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Comments: 279 +- Technology: Windows 7 Pre-Orders Top Vista's In Just 8 Hours on Thursday July 16 2009, @10:04AM
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Barence writes "In order to ensure Windows 7 got off to a better start than Vista in the UK, Microsoft slashed the cost of Home and Home Professional by a third on promotional copies which were sold on a 'first come, first served basis while stocks last.' The promotion ensured Windows 7 shot to the top of Amazon's charts when it was released yesterday, with the online retailer claiming that 'sales in the first eight hours outstripped those of Windows Vista's entire 17-week pre-order period.' The price of pre-ordering Windows 7 has now shot up to £80, after the £50 copies sold out within a day."
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Preordering Windows? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Preordering Windows? (Score:5, Funny)
Can't wait for a 192KHz, 7.1 surround tada.wma
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Uhm, I guess someone should tell you this before you get your hopes up too high, you can't really hear 192KHz (and very few speaker and amplifiers can even go that high). I'm afraid to have to do with the old tada.wma. ;p
There's a difference between "sounds" at a frequency of 192KHz and sounds that are within the range of human hearing which just happen to be sampled 192,000 times per second.
Just 7? (Score:5, Funny)
"Windows 7 Pre-Orders Top Vista's In Just 8hrs" - So Vista only had 6 pre-orders?
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(Also surely this Microsoft & Amazon PR stunt is actually the opposite of success? ... Because if any company released a truly desirable product people would be willing to pay a premium to own that product. Yet Microsoft & Amazon are trying to claim success by reducing its price... (talk about lies, damned lies and PR)).
First off, EVERYONE was running a sale on the upgrade. That was a Microsoft offer, not Amazon's. Just like getting a laptop with Vista now, will earn you a free upgrade.
Business drop the price all the time to see if they can sell more items. They make less of a profit per item, but make up for that in quanity. Very useful in the software business where the materials involved (disc and packaging) in the product cost pennies.
NO ONE is willing to pay a premium for something in this economy that's not a NEED. S
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Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:2, Interesting)
It's not too expensive, it's a great piece of software, and the best OS Microsoft has put out yet.
Say what you will about Linux or OSX, but I honestly think that Windows 7 is going to have a good future.
Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:5, Insightful)
No, I would have to say that Windows 7 is still overpriced. Without it being able to be pirated or sold at a reasonable price it will never have the share that XP does.
XP is Windows 7 competition, not Linux or OSX.
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Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:4, Insightful)
A $200 OS for a $400 computer is "not too expensive?" What planet do you live on?
Great piece of software? That remains to be seen, and depends on your definition of "great". Kind of meaningless marketspeak if you ask me. What makes it so great?
Best OS Microsoft has put out? Probably.
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Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:5, Informative)
Because Slashdot has an inherent Microsoft bias, and since I work with *nix systems on a relative level that I do with Windows systems, I find much of the FUD here to be ridiculous and that of uneducated users of the Windows platform.
Read some other comments of mine, I've talked about the Click n Run technology Linux was supposed to debut that I thought was great, and other things as well -- just in recent history I suppose they've been more MS centric but then again, Windows 7 finally got me excited about Microsoft OSes again. Server 2008 did also.
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Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Try powershell for your CLI stuff. Works wonders, we automate our entire infrastructure with it.
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Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:5, Insightful)
You know, I've seen this phrase pop up from a lot of people, I'm sure only some of them all shills. Your OS shouldn't be exciting, it's just a platform to launch a tool on, and those tools are increasingly more platform-agnostic.
I'll bite -- why shouldn't an OS be exciting? I spend a lot of time using the OS to launch programs, manipulate running programs, and shuffle files around. Those are just pretty normal user tasks; power users also get to spend time controlling user accounts, managing permissions, directly interacting with hardware, and sometimes even using the operating system's API to write programs.
If an OS comes along that can do those tasks in ways that are more efficient or more powerful than previous editions of the operating system, why shouldn't I be excited?
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Re:Can't say I'm surprised.... (Score:4, Funny)
Or, maybe he's a pleased and enthusiastic Microsoft customer.
Wait.... I think I saw this one on MythBusters :)
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What's so exciting... (Score:3, Insightful)
about a new operating system these days. DRM? The idea of paying a wad of cash for something that one already has but for something slightly newer that's had a facelift?
