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Verbage is Not Final (Score:5, Insightful)
'We won't be actually selling [Windows 7] a day before the 23rd October.'
I hate to break it to you but that merely means the earliest possible date they could get Windows 7 is October 23rd. I'll bet that if everything goes on track perfectly according to schedule with the release candidate from now until October 23rd, that will be the release date. I'm going to bet--like with 90% of multi-million lines of code projects--that there will be at least some slipping in the schedule.
It's simply too far out there to be a solid date. I'm not sold, I feel this is a good hint but still just speculation. Vendors asked Microsoft when the earliest possible date is and they mistakenly relayed that to customers setting an expectation for their product.
Re:Verbage is Not Final (Score:5, Funny)
It's a bit like delays on trains. If your train is just about due to arrive and they schedule a 15 minute delay, there is a reasonable chance that it will actually be delayed by 15 minutes. If your train is not due to leave for an hour and they put up a 15 minute delay, it will clearly be delayed by a lot more than 15 minutes. The delay will gradually increase during the next hour according to some complex non-linear formula I've never been quite able to derive.
Sometimes, the delay time is listed as "unknown". This is the Duke Nukem Forever of train delays. At this point, it's usually quicker just to walk, even if your journey is several hundred miles.
(for context, I live in the UK)
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Off-topic: Live departure and arrival times for British trains [nationalrail.co.uk] -- type in a station, e.g. Clapham Junction [livedepart...ards.co.uk]. Then click "Details" for one of the listed trains, and you can see the times it passed through all the preceding stations on its route, and if it was late, and the predicted time it will arrive at the rest of the stations on its route (depending on why the train is delayed, it might make up the time). This is the same information as is displayed in the station (actually, more information). Also availa
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It's a bit like delays on trains. If your train is just about due to arrive and they schedule a 15 minute delay, there is a reasonable chance that it will actually be delayed by 15 minutes. If your train is not due to leave for an hour and they put up a 15 minute delay, it will clearly be delayed by a lot more than 15 minutes. The delay will gradually increase during the next hour according to some complex non-linear formula I've never been quite able to derive.
Sometimes, the delay time is listed as "unknown". This is the Duke Nukem Forever of train delays. At this point, it's usually quicker just to walk, even if your journey is several hundred miles.
(for context, I live in the UK)
I had to take your trains last summer when I studied abroad.
My heart goes out to all you poor blokes.
(ok ok, actually, it wasn't that bad, but it was just as expensive as flying (in the states).)
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"It's simply too far out there to be a solid date. I'm not sold, I feel this is a good hint but still just speculation. "
Let me just state the obvious: it is trivial to release exactly on time if the completeness and the quality of your product is secondary.
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Re:Verbage is Not Final (Score:4, Interesting)
Personally, I think October is more realistic. Just mentioning what the "official" Microsoft email said.
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A sure thing (Score:3, Funny)
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Like when Windows 4 hit the shelves in October 1993 as promised!
(the irony with Windows 4 being retitled "Windows 95" here folk)
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Or, like with Vista, they'll simply release the OS before it's actually ready for public consumption.
Planned leak (Score:5, Insightful)
What gets me about this sort of leak is that we all treat it as some sort of big news when in reality we are leaked information in this way all the time. Notice that it is always someone high up in the foodchain talking to someone in the media.
A real accidental leak would be something overheard at a bar where the speaker didn't know a reporter was listening. But when the guy says it straight out to a reporter, that isn't leaking, that's just an unofficial announcement.
Remember when Adam Osborne announced that the next version of his PC would be better than his current one and everyone stopped buying in anticipation? Leaks are always carefully planned but don't always have the effect you're looking for.
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That would qualify as a rumor, not a leak. Rumors come from unknown sources with unknown provenance - leaks come from known sources with a known provenance.
A leak is something that is let slip, while an unofficial announcement is something done deliberately. Telling the dif
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What gets me about this sort of leak is that we all treat it as some sort of big news when in reality we are leaked information in this way all the time. Notice that it is always someone high up in the foodchain talking to someone in the media.
