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Amiga Trombone writes "An article in the IEEE Spectrum argues that the rate of technological progress has slowed in the last 50 years. While there have been advances in areas such as computers, communications and medicine, etc., the author points out that these advances have largely been incremental rather than revolutionary. He contrasts the progress made within the life-span of his grandmother (1880-1960) with that in his own (1956-present). Having been born the year after the author, I've noticed this, too. While certainly we've produced some useful refinements, little of the technology available today would have surprised me much had I been able to encounter it in 1969. While some of it has been implemented in surprising ways, the technology itself had largely been anticipated."
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  • Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

    by corsec67 (627446) on Wednesday September 02, @06:55AM (#29283499) Homepage Journal

    Where is my flying car?

    Honestly, in a few ways we might be considered to be going backwards:
    I have seen the end of supersonic passenger aircraft (for the time being, with no resumption in sight).

    The last time man was on the moon was before I was born.

    • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

      by courteaudotbiz (1191083) on Wednesday September 02, @07:01AM (#29283541) Homepage
      Well, this is all linked to economy...
      • Supersonic flight costs a lot more than subsonic
      • Flights to the moon cost a lot of money and you don't make a penny out of it

      This is obvious that progress alone does not drive decisions. Money does.

      As for your flying car, you'll start seeing it when we have drivers who can safely drive on 3 dimensional roads, and for that, you have to be able to do it safely on 2 dimensional roads first, which can be far, far away...

      • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

        by biryokumaru (822262) * <biryokumaru@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 02, @07:11AM (#29283605)
        I would contend that it is much simpler to avoid accidents in three dimensions than two: you have significantly more options should a collision be imminent.
        • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Lord Bitman (95493) on Wednesday September 02, @07:28AM (#29283747) Homepage

          Though there's this whole class of accidents which come about when a 3rd dimension is involved. "Stalled vehicle on highway, traffic backed up for ten miles, delayed for fifty miles, more minor accidents as a result of the start and stop flow" becomes "Stalled vehicle on highway, traffic continues to move smoothly. Hundreds dead as stalled vehicle crashes into St Baby Fluffy Kitten's home for dyslexic cute animals during a field trip from the Orphanage For The Quite Uninteresting But Still Adorable (OFQUBSA)"

            • Re:Or simply (Score:5, Insightful)

              by Lord Bitman (95493) on Wednesday September 02, @11:03AM (#29286745) Homepage

              To negate that argument:
              1) Computer controlled
              2) Ride-sharing

              No need to "own" a vehicle. Pay the price of a cab fare, be driven to where you want to go, "cab" is flown back and maintained by Someone Who Wants To Not Kill His Customers.

          • by CarpetShark (865376) on Wednesday September 02, @07:37AM (#29283823)

            An airplane can use climb or dive quickly, or bank, and that's pretty much it. And none of those operations can really be done on a dime.

            You're flying in the wrong mode. Switch to arcade.

          • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Lumpy (12016) on Wednesday September 02, @08:03AM (#29284149) Homepage

            Wrong.

            Planes can go down for free, everything else costs money.

            Diving, falling and crashing are all free. It's expensive as hell to get it up there in the first place.

      • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

        by necro81 (917438) on Wednesday September 02, @07:21AM (#29283697) Journal

        As for your flying car, you'll start seeing it when we have drivers who can safely drive on 3 dimensional roads, and for that, you have to be able to do it safely on 2 dimensional roads first, which can be far, far away...

        Not to mention a flying car that can fail safe, so that a mechanical mishap or minor accident doesn't prove invariably fatal from, ya know, falling out of the sky.

        • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

          by evanbd (210358) on Wednesday September 02, @08:42AM (#29284637)

          As for your flying car, you'll start seeing it when we have drivers who can safely drive on 3 dimensional roads, and for that, you have to be able to do it safely on 2 dimensional roads first, which can be far, far away...

          Not to mention a flying car that can fail safe, so that a mechanical mishap or minor accident doesn't prove invariably fatal from, ya know, falling out of the sky.

          You mean the way it does with small single-engine airplanes today?

          In small general aviation craft, an engine failure, electrical failure, or mechanical failure is frequently a serious emergency, with potentially fatal consequences. However, unless you're doing something seriously stupid, a competent pilot is very likely to survive a rather large subset of such failures — basically anything excluding "wings fall off". Landing with engine out is expected; it only gets really interesting if there isn't a runway or suitable road within glide range. Handling the airplane with mechanical or electrical malfunctions is something flight instructors routinely test on (you can simulate a rather large range of electrical failures by pulling fuses, for example).

          There are plenty of reasons there aren't flying cars; safety in response to malfunctions is certainly on the list. But that does not even remotely mean that an engine failure has to be a fatal problem.

