fewer of them. The battalion commander briefly tried to ban them, but we convinced him that we knew how to avoid classified conversations over plain text, and that there were no real practical alternatives.
Re:Not nitpicking (Score:3, Interesting)
You proved that many times over in your posts here throughout the years. But at least you're not in denial.
You know, at least I have the balls to log in & admit I've made a stupid mistake.
You? Anonymously snipe & never admit your stupidity.
You are in denial.
Re:Parent has a point.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Well now, there you go again using your brain.
The superest, smartyest people in the whole USA work on this stuff.
You know like Geithner.
Yet they have no clue that all the parts come from China.
And most parts are not stocked, and qtys over 100-500 are 60-90 day lead times.
We wouldn't know how to fab a microchip here if our lives depended on it.
Re:Why are they just doing this now? (Score:3, Interesting)
Amusingly the argument is usually the other way round - Iphone user asserts that even though it might not have any extra features, it's better because it's "much nicer".
The point is that everyone's preference varies, and it's subjective - this argument isn't valid either way, and no phones or PDAs are actually better by this measure.
Re:Great idea (Score:3, Interesting)
lol...
[shot of bin laden sitting in dark cave, lit by monitor glow. Windows moviemaker is visible over his shoulder]
"I'm going to make a little video here that I made with my camera [quick pan to sony handicam with CIA property barcode]. Here we go."
"I like windows vista because it makes this job so easy. I just drag this file into the player window, see, and then I cut out the boring parts like this... and done. Now I just add a music track from windows media player, like this jonas brothers song here. I love them! OK so now I just export to disc, select dvd, ok, and we're off!"
[Jump shot to CNN-looking fake news broadcast] "A new propoganda video has led the intelligence community to believe that Bin Laden has a professional hollywood production team working with him in the mountains of pakistan."
[jump to intel analyst] "I have a Mac at home, and even *I* couldn't create such a good-looking video! Look at those credits! He used the Papyrus font! That's so cool!"
[jump to news broadcast again] [propoganda video is playing, with jonas bros soundtrack while insurgents cross monkey bars at a training camp]
[voice over during fade to MS Vista logo] "I'm Osama bin Laden, and I'm a PC"
-b