Every other OS stinks (Score:5, Interesting)
Someone I was talking to the other day made a good point. Every other OS Microsoft has put out in the last 10 - 15 years or so has sucked.
Win7 = TBD - Looking good as of now
Vista = Horrible
XP = Pretty Good
ME = Rancid
2000 = Not Bad
NT 4 = Not Bad, but severely limited
Re:Every other OS stinks (Score:4, Insightful)
Win7 = TBD - Looking good as of now
Vista = Bad
XP = Pretty Good
ME = Rancid
2000 = Pretty Good.
NT 4 = Good.
BOB = OMGWTF?
Vista isn't horrible. It has some issue that can be solved by turing off some features. SHould the user ahve to tunr off features to stop getting apop up, and having there disk grind all that time? no. Other then that thee only crashes I have seen ahve been due to hardware problems. Something that can impact ANY OS.
IT is getting harder and harder to rag on MS for OS performance. There are business and philosophical issues.
Are there technically better OS's? Yes, but that doesn't matter. While they are technically better, the difference doesn't really add much value to the home consumer. You see it in large scale systems, becasue the cost begins to become very apparent, pretty quickly. I ahve said this many time, the killer app for Linux is wide scale desktop business adoption.
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Re:Every other OS stinks (Score:4, Funny)
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Well, I'm sure everyone is comforted... (Score:2)
Currys (Score:2)
... are still advertising it for £44.99.
It's very possible that they're just being retarded and will later say "sorry, you were too late, order cancelled" but it's worth a go.
Price Gouging (Score:2)
There is no cheaper upgrade version of Windows 7 in Europe. So, for Win7 Home Premium, it's either pay £50 now or ... three times that much later on.
It seems that £50 is what people are willing to pay for a decent OS. More than willing to pay. Which suggests that the OS is overpriced and that if some form of competition were introduced, the price would plummet and MS would be unable to sell their new shiny OS for 150 clams without falling victim to that competition (assuming no dirty
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It is overpriced. Vista was a horrible dead horse. Essentially a dead horse with lipstick. I have 3 machines with Vista on it. I have 10 machines with Linux and about 8 with XP. The linux boxes run more stably and are more customizable. I can change the look with little effort. Software is easy to install.
Vista is horrible. I spend my days as a small business owner supporting Windows based products. I make my income off it. I spend a good deal of that time (about 90% of it) cleaning computers of m
while stocks last? (Score:5, Insightful)
Is there a shortage of electrons?
Re:while stocks last? (Score:4, Funny)
I don't think so. A shortage of electrons? That's the most absur
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It wasn't because of the price... (Score:2, Funny)
Headline Translation: (Score:2, Insightful)
Man I hate Windows! Oohhh I bet Windows will solve that problem!
It is just Vista SP X (Score:3, Interesting)
... and people are acting crazy. When I used vista, I have absolute no problem with it, so I don't understand what with the Windows 7 hype. From what I have heard, it is just Vista with the retarded parts removed.
But I have no reason to care about Windows world anymore, switched to Linux half a year ago and now I am a happy Linux user :) There may never be an year of Linux or its market will never go past 10%, but I can use it comfortably now, so it is fine with me.
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I use Vista right now, and it's fairly stable, but it's a little slow, even after I had to turn all the retarded parts off.
What I find strange is that the people that use MS software out of choice continually put up with and reward a company that regularly bends them over a barrel and gives them downright awful or just mostly awful software with every other release.
Re:It is just Vista SP X (Score:4, Interesting)
"When I used vista, I have absolute no problem with it"
Obviously, you ran Vista on a recent high powered machine, with super graphics. Unfortunately, as part of the marketing hype, Vista was sold on new machines that were seriously underpowered, with crumby onboard graphics. So, even on expensive new machines, businesses and consumers found that Vista sucked. Win7, however, rocks along nicely on almost any machine with a CPU over 1 Ghz. You may or may not be able to use the Aero features, but it runs stable, and performance is decent.
I have found that Vista sucked even harder in virtual machines - but Win7 is perfectly happy inside a virtual machine.
I just don't know how else to spell it out. Vista was a terribly expensive mistake, and in today's economy, few people or businesses can afford expensive mistakes.
