Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading!

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
Windows Microsoft Operating Systems

A Tale of Two Windows 7s 770

Posted by Soulskill
from the dickens'-ghost-just-sighed dept.
theodp writes "It was the best of operating systems, it was the worst of operating systems. When it comes to the merits of Windows 7, it looks like Slate's Farhad Manjoo and PC Magazine's John Dvorak are going to have to agree to disagree. Manjoo gives Windows 7 a big thumbs-up (a sincere one, unlike Linus!), calling it a 'crowning achievement,' while Dvorak is less than impressed, saying, 'Win 7 is really just a Vista martini. The operating system may have two olives instead of one this time out, but it's still made with the same cheap Microsoft vodka.' So, for those of you who've had a chance to check things out, are things really different this time?" Multiple readers have also pointed out that there have been problems with the download and installation of Windows 7 upgrades obtained through the student discount offer, which Microsoft has confirmed.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

A Tale of Two Windows 7s

Comments Filter:
  • Vodka (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sopssa (1498795) * <sopssa@email.com> on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:27PM (#29857787) Journal

    Microsoft Vodka? When do they learn to use Russian Standard Vodka [russianstandardvodka.com] (worth checking out btw, some style for the Saturday night).

    But for that matter, haven't it been established for long already that Win7 is basically Vista with the quirks removed and improved features. Vista was more like a transition, while actually still being a good OS.

    • Re:Vodka (Score:4, Insightful)

      by cjfs (1253208) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:40PM (#29857901) Homepage Journal

      But for that matter, haven't it been established for long already that Win7 is basically Vista

      Vista was somewhat unfairly blasted, Windows 7 is being somewhat unfairly hyped. The differences really are trivial, the Vista launch was just poorly managed. If you took an average customer and stuck windows vista and windows 7 in front of them they'd probably not notice the difference.

      • Re:Vodka (Score:5, Funny)

        by Torodung (31985) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:50PM (#29857999) Journal

        If you took an average customer and stuck windows vista and windows 7 in front of them they'd probably not notice the difference.

        Are you the guy behind the "Mojave" campaign? ;^)

      • Re:Vodka (Score:5, Insightful)

        by bwcbwc (601780) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:47PM (#29858541)

        The biggest difference is that Vista required a major hardware upgrade to run properly. Then when MS realized that there weren't enough "Vista capable" machines in existence to sell enough copies, they tried to shoehorn it into some platforms where it really couldn't perform. So Vista's failure was mostly the fault of the marketing people overriding the engineered design. Although the performance tuning of things like memory caching and the search service were also big problems.

        Windows 7 has a much better chance of success because hardware sold over the past couple of years will have no problem running it. In fact, even some machines that couldn't run Vista should be able to run Win 7. However, if you are already running Vista on a dual-core machine with a couple gigs of memory, there's no real reason to upgrade unless you find the UI changes compelling.

        Ironically, apart from the one-liner about the "cheap Microsoft vodka", Dvorak has absolutely nothing to say about the operating system itself. He spends the whole column railing about the incompetence of the MS marketing department and whinging that he is no longer treated like a press god. Looks like he's finally catching on that the industry has passed him by.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by nneonneo (911150)

          He got you to read his article, didn't he? I think he decided to make a bad review of 7 just because, in a sea of decent reviews, his would stand out and get more pageviews.

          I refuse to read Dvorak, because I really don't think he has anything useful to add.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by dave562 (969951)

          Looks like he's finally catching on that the industry has passed him by

          Three cheers for progress.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by JaredOfEuropa (526365)

        Vista was somewhat unfairly blasted, Windows 7 is being somewhat unfairly hyped.

        Windows 7 is to Vista what XP was to ME, as some have said? Perhaps. I prefer to think of Windows 7 as the Obama of operating systems. Promising, though anything but proven, and its main achievement seems to be being different to a wildly unpopular predecessor.

    • Re:Vodka (Score:5, Insightful)

      by HermMunster (972336) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:50PM (#29858007)

      Dvorak is saying that there's really not a lot new. He's saying that Microsoft didn't bring into the fold those things they promised in Vista prior to the launch (all the interesting technologies they cut out). He's saying that Windows 7 is really just Vista with a few new eye-candy like things. Yes, it is a bit less resource hungry but even with all that the amount of performance gain is only about 5% over that of Vista, which goes unnoticed by the average user.

      The feature sets that they added are not that significant and some of them aren't even based on Vista, instead they are based on add-ins such as WMP.

      Technically, Dvorak is correct. It's just another run on the laundry where some of the more significant stains happened to come out.