      • by wstrucke (876891) on Wednesday September 02, @07:45AM (#29283901) Homepage

        Well, this is all linked to economy...

        • Supersonic flight costs a lot more than subsonic
        • Flights to the moon cost a lot of money and you don't make a penny out of it

        This is obvious that progress alone does not drive decisions. Money does.

        So what you're saying is... in reality we are the Ferengi [memory-alpha.org].

      • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Salgak1 (20136) <salgak&speakeasy,net> on Wednesday September 02, @08:15AM (#29284311) Homepage
        I would like to suggest a single root cause: The Plague of Lawyers.

        Think about it: Liability alone has decimated the light-aircraft industry, imagine what it would do to manufacturers of flying cars. And International Law, such as the UN Outer Space Treaty and the Moon Treaty effectively prevents private efforts, as it seriously impedes private enterprise in space.

        I'll at least argue this over the cold beverage of an opponents' choice. . .

        • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Informative)

          by RotateLeftByte (797477) on Wednesday September 02, @07:54AM (#29284031)

          Just for the sake of Accuracy, supersonic commercial flights didn't start until the 1970's.
          And for those who complained about the cost, yeah flying over the pond was very costly but many thousands of people flew Concorde on charter flights and experienced flying at twice the speed of sound for far less money than a transatlantic trip.
          I flew Concorde to JFK had three nights in NYC and sailed on the QE2 back to the UK for £1999.00. A memorable trip to celebrate my 15th wedding anniversary.

    • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

      by itsdapead (734413) on Wednesday September 02, @07:26AM (#29283725)

      I have seen the end of supersonic passenger aircraft (for the time being, with no resumption in sight).

      The last time man was on the moon was before I was born.

      I think what both of those have in common is that, although they were astounding technical achievements, they were both unsustainable "gimmicks" driven by political pissing contests rather than by any actual demand.

      The progress we do have is that we've sent robot probes to most of the solar system (good) and subsonic air travel now costs less than rail travel (maybe not so good). Don't undervalue these.

      Oh, and we have vastly improved inflight entertainment systems to keep us sane on subsonic flights :-)

      • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

        by hkmarks (1080097) on Wednesday September 02, @08:44AM (#29284659)

        That's it exactly -- it's about demand.

        There's very little demand for faster computers and flying cars... I mean, we want them, sure, but the value we put on incremental improvements now is a lot less.

        The focus of R&D has shifted from big, visible, obvious everyday things like car engines, colour TVs, and transistor radios onto finicky, small, non-consumer items like nanotechnology, gene therapy, advanced surgical techniques, robotics, and new materials. I mean, I am blown away by something new practically every day. Haven't there been two different cures for two types of blindness reported in the past few weeks, one using lasers and one using gene therapy? Then there was that nanomaterial that is supposed to make windshield scrapers obsolete. Bring it on!

        It's just that we've done most of the big obvious stuff. Even when we haven't fully deployed it (renewable power, for instance) we've pretty much got the technology down.

        Robots and augmented reality are probably going to be the next big game-changers, but the complexity of technology they require means they are going to be slow to deploy and improve. I mean, many people already have a GPS and a Roomba.

        Either that or we need to brainstorm and come up with something that not a single SF author has anticipated. And you know the odds of that at this point...

    • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

      by orignal (10769) on Wednesday September 02, @07:47AM (#29283931)

      What about stem cell research? Growing back teeth, nerve tissue. Maybe we should look at more than gizmos, cars and electronics. Biotechnologies have advanced by great leaps in the last decade.

      Tech advances do not need to be consumable goods...

      • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Informative)

        by Metasquares (555685) <slashdot@@@metasquared...com> on Wednesday September 02, @08:15AM (#29284307) Homepage
        "Will advance in the next decade" is more accurate. Very few of these groundbreaking biotechnologies we hear about are ready for prime time yet (to use your example, when was the last time your dentist offered to regrow your tooth instead of using an implant?) Many of them still have yet to go through clinical trials. Some will never make it, but even those that do we won't see on the market for years.
    • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anne Thwacks (531696) on Wednesday September 02, @08:00AM (#29284103)
      My Grandfather observed "The changes between 1898 and 1914 were incredible - in 1898 we had no cars, planes, phones etc, (almost all transport was horse-drawn, and the rest was steam powered).

      By 1914, we had sheduled international flights all across Europe and cheap Ford cars, phones, BBC radio, etc".

      He observed that besides the technology content of the changes, there was a significant psychological factor:

      By 1914, 1898 was "the last century" - he went on to predict that by 2014, 1998 would be "the last millenium" and things would seem even more old-fashioned. Of course we cannot know the future, but we also cannot know what is currently being developed behind closed doors. Invention is never at a steady pace - and many inventions may come in a single year after five years of no excitement.