A real accidental leak would be something overheard at a bar where the speaker didn't know a reporter was listening. But when the guy says it straight out to a reporter, that isn't leaking, that's just an unofficial announcement.
Remember when Adam Osborne announced that the next version of his PC would be better than his current one and everyone stopped buying in anticipation? Leaks are always carefully planned but don't always have the effect you're looking for.
It's no surprise they're doing this on purpose.
What gets me is how great this viral marketing is working. Even I've got 7 fever-- I just want to get rid of XP (supposedly 7 is faster than Vista at games; I'm CPU limited in Vista but not as much in XP).
That's unfortunate (Score:2, Funny)
My birthday is the release data and I rather it not be dragged down by another depressing version of Windows.
So basically... (Score:2, Insightful)
Good (Score:5, Funny)
Finally the Empire will crush the rebel scum and bring order to the galaxy.
Help me get with the program... (Score:5, Funny)
Hi, I'm looking for a list of talking points about why Windows 7 is horrible. They must be emotionally charged, unfounded, and repeated often enough that people start to believe. Preferably, I would like the opinion of people who think they know things about operating systems offering technical reasons why it is bad. That way my opinion seems more real, like the kids say.
Also, please leave things like facts out of this...they are unamerican and unnecessary in most of life.
Mole Day!! (Score:2, Interesting)
Thanks to my high school chemistry teacher Mr. Weisbrook, 10/23 will forever be known as Mole Day.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/dictionariesglossaries/g/defmole.htm [about.com]
6.022 x 10^23
Re:Mole Day!! (Score:5, Funny)
Greetings. Clearly you are new to Slashdot. I think you will fit in better if you would stop linking to about.com instead of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is the only authoritative source for scientific information, popular culture and anything else.
Also, it is important to note that all posts must contain at least one mispelling.
Abide by these rules and one day you will be an accepted member of Slashdot.
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Not necessarily. Slashdot had a competition of some sort last year, and one of the prizes was an abandoned low-UID account.
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As a result, of course, I've started treating everyone with a UID lower than me as though they'd bought their account. ...so, uh, "Nimey" (if that is your real name) how much didya pay for yours?
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I had to be the guest of honor at a bukkake party with all the editors.
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Actually on an unfunny note, the about.com article incorrectly states that a mole is 6.022 * 10^23. That is only an approximation. It was presented to me as an exact as well when I was in H.S., but that is not correct.
23 Oct. 2009? (Score:2)
... a date which will live in infamy.
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When the date slips... (Score:2, Funny)
I want to read this year's Halloween memo.
not really news (Score:2)
Push up Ubuntu 9.10? (Score:2)
Ubuntu 9.10 is currently slated to be released six days later [ubuntu.com].
Could it possibly be worth advancing Ubuntu's release date by about 10 days, just to steel Microsoft's thunder?
Eight years, one day later (Score:2)
If Microsoft's management had been on top of their sh
Should be an upgrade for Vista users (Score:2, Insightful)
I still believe that Windows 7 should be a free upgrade to Windows Vista buyers...It's been a very short run for Vista and with people having forked out for Vista I think that Microsoft may have a difficult time charging again for Windows 7.
right in the release of Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala (Score:2)
Re:How long before SP1? (Score:4, Interesting)
Take for instance the beta program. There's no secret windows 7 is coming. People are already holding off, without a date in mind.
Take for instance the discontinuation of Windows XP. I know tons of people who aren't buying Vista, and since they stopped selling xp, people just aren't buying windows.
I work in computer repair, and now, more than ever, people are just getting 6 year old computers fixed because they don't want vista, no matter what.
I think MS needs a new PR department.
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Re:How long before SP1? (Score:5, Informative)
Take for instance the beta program. There's no secret windows 7 is coming. People are already holding off, without a date in mind.
I work for a large school district in PA and they're holding off for 7 until the 2010-2011 school year. IT staff can get it now since the RC is out, but until then nobody in the district wants to touch Vista unless it's specially requested.