      • Dvorak complains in his rank that "Somewhere along the line, Microsoft apparently decided that it only wants to deal with those amenable suckers who will give it a pass on everything". This has been the apple strategy for years, any new hack who doesn't write glowing reviews (or even has the slightest criticism) is cut off from Apple. The hacks, like Mossberg, who praise every apple-touched product are showered with special treatment--including preview samples and preferred access.

        When Apple does this it'

      • Re:Vodka (Score:5, Insightful)

        by murdocj (543661) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:09PM (#29858189)

        Mostly it sounded like Dvorak was annoyed that he wasn't being treated like the big cheese that he thinks he is:
        "I haven't received a single personal note from a Microsoft PR person for roughly four years."

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by demachina (71715)

          I think Windows 7 is a Microsoft marketing and PR brilliance myself. They basically just slapped a lucky #7 on Vista, added just enough new features that they could say it wasn't Vista with a straight face and apparently succeeded in transforming from complete failure to at least a reasonable, if not raging success. Its a tribute to the power of marketing to make lemonade out of lemons. It will probably open an opportunity for them to end of life XP, which they desperately want to do, and force everyone

    • Re:Vodka (Score:5, Informative)

      by frovingslosh (582462) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:55PM (#29858607)
      Windows 7 is basically a service pack for Vista rolled into something with a different name. The purpose of the name change is multi-faceted. It lets Microsoft distance itself from the stink of the Vista name (the OS that even Microsoft executives said was awful), and it completely screws any legitimate Vista owners, who never got a decent OS for their money (or their Microsoft tax if buying it bundled), and asks them to pay again before getting a fixed OS (assuming it is finally fixed). So once again Microsoft screws its customers, as they are the easiest group to screw.
    • Revisionist History (Score:4, Interesting)

      by earlymon (1116185) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:59PM (#29858635) Homepage Journal

      Vista was more like a transition, while actually still being a good OS.

      That is revisionist history in the extreme.

      Despite all who liked Vista - and there were many - no, it was not a good operating system if you use simple consumer metrics: a) it frustrated people, b) it caused many working Windows systems to no longer work, c) it created confusion without end.

      You can even use this simple product metric - it was so bad that the company that made it decided to call the fixed version by a completely different name.

      At the risk of being modded down as a basher - and I'm not - I say this because it's REALITY.

      You might want to disagree with me as a happy Vista user - but that makes my point. You might WANT for reality to have been that Vista was great and poor, poor Microsoft was unfairly slagged and misunderstood - but that is not Vista's history.

      Do you even remember Longhorn? How that failed to materialize? How Vista was supposed to be all of the Longhorn goodness that was supposed to be ready for prime-time release? You do know that Vista wasn't just some follow-on to XP that didn't get a fair shake, yes? And if it was supposed to be the transition to anything, it would have been to the lauded claims of Longhorn?

      Vista failed. Microsoft fixed it (we hope) - but it was such a failure, they had to rename it.

      That was not the fault of Consumer Misunderstanding or poor Microsoft being bashed by the Spiteful Media or People Like Me.

      It failed because too us could get it to work - and fewer still were those that got it working that didn't still prefer XP.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Darundal (891860)
        Longhorn didn't disappear, it was the code name for what eventually became Vista. Even after the code reset, it was still Longhorn.
        • by earlymon (1116185) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @04:11PM (#29859725) Homepage Journal

          Longhorn was the code name for Longhorn. When they couldn't deliver on their promises, they throttled back and delivered a subset that you know as Vista.

          Removing significant features != Eventually becomes.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFS [wikipedia.org]

          From that page: 'WinFS was billed as one of the pillars of the "Longhorn" wave of technologies, and would ship as part of the next version of Windows.'

          Kinda matches my memory - and I do believe that there were other promised techs as well with Longhorn, also not delivered.

          Longhorn didn't disappear, it was the code name for what eventually became Vista.

          Wanting a thing to be true does not make it true.

          You're spouting more revisionist history as well.

  • Die Dvorak (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:34PM (#29857839)

    Seriously allready, it's not funny anymore

  • Good and bad... (Score:5, Informative)

    by SerpentMage (13390) <ChristianHGross AT yahoo DOT ca> on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:40PM (#29857905)

    I have installed it on three machines:

    The good is that desktops work rather well.

    The bad is that notebooks are rather problematic. I have an HP tablet that when the screen is flipped causes the machine to stop dead in its tracks.

    The other problem I had was that upgrading an XP to Windows 7 machine worked ONCE I completely removed all of the partitions. Windows 7 needs a system partition that is blocked by most OEM's backup and restore partition. It frustrated me for five hours, and the messages from Windows 7 were crap.

    Overall, Windows 7 is acceptable. Definitely needed when using Vista, but Windows 7 no work of wonder...