      Despite that, there might be a problem:

      All current computers are just re-implementations of the PDP11 archictecture with minor improvements.

      The iPhone is just a smaller version of the Memex predicted by Vannevar Bush [wikipedia.org]

      Necessity is the mother of all Frank Zappas. Maybe we don't actually need any more stuff! We need the stuff we have to work better! There is enough food, housing and porn to go round! The main thing we really do need is a better system of government.

      • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

        by jedidiah (1196) on Wednesday September 02, @08:10AM (#29284251) Homepage

        If you think progress has slowed down then watch a 50 year old TV show and just
        observe. Note every time you think how the characters could have used some bit
        of technology that we take for granted to their advantage.

        It's as stark as the difference between 1914 and 1898. You've just gotten used to it.

        It's not that progress isn't happening. You're just taking it for granted.

        A tech revolution doesn't seem quite so disruptive anymore.

    • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Lumpy (12016) on Wednesday September 02, @08:02AM (#29284129) Homepage

      you cant have your flying car. It can be built but the idea is tied up for 75 years inside a damned patent.

      you see what has slowed technology? Patents and Copyrights. we went from a sane span to an insane one. It stifles creativity and technology.

      Want to kick start everything? Reset patents and copyright to what it was in 1920. and tell all the congresscritters that in no uncertian terms, anyone trying to extend it again will be killed on the steps as a traitor.

    • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Interesting)

      by jcnnghm (538570) on Wednesday September 02, @08:25AM (#29284429)
      The only way you could honestly believe that progress has slowed since 1956 is if you discount modern semiconductor manufacturing, that global communications network thing that you are all using right now, cell phones, and routine space flight. We have made huge leaps and bounds in just 50 years. These things changed everything. When I was born in the early 80's, none of these things, except for perhaps routine space flight, was readily available. We didn't have a household computer until close to the 90s, and didn't have internet access until after that. I didn't get a cell phone until 2000. Each of these things fundamentally changed life. Everything kind of sucked without this stuff, and I would never want to go back. The internet, and the ICs that power the whole thing, are probably the single greatest, most useful, most prolific technological innovation of all time.
    • Re:Flying Car (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Evil Shabazz (937088) on Wednesday September 02, @09:21AM (#29285093)
      There was an article related to this in the Business Week the other day. Their discussion focused around the devastating effects today's Wall Street has had on long-term corporate research. When a company is publicly traded, every move it makes is to be focused on short-term shareholder value, even so far as the the detriment of long-term viability in many cases. Companies are not nearly as willing or able to invest in long term research. The old giants that helped get us where we are today (Bell Labs, Xerox, IBM's research arm, etc etc) can no longer justify all those open-ended speculative research projects because almost all of Wall Street's money today is focused on short-term gains and not long-term investment. It does not even matter if you are a big research giant who's past record can easily absorb a research failure or two: look what happened to Proctor & Gamble when their Olean research product didn't do so well - their stock tanked from $70 to $15 (they have since managed to recover pretty well).

      Then you add on top of that the fact that Mr. Bush and his administration was anti-science. Public-private partnership was also a huge part of what drove a lot of the advancement we saw through the 70s, 80s, and 90s through the likes of DARPA and others. With that "backstop" money drying up, companies are even less able to justify research projects to their shareholders.

      All that said, at least we are still seeing some progress still occuring. The iPhone initiated a pretty significant advancement in smartphone interface design which we have seen Palm, Blackberry, and others jump on.
  • Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Carewolf (581105) on Wednesday September 02, @06:55AM (#29283501) Homepage

    Yes, it has. I wouldn't emphasize 50years though. Just look at computers the last 10years and computers 20years ago. In 1999 I was on slashdot from a computer not much different from this one. In 1989 I was trying to get a dial-up modem so I could connect to a BBS from my Amiga.

    • Re:Yes (Score:5, Funny)

      by tpgp (48001) on Wednesday September 02, @07:13AM (#29283627) Homepage

      In 1999 I was on slashdot from a computer not much different from this one.

      Yes, but in 1999 did you have twitter? Facebook? Now that's progress.

      Why - just think, by 2029, you might be able to let everyone know the consistency of your latest shit, just by thinking about it!

    • Re:Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by smallfries (601545) on Wednesday September 02, @07:38AM (#29283835) Homepage

      But you've hit the nail on the head. In the fifty year span that the author considers (taking liberties with certain invention dates to improve his point) he ignores communication technologies.

      The phone (fixed-line) gets a mention as part of his grandmother's lifespan, but mobile phones? Didn't happen. The Internet? Didn't happen.

      Those two inventions alone are signs of huge progress. I'm not sure how they could be labelled as "incremental evolutions" of the phone and the computer. One meant that people stayed in contact with each other regardless of location, and the other meant that we automate communication tasks. Both complete revolutions that have changed our lifes completely.

