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Vista Share Drops for the First Time In Two Years 332

Posted by kdawson
from the disturbance-in-the-force dept.
adeelarshad82 writes "Windows Vista lost market share last month for the first time in almost two years, a sign that users are already abandoning the oft-ridiculed operating system in favor of the new Windows 7. According to Web metrics firm Net Applications, Vista dropped 0.2 percentage points during September to end the month at an 18.6% slice of the operating system pie. Windows 7, meanwhile, gained 0.3 percentage points, its biggest one-month gain since Microsoft began handing out the new OS to the public in January 2009. Windows 7 powered an estimated 1.5% of all computers that connected to the Internet last month, also a record."
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Vista Share Drops for the First Time In Two Years

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  • This shows something, that Windows 7 is good enough that people are running the trial of it en masse. The date that will confirm this trend is when W7 gets released to the street for both upgrades and bundled with new PCs, on October 22.

    • by Zumbs (1241138)
      Actually, the release version of Windows 7 has been available on MSDN since early August and MSDNAA since mid August, so it would seem many subscribers have been running to get Windows 7.
  • just wait... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by King-of-darkness (206887) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:19AM (#29634047) Homepage Journal

    you just wait for june next year when all the RC versions expire...

  • by Capsy (1644737) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:36AM (#29634121) Journal

    Now, while I've always maintained that Microsoft is an evil bloodsucking corporation, gaming would not be what it is today without Windows 98. Being that I run Vista, and it is forever crashing me out of classic games such as Warcraft III and Sacred Gold, not too mention the core compatibility issues for certain games and their online features, I've often times looked to switching to a Linux OS. But, the problem there is Linux, quite simply, is not up to snuff on gaming as of yet. Sure, Wine made it much easier to play games on Linux, but the fact is, most people simply won't swap because of the simple fact you have to find the correct drivers for the OS your on for your hardware, you have to install and configure Wine, and even learn to use commands. Since most people at this point in time are so established in Windows, the number of Windows gamers vs the number of Linux gamers is obviously in Microsoft's favor. This is why they aren't overly concerned with Vista's shitty performance, and this is also why they haven't been breaking their balls trying to fix it. Yes, I know, 7 is their "fix", but you have to realize, Microsoft doesn't particularly care about us anymore.

    • by je ne sais quoi (987177) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @08:31AM (#29634365)
      What you're saying about wine not being up to snuff is true for most recent games, or ones that rely on fps. Older games like Warcraft III however, often run just great. I run linux as my primary OS and Warcraft III is one of those that runs very well using wine, I even run things like Myth II and other older stuff. I even get a little icon added to my application list when I install them. If I were you, I'd try install Ubuntu on a spare hard drive and see if you are happy with it.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Colonel Korn (1258968)

      This is why they aren't overly concerned with Vista's shitty performance, and this is also why they haven't been breaking their balls trying to fix it.

      I think they might not be overly concerned with Vista's shitty performance re: games because when there are other OS options to run the same game on the same hardware (take WoW on Vista, Wine, and OSX for example), Vista runs it the fastest.

    • Ida: get Sun Virtualbox, run your games on an abondonware OS like Windows 98 (Second Edition..) you mentioned.

  • Windows 7 (Score:5, Informative)

    by BigBadBus (653823) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:37AM (#29634129) Homepage
    From my own stats [paullee.com], I'd have to agree with Win7's market share; I get about 1-1.5% too.
  • by tick-tock-atona (1145909) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:38AM (#29634131)
    What will be most interesting is whether people will be willing to make the jump from XP to Win7. XP has held pretty steady since November last year at ~70% market share [hitslink.com]. Vista never even got to 20% [hitslink.com].
    • by gaspyy (514539)

      I installed Windows 7 RC on a three year old laptop (2Gb, single-core AMD Turion, ATI Xpress200 card -- overall a pretty slow system). The boot takes longer than XP, but after that is just as fast as XP SP3, even with all the fancy stuff turned on. My father, who doesn't care about eye-candy, only stability and responsiveness, says he likes it.

      I don't think every XP owner will shell out $200 for the upgrade, but I'd say it's worth it, if only for the added security.

    • We'll have to, as new desktops and laptops are released with oddball chipsets for which the vendors only provide Windows 7 drivers. This has been one of the key forces behind corporate upgrades for years: the new hardware with new features is impossible or painful indeed to run on older operating systems.