    Want work of wonder... Ubuntu Netbook Remix. Now that has me impressed. I run Windows machines, but on my netbook Ubuntu Netbook Remix runs perfectly and the UI is brilliant. Much better than the Windows 7 stuff.

  • by Kylock (608369) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:45PM (#29857955)

    From the article:

    The desktop OS is besieged from all sides: More and more of our applications now run on the Web, and the idea of running huge, complex, and expensive personal systems will, in time, seem strange.

    Does this remark seem strange to anyone else ? I, honestly, am not seeing this trend at all, but I've seen it talked about. What's the reality here ?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Torodung (31985)

      From the article:

      The desktop OS is besieged from all sides: More and more of our applications now run on the Web, and the idea of running huge, complex, and expensive personal systems will, in time, seem strange.

      Does this remark seem strange to anyone else ? I, honestly, am not seeing this trend at all, but I've seen it talked about. What's the reality here ?

      The reality here is various business interests with a large stake in server farms and service based software fee structures are pushing cloud computing. Hard.

      You will see it talked about as if it is reality a lot, but it really hasn't fully materialized yet.

      This is like someone in the 50's talking about things in "The Jetsons" as the way the future will be, for the time being. A "personal robot" will not seem strange in the future, and so on.

      --
      Toro

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yeah its 100% bullshit. The cloud is a horrible idea. Whats the point of storing all of my information and applications on someone else's computer, only to use the internet to access them. The only "web" applications I use are flash games and stuff for school.
  • by xtal (49134) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:47PM (#29857969)

    If Windows 7 is any good or not is really a moot point. Every new, additional release of windows, and every new API they introduce dilutes the Windows XP/IE monoculture that was stopping the acceptance of alternative OSes. Microsoft is unlikely to ever regain the position of dominance they had on 2000-01, so it's only a matter of time.

  • A martini... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:47PM (#29857977)

    Dear John Dvorak,

    A martini [wikipedia.org] is made with gin and vermouth.

    A vodka martini is made with vodka.

    Stick to bad car analogies next time.

  • by cyclocommuter (762131) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:50PM (#29857995)

    Well it looks like Microsoft has turned the Vista blunder into a Windows 7 success, money making opportunity... great move on their part. They did this by basically just waiting for drivers to mature, waiting for the hardware to catch up, and focusing on creating some fancy ads like these: Windows 7 Ad Campaign Kicks Off, Focuses on Features [osnews.com]

    I tend to agree with Dvorak... Windows 7 is more like Vista SP3...plus some fancy interface updates but basically the same deep down.

    • by Dachannien (617929) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:57PM (#29858083)

      Small Glurmo: But, your Highness, she's a commoner. Her Slurm will taste foul.
      Slurm Queen: Yes, which is why we'll market it as New Slurm. Then, when everyone hates it, we'll bring back Slurm Classic and make billions!

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by bwcbwc (601780)

      Agree what with Dvorak? Apart from the one-liner about cheap vodka, Dvorak doesn't discuss the operating systems at all. On the other hand, you're spot-on about Win 7 being a success because the rest of the market finally caught up with Vista. Reminds me of Windows NT, which never really succeeded until NT4 when the hardware finally caught up.

  • by mattand08 (1663615) <mattand@verizon.net> on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:53PM (#29858033)
    I've been listening to Dvorak on Twit for a few years now. Why does anyone listen to this guy? His whole shtick is to say everything sucks. I'm guessing LaPorte, Marketwatch, et. al. have him on for the "controversy", but more often than not he's just wasting everyone's time.

    I know this stuff has been beaten to death, but here's a guy who:

    A) thought the mouse was a waste of time
    B) thought the iPhone would fail
    C) proclaimed there was no way Google would ever buy YouTube

    among other things. In a strange sort of way, I almost admire him. He's managed to make a career of just complaining about stuff with not much to back it up.

    The only thing I sort of remember is Dvorak claiming he had the scoop on Apple switching to Intel, but IIRC the rocket scientists at MacOS Rumors made the same claim. The implication here is that that prediction may not have been the most difficult to devine (i.e., saying that in the future, there will be a cure for cancer or some other disease.)

    Quite frankly, if Dvorak is shitting all over Win7, my first reaction is that it's probably going to do well. In some ways, Dvorak is to tech as Jim Cramer is to stocks: Do the opposite of what they say and you'll be fine.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      The only thing I sort of remember is Dvorak claiming he had the scoop on Apple switching to Intel....

      That would be when he predicted Apple would adopt Intel Itanium [pcmag.com], naturally. And yes, this was well after Itanium had become "Itanic."