      (yes, in the space of 50 years. If you look at 20 then for early adopters of these techs it would look more like a flat plateau).

      The irony is that his claims will have been read casually by millions using these technologies, where-as 50 years ago they would have been printed and distributed to a few locations.

    • Re:Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Znork (31774) on Wednesday September 02, @08:10AM (#29284243)

      I'm not so sure; the feeling could simply be due to the sample interval of information becoming much, much shorter.

      Innovation has never really been 'revolutionary', it just may have seemed so due to the slow propagation of information in earlier centuries, pretty much the same error in thinking that's behind the idea of patents. Innovations seem 'revolutionary' for those who had little insight in the fields, but were and are natural incremental advances on other incremental advances (for example, look at the number of 'lightbulbs' suddenly appearing during the two decades before and around it got 'invented').

      As incremental steps are taken, eventually enough advances come together to create an economically useful and viable product. The step where advances turn possible, but unprofitable, technology into profitable technology is also one of the factors making things seem 'revolutionary'. Many of the things like flying 'cars' are possible but utterly uneconomical.

      Tubes, transistors, cars, none of them could have come into existence as a 'revolutionary' invention much earlier; the prerequisites weren't there. Nor would they have come into existence much later; once the prerequisites were there technologically and economically, and the need existed, the opportunity was there.

      The article also mentions 'cancer' as something which still hasn't got a cure; an obvious information problem. Both because 'cancer' isn't one disease, and also because there are various kinds that can be pretty much 'cured' or even prevented depending on their cause (for example, cancer caused by HPV, which can be vaccinated against). The fact that various vectors can screw with DNA isn't something that's going to have a revolutionary 'cure', but many incremental steps will reduce the mortality of many of them over time.

      Still, DNA damage related mortality, whether in the form of cancers, or in the form of wear on the cell replacement and repair ability (which will result in eventual deadly events like strokes), which are basically two sides of the same coin, will still remain a large factor in causes of death. Especially since when you cure most other things, those are simply the ones that are going to put the nail in your coffin no matter what. Until incremental advances in various technologies come together to allow us to either replace specific cells in a perfectly targeted fashion or we can replace complete bodies.

      • Re:Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

        by 4D6963 (933028) on Wednesday September 02, @08:17AM (#29284325)

        That would be incremental progress.

        No, that's bullshit. That's willingly overlooking the original invention of the Internet and of personal computers. That's also overlooking the revolutionary consequences of the popularisation and eventual ubiquity of these. Over the last 15 years, personal computers and the Internet have profoundly changed the way we live and the way we do many things.

        I for one am a great example of that. I don't have a TV, I don't make or receive telephone calls, I don't go to the movies, I don't own a video game console, I don't buy music, I don't read newspapers and I don't buy pornos because the Internet superseded all of that. Not only that, but I owe my practically flawless English (I'm French) to chatting with Americans on AIM ever since I was 15, I also learnt my job mostly on the Internet (I'm a mostly self-taught DSP dev), and to top it all off I'm a self-employed software dev who makes all of his income from software sales from all around the world. That didn't affect just "us", my uncle after being divorced fell in love with a woman in South America (not Mark Sanford) he "met" on MSN, and now he lives with her there. The Internet made him move to Colombia and marry a woman he never met before, out of the blue.

        If you still fail to see how personal computers/the Internet have revolutionised things you're just blind. I'm not arguing that things are going faster or slower, I personally don't think that it means anything to talk about progress rate, and I even less believe that there is any sort of general trend, just sectors that get "bursts of progress" before stabilising. I find it silly to try to bring "progress of anything" into a unidimensional variable (but if anyone disagrees please give me a reading of your progress-speedometer. Oh also, what progress wasn't "incremental"? There were steam automobiles in the late 18th century that could reach a few miles per hour. Airplanes are just gliders with a propeller, and manned gliders have flown since 875 A.D.. Telephones are just fancy eletrical telegraphs, television has evolved from so many different things (photography, radio, Nipkow disks, pantelegraphs...), and the Internet itself is just a fancy evolution of transoceanic electrical telegraphy (if you think about it, the worldwide telegraph network of the later part of the 19th century is very Internet-like). I don't see what can possibly be "non-incremental", nothing suddenly just "popped up" to cause a revolution. Many of those were centuries in the making.

  • Lately (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Nerdfest (867930) on Wednesday September 02, @06:58AM (#29283521)
    We seem to be specializing in making things cheaper, not better ... perhaps it's economy or globalization related. I just don't think think we're spending the research money that's needed to continue the pace of previous decades. We are getting quite good at combining the work of others ... and even better at patenting it.
  • Not much more to say really, things are slowing down, improvements to products are minimal.
    Actual, genuine newfangled technology what is there? Everything is an iteration upon an iteration.