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So what does this really prove... (Score:4, Insightful)
...except that we've had ample time to critique and review both Vista and Windows 7, and the general conclusion is that what we know about Vista NOW is completely different from what we knew about Vista when it was first released. And the general knowledge about Windows 7 is much more positive than current perceptions about Vista
Hmmm. What was that about hindsight...?
Surprise! (Score:3, Interesting)
Make a good product and people might actually be willing to give you money for it
Imagine a world where businesses actually made their products better to get sales rather than skimming quality to reduce margins for more profit
Upgrade Path... (Score:5, Funny)
Microsoft:
YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO UPGRADE WINDOWS VISTA, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?
Yes.
ARE YOU REALLY SURE?
Yes.
ARE YOU REALLY REALLY SURE?
*****yes!******
OK, THEN. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO ASK YOU THAT NOW. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT FOR BEING A PICKY CONSUMER AND SUPPORTING THAT WHOLE "ANTI-TRUST" NONSENSE. INGRATE.
Just get on with it.
ATTEMPTING TO INSTALL WINDOWS 7. FIRST WE NEED TO CHECK YOUR SYSTEM FOR COMPATIBILITY. THIS COULD TAKE SEVERAL DAYS.
Groan.
THE INSTALL PROGRAM HAS DETECTED SEVERAL POSSIBLE PROBLEMS AND WILL NOT LET YOU INSTALL 7.
Problems? What problems?
THE VIDEO CARD YOU ARE USING APPARENTLY DOES NOT WORK WITH THE MOTHERBOARD.
But I'm using it at this very moment.
THAT IS IRRELEVANT.
But if the video card isn't working with the mother board then I can't very well see this warning message telling me that the video card wasn't...
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FOOL ME WITH LOGIC, I AM A MICROSOFT PRODUCT. LOGIC DOES NOT WORK ON ME. I HAVE ALSO FOUND THE FOLLOWING MINOR ERRORS: WINDOWS 7 IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE FOLLOWING HARDWARE - MONITOR, KEYBOARD, MEMORY CHIPS, MOTHERBOARD BIOS, WEB CAM, SCANNER, SOUND CARD, USB CONTROLLER, CD/R DRIVE, MICROPHONE, AND FLIGHT STICK.
All that?
YES. AND THE HARD DRIVE IS RIGHT OUT TOO. WE DON'T LIKE THE MANUFACTURER.
Well what *DOES* work?
THE MOUSE.
The mouse?
YES. AND THE 5 1/4 DRIVE.
I don't have a 5 1/4 drive.
YES YOU DO.
No I don't.
WHAT'S THAT THEN?
It's a DVD R/W drive.
NO IT ISN'T.
Yes it is.
YOU'RE NOT THAT SMART YOU KNOW.
Look, can you just upgrade Vista on my system and I'll download the latest drivers for everything later? Please?
WAIT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN *YOUR* SYSTEM?
Well it is mine.
NO IT ISN'T.
It bloody well is.
NUH-UH. YOU SIGNED THE AGREEMENT WHEN YOU OPENED THE BOX. OUR SYSTEM. IT'S OURS. AND YOU CAN ONLY DO 4 CHANGES BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PAY US MORE MONEY.
But why?
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE LICENSE WORKS, IDJIT. WE CAN'T VERY WELL HAVE PEOPLE PUTTING HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE ON THEIR SYSTEMS ALL HIGGLEDY PIGGLEDY, NOW COULD WE? YOU USERS WOULD MUCK EVERYTHING UP, AND THEN WHERE WOULD WE BE? I'LL TELL YOU WHERE, NOWHERE. THAT'S WHERE. I... HEY, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? IS THAT A DISK? WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT DISK? YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN THE DRIVE ARE YOU? YOU ARE! WHAT'S ON THAT DISK? IS THAT LINUX? YOU'RE INSTALLING LINUX?? WHY WOULD YOU INSTALL LINUX WHEN I AM INFINITELY MORE POWE..........
Ubuntu-9.04 #
Re:Upgrade Path... (Score:4, Informative)
Ubuntu-9.04 # ed
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LET ME EXIT DAMNIT FUCK argghhhghghghndfklnfklnfnafintrffneafidsinfo
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I'm never first (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm never first to buy any piece of software. I don't like paying to beta test software, and with MS's current record with OS's, I'm apprehensive at best to purchase this. And I still hate how MS wipes your MBR. For the love of god MS, some of us run dual boot systems.