  • by Umangme (1337019) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:41AM (#29634141)

    Considering that Vista's share is less than 1/3 of XP's share (72% vs 19%), Microsoft will be more worried about getting people to move from XP to Win7. The 19% who have Vista really won't (can't, to be more precise) stay with Vista for too long. They will definitely "upgrade" (let's hope it's really an upgrade, not a regression).

    Microsoft surely doesn't want XP's ghost to haunt them like IE6's ghost has.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by BumpyCarrot (775949)
      I work in consumer electronics retail, and I'm still getting calls asking about downgrading to XP, or buying XP, or buying a machine with XP on it, even from users who actually know about W7.

      Damn, I remember the days when XP was the abomination. I guess if you beat people up enough, they learn when to say "uncle".
      • by Belial6 (794905) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @11:03AM (#29635575)

        I remember the days when XP was the abomination.

        I keep hearing that lately, but I saw it happen. When XP came out, everyone was still stinging from ME. They had been happy with 95 because, like it or not, for the day, it was a pretty decent OS. ME came out and was a horrible. Then XP came out. It added the shiny of ME plus some, and the stability of 2000. The only people that I ever heard complaining about XP were the people who were already running 2000, had no interest in playing games, and were offended by the rounded edges of XP's interface. That was a pretty small group. Beyond that, all I ever heard were people who like the massive improvement in stability.

        As far as I can tell, this XP hate is just revisionist history.

    • by ACS Solver (1068112) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @08:40AM (#29634419)
      XP users will have to abandon XP for hardware support if no other reason. MS can just stop releasing updates that prolong XP's life by adding support for new hardware. Gamers will have to upgrade because of DX10. We all know game tech advances rapidly, it won't be that long until games that require DX10. And despite some expectations to the contrary, nobody hacked together DX10 for XP. Then there's hardware like USB 3.0, no XP support for that has been promised and MS can decide not to implement any to accelerate XP's demise. Then there's the whole issue of RAM. The memory limit of 32-bit XP started to matter practically some time ago, and honestly switching to 64-bit XP wouldn't make much sense, it has serious driver and compatibility issues. XP really is old and if people weren't "persuaded" to abandon it purely for software reasons, they'll have to do so for hardware reasons.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The 19% who have Vista really won't (can't, to be more precise) stay with Vista for too long.

      Why the hell not? I have Vista, and I'm certainly staying with it. Windows 7 forces me to use the retarded new start menu and the retarded new task bar. Given that there's absolutely nothing wrong with Vista, and the only changes in Windows 7 are removals of functionality, I don't intend to upgrade at all.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by darien (180561)

        Windows 7 forces me to use the retarded new start menu and the retarded new task bar

        No it doesn't: if you right-click on the Windows 7 start button / taskbar, you can select "properties" and revert to Vista-style behaviour.

        There's a surprising number of Anonymous Cowards spreading falsehoods about Windows 7 in this thread...

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by BikeHelmet (1437881)

          He's referring to Classic behaviour being removed. Rather than Win2k-XP-Vista behaviour, you're locked to Vista-Win7 behaviour.

  • by dan_barrett (259964) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:50AM (#29634173)

    Having just gone through the corporate PC purchasing vendor circus once again, I find it interesting that you can currently purchase a PC with an OEM Vista licence, which Dell/Lenovo etc will happily factory-downgrade to XP for you. As an added bonus you can also upgrade to Windows 7, for free. Yay! 3 licences for the price of 1, sort of.
    I assume this is still counted as a "Vista" licence in the statistics as that's waht it was sold as.

    I predict a big jump in Windows 7 licences as all the corporate PC OEM and volume licencing moves to the "Windows 7" licence with downgrade rights, as that's the only way you'll be able to get XP. I'm guessing at least 80% of those will still be downgraded to XP for at least the next year. Makes the stats for Windows 7 look good, though.

    Btw, I like Windows 7, I use it at home. All our work PC's are XP as our "enterprise-ready" software won't run on Vista. One vendor recently installed their latest document management system onto our Windows 2008 server, only to discover the indexing service had been replaced by "microsoft search". They hadn't tested it on anything beyond Windows 2003/XP as "that's what everyone else runs". Yay for corporate software!

    • One vendor recently installed their latest document management system onto our Windows 2008 server, only to discover the indexing service had been replaced by "microsoft search". They hadn't tested it on anything beyond Windows 2003/XP as "that's what everyone else runs". Yay for corporate software!