    We still use the microwave, we still use the freezer, the cooktop, the oven, we mostly use the combustion engine, we still mostly use steam for power plants, computers have gotten faster and we have LCD's now but nothing huge has hapenned, we don't have anti-gravity, we don't have teleportation, we can't change one thing in to another (easily), medically we still aren't growing replacement bodies.

    Yes things have gotten better but I haven't seen a huge revoloutionary change to be honest in my lifetime, maybe the mobile phone I guess.

    • by plover (150551) * on Wednesday September 02, @07:56AM (#29284061) Homepage Journal

      Yes things have gotten better but I haven't seen a huge revoloutionary change to be honest in my lifetime, maybe the mobile phone I guess.

      I'm assuming you're fairly young. You didn't experience how disconnected the world was 40, 30, or even 20 years ago. 20 years ago, it was possible to dial a phone and talk to someone on the other side of the planet. Expensive, so it was not common, but not surprising. 30 years ago, it was a Big Deal to talk to someone on the other side of an ocean. 40 years ago it was a tear-filled occasion to get a phone call from overseas: "Anna, go wake the kids, it's our little Jimmy calling from Over There!" Having grown up with that kind of a reaction to a phone call, for me to now yawn while calling my developers in Bangalore for a status meeting while I ride the train to work, yeah, I can see that as a huge change.

      What annoys me more about the timeline is that marking "world wide web" as a single point is like marking the discovery of electricity once and then ignoring every electrical invention since because it's already covered. The internet created a new landscape upon which data lives; it changed how people live, work, and play, and it's being filled with even more magical wonders at a staggering pace. Just because they're riding piggy-back on the single "invention" of the web doesn't mean they're not new.

  • by eldavojohn (898314) * <my/.username@@@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 02, @07:08AM (#29283587) Homepage Journal
    What if the author had found data on inventions that failed? Would the author see a huge amount in the lifetime of his grandmother (if those records exist) and very few during his own lifetime (per capita in both time periods)?

    Sometimes it feels like for every one hobby project I take on there are nine more that die at some point in development. Perhaps today we bet on sure things -- like incremental developments on things already existing -- instead of investing our time in risky ventures? Possibly because development and production of an idea is a costly venture with many people needed along the way. It gets harder to be a one stop shop as we're trained to be specialized and therefore our failures become more costly. Our economic system has evolved to reward only those that succeed and really really punish those that don't.

    Probably not an adequate explanation but may explain part of it.
  • thought experiment (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02, @07:11AM (#29283609)

    I often do a thought experiment and compare multiple fields in roughly similar intervals:
    American Revolution, American Revolution #2 (aka Civil War), WWI, Vietnam War, Present

    In each field I list, we have made vast strides, for example in Communications:
        American Revolution: letter, signal lanterns, flags (much like the Romans)
        Civil War: electronic telegraph
        WWI: radio, telephone
        Vietnam War: TV, satellite, limited computer communications
        Present: cell phones, sat phones, GPS, Internet, etc.

    To someone living in the present, the pace seems to be slower as you don't realize the life/world changing events until a few years down the road, yet much is happening.

  • Ray Kurzweil (Score:5, Informative)

    by gr8dude (832945) on Wednesday September 02, @07:11AM (#29283611) Homepage

    would disagree with the article.
    http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1 [kurzweilai.net]

  • Lets try a list (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AHuxley (892839) on Wednesday September 02, @07:14AM (#29283639)
    Germans where spooked in 43-45, tried a lot.
    Soviets and Americans (Brits and French too) took what they could in tech and people, building on what they could.
    Soviets raced the USA in anything and everything, this saw a big push for real science education (GI bill helped ect).
    End of the cold war, no need for an educated public, a gov/private push to get science back as an arts subject and the population spending, dumb and greedy again.
    If you cant understand it, it cannot harm you, rust belt production lines can stay open, profits are safe.
    So now we have gone from a Unix like brain to a MS like gui slop.
    No need for deep understanding, just spend, point and click.
    The problem is science spending is just not an easy sell to the east or west coast or middle America.
    The east and west coasts want to keep the existing power/profit structures, the middle America just wants "science" in the dust bin and back to safe, faith based engineering subjects.
  • by HuguesT (84078) on Wednesday September 02, @07:15AM (#29283645)

    I'd mostly agree with the recent lack of "big invention" like the aeroplane or the car, however the author underplays the role of the computer and associated communication technologies. Now whether we like it or not we are moving towards a single, small world where everybody can communicate with everyone else and can access most of the world's public knowledge cheaply and effectively. This is increasingly replacing travel and having profound effects at every level of the society. Furthermore, whereas the car and the aeroplane were used for war, the computer so far has mostly been used for peace. As a result we have avoided a third WW so far that would have destroyed us utterly. Of course this is not strictly true but by and large not altogether incorrect.