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Re:How long before SP1? (Score:5, Funny)
Vista may suck, but I hear Microsoft Mojave is really good! ;)
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Uh yeah. When I saw the headline, the first thing I thought was, "why is every piece of information about 7 coming out as a leak?"
I wouldn't install Vista with a ten foot pole. Now, maybe I'm an idiot for buying into the "Vista: bad" hype, but, well, I bought into it already, and so did lots of other people.
MS is working on 7 *because* Vista sucks (or is widely perceived to suck). We all know this. No need to try to hide anything. Just tell us what you're doing so we can prepare for 7.
I almost don't believe
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"I almost don't believe that every single tidbit of info on 7 genuinely leaking out. It just has to be deliberate. Lots of mundane details are coming out as "leaks" and I think it's because "leak" sounds more interesting than "announcement"."
Exactly.
But what is wrong about Vista?
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Now, maybe I'm an idiot for buying into the "Vista: bad" hype
Yes, you are.
Just tell us what you're doing so we can prepare for 7.
They're taking Windows Mojave and renaming it "Windows 7". See, now you don't have to worry about buying the evil Vista!
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What has this to do with SP1?
Absolutely nothing. GP replied to the highest post rather than making their own thread.
Re:How long before SP1? (Score:5, Funny)
You can't polish a turd (try it sometime
Actually, according to the mythbusters you can and they did.... :)
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Re:How long before SP1? (Score:4, Informative)
Holy Shit! You aren't full of it! [discovery.com]
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That being said, I still challenge you to go to walmart and find me an XP machine. Or find an easily accessible XP retail copy for your new vista machine (note, installing OEM on a computer after it's built is against the EULA).
Maybe it's not impossible, but for an average computer user, it's vanished from their eyes.
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You said people weren't buying Vista.
Therfore, those people wouldn't be looking to replace their non-existent Vista with XP, would they?
In case you haven't noticed, DELL is the largest OEM there is, and they still offer plenty of XP options.
Walmart?
Go to?
Let's look at their in-store items:
http://www.walmart.com/browse/Computers/Desktop-Computers/_/N-2pbh?ic=48_0&catNavId=41937&ref=125875.126125%20501457.501458&tab_value=37_Store [walmart.com]
XP!
XP exists if you want, and yes, you can still get the retail vers
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How is this a troll? It's a factual correction the parent, which is more of a troll (suggesting MS needs a new PR department).
Oh /., you fucking piece of shit.
Re:How long before SP1? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd be shocked if Win7 does not roll out smooth as butter. I've been using it on 3 machines for a few months and 1 of those is very old, one is moderately old and the last is fairly new. I use it with lots of old programs and legacy hardware--no problems. It is dialed in folks. If you have any use for the new features then it is pretty much safe to upgrade but you just have to accept that you need to do a clean install and that the programs that Vista broke will still be broken in Win7.
For me I lost Abobe Acrobat 6 when i went to Vista and it isn't like Win7 will now rescue that for me (though maybe with the VM...). BUt really it comes down to features. Check the features because you might even find a few that appeal to you. Personally I'm a big fan of desktop search and I really like that feature in Vista and, I think, they optimized that even further in Win7. I like Previous Versions for all folders. I like the enhanced backup functions. I like the ability to pin things to the taskbar. Also, and maybe it is silly, but I like that control panel comes up as soon as I click it rather than a 1 second delay as the icons are rendered (that shit has pissed me off for years).
Anyway, I just don't think the "wait for SP2" wisdom holds here...
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You do realise only idiots and people with an agenda tend to call Windows 7 'Vista SP3', don't you?
Would you prefer ME2.1 or perhaps Vista SE?
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If Vista is the greatest selling OS, why is a successor launched so soon?
Since when is 3 years soon? Looking back at Windows releases they had 1995, 1998, 2000, 2001. One of the biggest problems Microsoft had with Vista was the fact that they went over 5 years before releasing it. This led to the compatibility issues, the significant change in hardware requirements, and most of Vista's other problems.
They said they would never again go 5 years between OS releases and it's probably one of their better ideas.
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nobody cares faggot
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