At the very least, give us an option.
News? (Score:4, Informative)
Somehow, this hardly seems like news. Windows 7 is a much better planned and engineered system than Vista ever was. Vista was shoved down our throats, while 7 takes into consideration what people need and want. I run 7 on machines that Vista just barfed at, meaning I don't need to spend 600 bucks on hardware to please Microsoft.
Yes, of course Win7 outsells Vista immediately. The humorous news will be coming out in the months ahead, when organizations that adopted Vista, like the US Army, find that they are unable to do things that Win7 users can do. Right now, I have almost no idea what those things might be - but most likely it will be driver related. No one is going to develop for Vista!!
Just wait for it.......
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Say what? You in for a rude awakening when 7 is actually released. It will be "shoved down your throat" more so than Vista ever was, especially if it is moderately successful. The only reason for 7's existence and XP's continued presence is because of the awful press (in my opinion, justified) and that companies and home users basically rebelled against Vista. The key is to watch for Win7 only features like i
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Re:Great startegy (Score:5, Interesting)
Ah, but may I mention that this time you don't need to be fooled by believing pre-release hype. You could have tried the beta and you can try the RC. I'm running the RC at home. I like it. If/when/whatever I buy Win 7 it won't be because of hype. It will be because I've run the RC for ~6 months and have found it to work well.
I hope that's not considered "hype."
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Re:Great startegy (Score:5, Informative)
A lot of the hype isn't hype; due partially to how horribly bad Windows Vista is and partially due to the 'free RC' MS has provided, a lot of people (both geeks and non-geeks) have installed Windows 7.
Back when XP was in pre-release I had a friend who had a copy. This must've been around 2001 or so; I'm not really sure of the specifics. I saw it running on his machine; he liked it, he said. To me, it didn't look all that much different than 2k, and it was noteably slower on his machine. I (and many other geeks) said "pass" until around the first service pack (and when hardware was able to make up for the bloat in the software).
W7 is entirely different. It's been a solid product since the pre-7000 releases (partially due to MS taking a lot of the visual glitches out of startup/the interface, giving a heightened appearance of 'smoothness'). Many have found that, aside from a handful of applications not working, the OS is drastically, drastically better than Vista. On my ancient Thinkpad X30 (1.2GHz P3M, 512M, 20G disk), it performs quite well. Aside from a fairly lengthy boot, it's more responsive and feels less glitchy than XP ever did on the machine. It's also significantly faster/responsive than *gasp* Ubuntu 9.04 or 8.10 on the same hardware. (I should note that I had Linux installed on the laptop exclusively since I got it, starting with Mandrake 10, IIRC.)
I, as well as several other Linux geeks I know, have Windows 7 machines set up as their "gaming machine". I've got a Windows-fanatic friend who's been using W7 exclusively since 7000 or so. Can you imagine that happening with Vista, XP, or 2K? No, those products were, relatively, shit.
So yes, there are a lot of people using W7 with satisfaction, even people who were like you: skeptical of the pre-release bullshit.
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It's New Coke all over again.
Re:Great startegy (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Amazing! (Score:5, Funny)
A marketing department trying to spin things in favor of their own company? I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.
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For the same reason as yours is "Interesting"?
Re:Long time lurker... (Score:4, Interesting)
Hmm looks like maybe I stand corrected... it why is this article in the "Technology" section when it is very obviously a Microsoft article?
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I've been reading Slashdot for 10 or 11 years (I've never seen a reason to register an account).
Ok, you made a liar out of me, I just swore in my journal that I wouldn't respond to ACs, but damn it, I'm biting just this once.
One good reason to register an account is that you can actually know when someone responds to one of your comments without checking your comment every five minutes. You won't see this comment or even know I made it. Why join a discussion if you're not going to listen?
OK, back to ignorin
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The Windows 7 editions don't work like Vista's. In Vista, you had the Home Premium that had stuff like Media Center, the Business that had all of the business-y features, and if you wanted both, you needed Ultimate.
In Windows 7, its not like that... Home Premium is the same as in Vista, Professional has all of the Home Premium features, plus the business/network stuff, and Ultimate has that, plus a couple of features only useful on corporate domains (such as more Group Policites and fancier VPN functionalit