    At the same time we are becoming aware that the world is small, exeedingly finite and that resources are scarce on the one hand, and that expanding our universe to other planets is extremely difficult on the other. We are at an important point in history. Either we rise to the challenge of providing cheap energy, food, shelter, clothes, learning and health for everybody, or in a few short decades we will be all dead. We do not have another couple of millennia ahead of us.

    The good thing is that we have now more thinkers, scientists, engineers and industrialists than at any point in history, by several orders of magnitude. However, we are all driven by greed. The odds are almost even, but maybe I'm an optimist.

  • by owlnation (858981) on Wednesday September 02, @07:17AM (#29283661)
    War is probably the greatest catalyst for change and technological advancement. The period from 1880 to 1960 was one of the most turbulent in World history. Both the Great War and WWII spurred a lot of tech, not just killing machines, but also in medicine and materials sciences amongst many other things.

    I guess it is a good thing that we have lived in relatively-speaking peaceful times in comparison. However, hopefully there is a way of humanity getting its act together to precipitate change without the need for life and death conflict. The cynic in me however, suggests that maybe war is a necessary mechanism for social change. Kind of like forest fires, plagues, etc, in the ecosystem.
  • green stuff (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hey (83763) on Wednesday September 02, @07:19AM (#29283665) Journal

    Finally running out of (cheap) oil might cause some innovations.

  • by Cuprous (74856) on Wednesday September 02, @07:24AM (#29283711)

    If you look at the technical advances of the first half of the 20th century, there is a common thread. Many (most?) were the direct result of basic science research (antibiotics, pasteurization, lasers, radio, even flight). Furthermore, many benefited from our dramatic increase in knowledge of the physical world. You can look at the list of Nobel prize recipients in physics, etc and thank them for research which directly improved your life.

    If you want more advances, call your congressman and tell them that you want increased funding to the NSF, NIH, NIST, DOE, and NASA for basic research. Then sit back ten or twenty years.

  • by ShooterNeo (555040) on Wednesday September 02, @07:28AM (#29283741)

    A better yardstick for technological progress is not the utility of technology, but the internal complexity of the technology. A Mercedes today may still be an internal combustion engine automobile - but far more engineering has gone into the design of the auto than into a mercedes of 1959. There's far more sophisticated embedded systems inside it, from electronic keys to a sophisticated crash mitigation system. Aerodynamics and reliability and numerous other factors have had countless iterations of engineering put into them.

    Yet, of course, the actual improvement in your life if you owned either car is small. You're more likely to survive a crash in the newer automobile - but crashes don't happen every day, and people drive more dangerously today, so the death rate is comparable. Either car can go 70 mph on the interstate.

    All the rest of technology today is similar. A lot of things don't seem to have improved much - but the complexity of the internals have increased. Doctors and hospitals today have a much longer list of things they worry about when they treat for a disease - although outcomes are only slightly better.

    He is right about one thing. For the nanotechnology and flying cars and other wonders of the "singularity", the internal complexity of that technology will dwarf anything we have today. Human beings, even working as large teams, don't really have the brain power to create technology this complicated within a reasonable investment timespan. That's why the first stage of the singularity is information technology : we first have to augment our ability to handle complexity (whether through AI or cyborgs or whatnot). The flying cars and the immortality granting nanotechnology come later.

  • by MoobY (207480) <anthony@@@liekens...net> on Wednesday September 02, @07:31AM (#29283775) Homepage

    Answering this question from the viewpoint of IT, CS or electronics in general, yes, I have the same feeling.

    However, if you look at other sciences, like biology, there's an amazing evolution of technologies, methodologies and revolutionizing new insights that are going to change the world around is, possibly in more disruptive ways than computers have. If the 20th century is the century of computers, we're still strongly believing that the 21st century will see (and is seeing) a lot of revolutions in biology.

    So if you feel, like me, that CS is dead and still want to go on a technological quest, try something else.

  • NO. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 192939495969798999 (58312) <info AT devinmoore DOT com> on Wednesday September 02, @07:38AM (#29283833) Homepage Journal

    Not only has the rate not slowed, but the rate has never been higher. I can present two different arguments to how wrong it is to assert that the rate is slowing, etc.

    1. 10 years ago, we all would have been thoroughly shocked to walk into a store and get a 1TB drive for our PC's for under $100. To say that in 1969 there wouldn't have been widespread shock at the current state of the Internet, PC's, automotive technology, etc. in general is nothing short of utter rubbish. Let's take another example: cars. Do you think that drag cars in 1969 could do a quarter mile in under 4 seconds? That would have crushed the low 7 second times at the time, and it would have blown everyone's mind that you could even get to a speed like 330 mph in just a few seconds without a rocket engine.

