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Car Glass Rules Could Impair Cell, GPS and Radio Signals In CA 762

An anonymous reader writes "The California Air Resources Board (CARB) just passed a new regulation that requires glazed glass in automobiles that is supposed to reduce the need to use air conditioning. The catch is that the same properties that block electromagnetic sunlight radiation also block lower frequency electromagnetic radio waves. That means radios, satellite radios, GPS, garage door openers, and cell phones will be severely degraded. Even more surprising is that it requires this glass even for jeeps that have soft covers, plastic windows, and no air conditioning.'"
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Car Glass Rules Could Impair Cell, GPS and Radio Signals In CA

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  • by Spectre ( 1685 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @02:51PM (#29797799)

    I know when they passed legislation requiring motorcycle helmets to be worn, they didn't specify "where", so people were strapping one to their knee or hanging it from an elbow.

    Perhaps you can do the same thing, and sell glazed drinking glasses, stick one in your cup-holder, you're golden?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 19, 2009 @02:52PM (#29797819)

    I say it's a win-win situation.

  • by OzPeter ( 195038 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @02:53PM (#29797841)
    I think that I smell a market for some bendy bit of wire that sits on the outside of the car and funnels the radio waves to the inside compartment . I might call it ...

    [places pinky finger to mouth]

    An .. Aerial !!!!

  • by Tobor the Eighth Man ( 13061 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @02:56PM (#29797883)

    I've spent the past several years designing and prototyping a new type of eco-friendly air conditioning for automobiles that solves both these problems. By using the intrinsic velocity of an automobile and cutting-edge gas dynamics, I've discovered that the inside of a car can be cooled merely by adding an additional aperture to the side of the vehicle. This aperture can even be temporary, thanks to an innovative sliding glass mechanism that preserves visibility and allows a variety of different settings to suit the user's preference. A slight decrease in aerodynamics and therefore fuel efficiency, as well as a tendency for papers to blow around in the back seat, is the only downside.

  • by A nonymous Coward ( 7548 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @02:57PM (#29797907)

    I wondered why General Motors dropped the Oldsmobile brand.

  • by Penguinisto ( 415985 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @02:59PM (#29797939) Journal

    ...my Jeep has air conditioning: the TD2-50 A/C system

    (using it is pretty easy, too: take off the top and both doors, then go 50mph).

  • by Culture20 ( 968837 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:02PM (#29797999)

    ... people will have problems using cell phones while driving?

    When Arnold says he'll "take swift action" [latimes.com] he MEANS IT!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:02PM (#29798021)

    I think that I smell a market for some bendy bit of wire that sits on the outside of the car and funnels the radio waves to the inside compartment . I might call it ...

    [places pinky finger to mouth]

    An .. Aerial !!!!

    I thought that was banned because of the wind resistance, and hence more fuel consumption it caused.

  • by pi_rules ( 123171 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:04PM (#29798029)

    Not sure this really effects Detroit all that much. I think they only sold 6 cars last year.

    Now the "foreign" manufacturers that set up shop south of Michigan? They might actually care.

  • by Kamokazi ( 1080091 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:04PM (#29798039)
    Wow, that sure beats my 'Ventilation Hammer' idea!
  • BTW (Score:3, Funny)

    by kenp2002 ( 545495 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:06PM (#29798067) Homepage Journal

    Did you know that some of that old glazing material was Abseto in old homes... I wonder what crap they want put on our windows now; that in 30 years we'll find out causes cancer, autism, allergies, Liberal Rage Disorder, NIMBY Rightwing Syndrome, a taste for Bud Light, and a yearing for Married With Children reruns...

    I am a firm beliver in colored glass+copper foil+lead with two sheets of clear wire reinforced safety glass on the outside.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:09PM (#29798127)

    Whoa, wait a minute... short-sighted, ineffectual, over-reaching, burdensome laws... IN CALIFORNIA? As a California native, I am shocked, SHOCKED!

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:12PM (#29798177)

    Hopefully, this implementation of it won't peel or bubble.

  • by jbeaupre ( 752124 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:13PM (#29798193)
    Not a problem. The glass will be scattered in you lap, permitting excellent reception again.
  • by 3dr ( 169908 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:15PM (#29798233)
    That's a good example of tight coupling. Clearly, the antenna and windshield should have been communicating over a well thought out interface. Instead, the implementation of one was entirely dependent on, nay, entrenched in, the implementation details of the other.
  • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:49PM (#29798897) Journal
    OR they'll roll down the window to make the call, heating up the car in the process, then run the AC on full blast to level it out afterwards.

    Then turn on the blender to make margaritas because they're still hot and now thirsty.
  • by QuoteMstr ( 55051 ) <dan.colascione@gmail.com> on Monday October 19, 2009 @03:51PM (#29798923)

    If cars were computers:

    • Big ball of mud: the radio is embedded into the car's unibody shell. You can't remove it without totaling the car. It works when it's not raining.
    • Functional: a standard six-foot antenna is bolted to the roof of every car. It may be over-sized and look ridiculous, but it gets the job done.
    • Object oriented: the radio receiver is in a trailer, which is welded shut. It connects to your stereo over a well-documented interface, but nobody knows how the receiver works. Everyone who has tried to find out has been electrocuted.
    • Generic programming [wikipedia.org] : The car comes with two dozen different antennas, each optimized to receive a particular frequency. They're arranged in a barrel in the trunk, and changing the radio station changes which antenna sticks out of the car. The reception is great.
    • Aspect-oriented: the radio is controlled by an electrode attached to your brain that tries to detect when you want to change the station. It separates the concerns of frequency selections and desired music very nicely.
  • by Toonol ( 1057698 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @04:06PM (#29799191)
    It is absurd. We also voted to require that chickens have enough room to walk around when they're being raised to be killed and eaten, but we voted against allowing same sex marriage. We care more about animals than gay people, strangely enough.

    That doesn't really logically follow. I'm sure most Californians wouldn't vote to confine gays to a lifetime in a small cage, and wouldn't vote to allow chickens to marry.
  • by gnick ( 1211984 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @04:13PM (#29799307) Homepage

    I drive wearing night-vision goggles, you insensitive clod!

    Now... The goggles... They will do nothing.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 19, 2009 @05:32PM (#29800463)

    You mean those people who made stupid choices like having teenage sex and getting pregnant or not graduating high school and those people who live way above their means and spend far more than they should can't buy shares? Oh how sad. We should create a welfare program that rewards stupidity and laziness. Oh wait....

  • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Monday October 19, 2009 @06:18PM (#29801021) Journal

    My first though was from Men in Black:

    Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
    Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

    When actually confronted with the condition that the government must tax to raise money to spend for programs, and every dollar out means a dollar in, just like your family budget. It takes some reasoning because nobody thinks of it that way (I don't know why, really). But let them vote on things and they'll spend far more money than they'll ever pay in taxes, and they'll still rail against taking any more money from them.

    I say we start charging people for school, and let the market sort it out. You'd be amazed how many people couldn't afford to send their kids to school, even if you set their taxes at zero.

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