      That's nothing, one of the clinical systems in use within the NHS at the moment (iSOFT's Premiere) only supports running on Windows 2000 (Which is now out of Microsoft extended support) on the server end; apparently the new version out later this year will add support for Server 2003 (Yes, 2003). They're actually still providing HP G4 servers to GP surgeries because they can't get supported Windows 2000 drivers for current hardware.

      • I sympathize with you. And to avoid that hardware compatibility trap, you might consider simply using virtualization: a several year old hardware platform, such as the HP G4, should be reasonably equivalent to a virtual environment on newer hardware. And you can use the newer hardware's base OS or another client OS to provide read-only access to the client OS fileystem to run anti-virus scans, and provide a more clever network security toolkit with the virtualization server or another system as a proxy and

    • by b4dc0d3r (1268512)

      Net Applications measures OS usage by tracking the machines that surf to the 40,000 sites it monitors for clients, which results in a data pool of about 160 million unique visitors per month

      It really doesn't matter how many are downgrades for the purposes of this article. This is actual use, not purchases.

      I too would be interested in the number of downgrades, but Microsoft is the only person who could tell us (different OEMs have different target markets, so just one OEM wouldn't be a trustable number), an

  • Amazing (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RAMMS+EIN (578166) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:52AM (#29634185) Homepage Journal

    In other words, Windows Vista market share is falling before it ever hit 20%, and Linux has more market share than the latest version of Windows. ;-)

    • In other words, Windows Vista market share is falling before it ever hit 20%, and Linux has more market share than the latest version of Windows. ;-)

      Linux broke into the single digit in the Net Applications stats in March. But has not been able to hold the ground.

  • by Kjella (173770) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:55AM (#29634191) Homepage

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1 [hitslink.com]

    IE: -1,26%
    FF: +0.77%
    Safari: +0.17%
    Chrome: +0.33%
    Opera: +0.15%

    Everybody's taking a piece of Microsoft. The version graph is pretty interesting too:

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=3 [hitslink.com]

    While IE is switching from versions 6/7/8 at a glacial pace, Firefox users are upgrading rapidly. Since May with 20.03% vs 0.44% for FF 3.0 vs FF 3.5, it's now 9.62% vs 12.65%. That means you can much more rapidly rely on Firefox being a recent version and not dealing with supporting ancient versions.

    Why do I care about that? Because browser stats drives most the ways I have to interact with the world. Linux has 1% or whatever, but what matters is how well it works together wtih the other 99%. Therefore, death to IE :)

    • by Spad (470073)

      I suspect the IE upgrade pace is controlled almost exclusively by companies refusing to upgrade from IE6 because of shoddily written apps.

  • These are percentages. If Win7 is growing quickly it could be coming at the expense of XP. Vista might still be growing, but dropping as an overall percentage.

  • Vista Beta (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Danzigism (881294) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @07:59AM (#29634211)
    Yes. Good job Microsoft. You have successfully beta tested a version of Windows and actually made money from it too by selling it to your customers. You got all the negative feedback that you need to improve it, so now you get to charge all them poor saps all over again with Windows 7! I despise this company, but I gotta admit. They are business geniuses.
    • by Dreadneck (982170) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @05:49PM (#29638811)

      I really have no clue what you're on about. I tested the beta and RC for free and because I did so I was able to purchase the upgrade for my two windows vista machines for around $50 per licensed copy.

      Not only did Microsoft NOT sell the beta (it was a free download, though they may have charged to ship it on DVD(?)), but they also gave the public who tested it a huge discount on the upgrade.

      Get your facts straight.

  • by thetoadwarrior (1268702) on Sunday October 04, 2009 @08:40AM (#29634417) Homepage
    I'm sure MS will spin this in a positive way but let's face it. This just goes to show how shit Vista was.
  • Did it lose users in an absolute sense, or relative to the number of computer users? If the latter, then the absolute number could have stayed the same or even increased, if the total number of users also increased. That is, (x-1)/y x/y but also x/(y+1) x/y.
  • Does it matter ? I don't have a corporate world, so when my XP machine died, I went shopping. I found only the pre SP1 Vista machines on the shelf. This site and others were screaming about it. Wanting more stability than I had (with three users none of whom were savvy) I went to OSX.

    Three years later, I retire another XP machine. Living with OSX, I go straight back to the apple store and buy a mini. OSX has crashed, I think, once, in three years...and World of Warcraft patches were involved.

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