    2. This is just a more specific form of an argument that has been made every few decades since the beginning of written history, the argument that "we have done everything". This argument was made by famous physicists in the early 1900's, before Einstein and quantum physics. This argument was made about locomotive trains, or any vechiles for that matter, ever reaching over 50 mph without sucking people's lungs out from the high rate of speed. This argument was made about achieving mach 1 in an airplane. This argument is made about the progress of fine art.

    Here's why the argument fails. Human history as written is fixed. The future of humanity is not fixed and has not been written yet, and extends infinitely far into the future compared to any of our lifetimes (end of the world theories aside). Thus, the sum total of human knowledge approaches zero compared with the sum total of what may exist into the future, depending on how far out you want to look. Not only have we not invented everything, we kinda "haven't invented anything yet" compared to what the future will bring.

  • by Vandil X (636030) on Wednesday September 02, @07:41AM (#29283867)
    ... and all the "safety first" crap that's been going on in recent time. (e.g. the NASA of today would have never made the 1969 deadline for Apollo, it would have failed with the Apollo 1 fire and subsequent 3-4 year safety meeting and canceling launches because of lightning 100 mile away.)
  • Two reasons (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Eudial (590661) on Wednesday September 02, @07:41AM (#29283869)

    There's a couple of reasons why technology has sort of fizzled out, as I see it.

    First of all, DIY is dead or dying. Electronic components are harder to get hold of, and information about electronics is harder to get hold of (Internet is all good, but it really doesn't compare to the old electronics magazines). Heck, even the toys that 20th century kids engineering, like Lego and Meccano, have been either mutilated beyond recognition, or canceled.

    Secondly, patents. For every technological invention, there's a fair chance that someone has patented something in a way that they at least think they own they invention. Not only is it a turnoff to have to jump legal hurdles all the time, it's also really expensive and most people just don't have the resources.

  • AT&T "You Will" (Score:5, Interesting)

    by michaelmalak (91262) <malak@acm.org> on Wednesday September 02, @08:03AM (#29284151) Homepage
    Check out the AT&T future-predicting "You Will" television ads [youtube.com] from 1993/1994. They not only fail to predict the Internet at that late date ("buy theater tickets from an ATM"), more critically, they completely fail to predict the game-changing effect of the cell phone. The cell phone is even more of a liberator of women than the (non-big-wheel) bicycle was in 1890. The YouTube video What If Movies Had Cell Phones [youtube.com] demonstrates how the lack of a cell phone was a critical plot device in the pre-cell-phone days, and by implication how the cell phone has restructured society.

    Also, a lot of technological advances, as always, are war- and government-centered and shrouded in secrecy. Although predicted in 1948, more than the stipulated 50 years ago, Big Brother has become a reality in the NSA office of the San Francisco AT&T building. GPS, Tomahawks, and Predators make destruction of arbitrarily-specified buildings and infrastructure available at the touch of a button. The cat ia out of the bag now regarding the Google sub-campus [google.com] of the NASA Ames campus, which is known for its Artificial Intelligence research -- they have now named it the Singularity University [bizjournals.com] -- who knows how much progress they've made thus far and whether intermediate results are helping in the Big Brother effort. It's not common knowledge yet, but the five-century tradition of subjugating the world through a surface navy has ended. Surface ships, including and especially aircraft carriers, are obsolete, being vulnerable to hypersonic surface-skimming missiles. The stipulated 50 years ago, battleships were still a hot thing.

    This IEEE Spectrum piece is so bad that it not only doesn't recognize these recent and often secret game-changing innovations, it failed to mention the past innovation with the greatest societal impact: the S-Bend toilet drainpipe, which allowed indoor toilets without constantly emanating odors.

  • by goodmanj (234846) on Wednesday September 02, @08:13AM (#29284273)

    The dates listed in the article, 1880-1960, are telling. They correspond to what I call the Age of Electricity. At the start of this period, electric and magnetic forces became well-understood from a physics perspective; by the end of it, we had mastered electrical engineering.

    It's not every day that humanity figures out how to use a new fundamental force: after all, there are only four of them. Electricity allows totally new paradigms for energy transmission and communications. It took 80 years to work through the consequences, but I think that even millennia from now it'll stand apart as a singular moment in human history, even more of a big deal than the mastery of fire.

    the technology itself had largely been anticipated

    True, but it's worth pointing out that one of the great inventions of 1880-1960 was science fiction.(*) There were a lot more people getting paid to anticipate the future in 1969 than in 1880.

    (*) Blah blah Mary Shelley Jules Verne yeah yeah whatever.

  • by spikesahead (111032) on Wednesday September 02, @08:29AM (#29284477)

    Perhaps things have slowed down for us here in the developed, western world, but I have heard of an amazing shift in the third world; cell phones.

    For example, in Kenya there are 37 million people. Of those, only 1.3 have electricity. No lights, no fans, no TV, no electricity at all. However, 17 million people use cell phones and the number is screaming upwards every day! Imagine what a fundamental change it is to be able to talk with anyone at a distance in a developing nation? So much of what we take for granted in the western world boils down to the ability to pick up a phone and ask for what you want, be it goods or information.

    The article I lifted these figures from was discussing a solar powered cell phone, which will cut the final cord from the main grid. Now people who cannot walk to a grid connected location can still call for help, call to find a job, call to talk with a distant loved one.

    In the book Guns, Germs, and Steel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel [wikipedia.org] it was postulated that the rise of the main Eurasian regions in history was mainly due to the free travel of ideas across a broad band of land where climatological and geological conditions were mostly similar, thus allowing different ideas about agriculture, living, and warfare to flow back and forth easily. This mixing of ideas is what made the Eurasian continent most often dominant over the Americas and the African continents, which are spread out longitudinally and thus cover a wider spread of terrain conditions and weather conditions.

    The advent of the mobile phone will become an equalizing factor, ideas will be able to spread faster and faster among the populations of the South American and African regions and the quality of life there will begin to experience the same kind of rapid upward swell which we in the western world assume is our birthright.

    (facts and figures lifted from this article; http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/21/solar.cellphone/index.html [cnn.com] )

    • by paiute (550198) on Wednesday September 02, @07:38AM (#29283841)

      It turns out that the Galactic Brotherhood is here to get compensation for our theft of their IP. Seems that SETI@home wasn't recording noise but the encoded libraries of several thousand civilizations, and we at home were processing a lot of copyrighted material. With damages and interest, we owe them everything from the center of the Sun out to about Saturn. And we get disconnected from the electromagnetic spectrum.

        • by jcnnghm (538570) on Wednesday September 02, @09:25AM (#29285159)
          Just for you, I'll address the grandparents idiocy point by point.

          1. Technology of the 1970's can provide enough food and shelter for the entire world. However, we cannot employ the entire world in the production of food and shelter, because at some point we have all the food and shelter we need and thus people become unemployable again.

          So there is no demand for anything but food and shelter? All human beings presently produce nothing but food and shelter? I want a lot more stuff besides food and shelter, and I'm willing to work to pay for it. I don't want to live in a welfare state, I've seen the average welfare recipient.

          The obvious solution of "making basic stuff for no cost to consumers" would drastically undermine the economic pyramid, so that cannot be pursued.

          Who is going to make the basic stuff for no cost to consumers for free. Even if you build robots that can do all the work, someone still has to design, build, and maintain them. Why should those people have to work when nobody else does?

          Therefore, the only way to maintain the existing economic pyramid is to slow down the pace of technology until such time as other social controls (e.g. consumer debt) can become more effective.

          And who exactly made the decision to slow down the pace? How did they communicate this decision, in a binding way to everyone else? How do they prevent people not directly under their control from innovating themselves? Why did they open of vast information sources like the Internet, and make them searchable, if they are trying to impede progress?

          Call this is the Conspiracy Theory version of why we don't develop technology advanced enough such that we no longer need to work for The Man.

          Bullshit is a synonym for conspiracy in this case.

          2. Globalization's "race to the bottom" has produced a business culture that values short-term profits over long-term progress, such that it makes more economic sense to squeeze a little more money out of what we have than take the risk of shooting for something much better.

          Business never valued progress. It isn't a business goal. Businesses promote progress, but don't value it. It's always been about the profit. That's not to say that progress doesn't pay, there wouldn't be so many private venture capital firms if progress didn't pay, and they wouldn't be making investments in risky things like green tech.

          Thus it is more profitable to make things last just until the manufacturer's warranty runs out than as long as possible, partly due to existing infrastructure but also largely due to consumer preferences for newer-is-better (who still wants power tools from the 1950's even if they continue to work well?).

          Newer generally is better. The flip side of that is, sometimes things don't need to last forever. I was talking to an engineer that was involved in the construction of a highway once, and asked why only a portion of it was concrete, since concrete lasts much longer. He explained that before they construct highways, they study the area to see what the future growth will be like. The area that is concrete has a well understood growth chart, and was actually wider than strictly necessary so two additional lanes in each direction could be opened by repainting the lines. It made sense in that area to build a highway that would last fifty years. In the other areas, a smaller highway would do for the time being, and area expansion was unsure. Because of this, it was paved with asphalt. If the road were built to last 50 years, but it had to be expanded or rebuilt in 10 or 20, then it was originally far overbuilt, and the money would be wasted. With consumer electronics in particular, it doesn't make sense to make things last longer than there practical lifespan. Look at MP3 players from 10 years ago, then look at players today. It doesn't make sen

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