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by FrankDrebin (238464)

      I like Dvorak. He's an outlier and a contrarian. A thousand guys can write essentially the same article, but Dvorak is different. And we only get new and interesting things in this world with people who think differently than the crowd. Sure the contrarian view will often be wrong and therefore unremarkable. But when a contrarian is right, it's a brilliant leap. And Dvorak isn't just a contrarian for its own sake, he presents a logical argument *why* he takes a contrarian position. Yes, I like Dvorak

  • What Cloud??? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 24, 2009 @12:56PM (#29858065)

    Both reviews are based of the reviewers perception of what Microsoft needed to get right, and both are crap. Nobodys opinion matters as much as mine, cause I actually have to *buy* my copy of ... whatever.

    My beef with the Microsoft fanboy's review is not that he got all mushy on 7, which I will admit is not a bad OS in my experience, but his insistance that its all pointless anyway, cause the 'cloud' is coming....

    I know the mainstream media has to jump on the 'next new thing' bandwagon, but this particular bit of hype is baffling for a couple of reasons....

    The entire concept of 'cloud computing' is moronic. Lets throw out 30 years of computer science innovation, turn our boxes into the computing equivalent of a toaster so we can use the internets, office software, Quake, and photoshop by subscribing to a never ending service that we cant actually even license...much less 'own'.

    What could possibly go wrong? Once we all have thin clients on our desks hooked into the cloud, we can get rid of all the desktop programmers and put all the software innovation concentration on those super awesome AJAX developers out there, who can 'almost' pull off web apps that have the features of desktop apps we stopped using in 1998. Hype is stupid, the cloud is marketing fog.

  • by trudyscousin (258684) * on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:03PM (#29858133)

    ...and came to the conclusion that I was dealing with a couple of cranks in Mssrs. Manjoo and Dvorak (not that the latter comes as any surprise).

    Manjoo's piece attempted to 'prove' that Windows 7 was a better operating system based on one feature (Taskbar/Aero Views vs. Exposé) and provided a rather subjective critiqué even for that. I'd have liked to have learned more from him about why Windows 7 supposedly beats out Snow Leopard. Nonetheless, his first paragraph (with regards to crapware and the like) tells me what I've always known about the Windows experience: The more things change, the more they unfortunately remain the same.

    As for Dvorak's piece, "cheap Microsoft vodka" paints a funny picture, but droning on about how he never gets any more press kits from Microsoft (is it really any wonder, knowing Dvorak?) doesn't tell me anything about Windows 7.

  • So what? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by VinylPusher (856712) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (rehsuplyniv)> on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:07PM (#29858177) Homepage

    If I pretend Vista never happened and I'm going straight from XP to 7, 7 is good.

    I could do everything I need to do using just XP, but it wouldn't get done quite as rapidly or elegantly. The whole side-by-side window thing wins a bunch of gratitude from me to Microsoft. Windows key + left/right arrow = definite winner. Anything that reduces my interation with my mouse is a good thing. Works great with side-by-side monitors too :)

    Windows 7 improves things *just* enough for me to have little moments of 'ooh, that's nice', which is something missing from XP and Vista.

    USB device recognition: Fast. Very fast.
    Multi-monitor support: Slick. Unobtrusive. A no-brainer.
    UI interactions: Rapid. Responsive. Highly configurable. -- I tend to turn off all the animations / slide effects. Me click close gadget = window gone instantly. Thus my productivity goes up a small percentage.
    Hardware support: Inconspicuous. Works just like magic. -- My Nokia N97 (with or without installation of Nokia's Ovi application suite) works exactly as I need it to when I hook it up.
    Firewall: I will never need a 3rd-party firewall. Windows 7's firewall (once you get at its interface) is nothing short of perfect.
    Networking: Again, it just works. No need to faff about with it. Even recognised my nForce 4 based motherboard's Nvidia ethernet port. Not just recognised, but supports TCP offloading. Not that I needed to know this, but I went poking around ;)

    OK, I had to install graphics drivers to get any reasonable performance, but if I hadn't, I could still use my 1920x1200 native resolution and not really suffer *too* great a performance loss in office apps.

    Windows 7 will see me through the next 6 years quite happily.

    • Re:So what? (Score:5, Funny)

      by cjfs (1253208) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:28PM (#29858381) Homepage Journal

      Windows 7 will see me through the next 6 years quite happily.

      Until 2015: The year of the Linux Desktop!

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by jcarkeys (925469)
      For the first time ever in a new Windows installation I didn't feel compelled to immediately set up my video drivers. Everything worked smoothly enough. Of course, I did eventually load them up, but it didn't even require a reboot. Needless to say, I'm very pleased with Windows 7 so far.
  • by Leslie43 (1592315) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:22PM (#29858321)
    Dvorak has been known to say things just for the publicity, so take him with a grain of salt. If I remember correctly he has even admitted to this. How much publicity is he getting by going against popular opinion this time? Much of that article is him complaining he was left out of the loop. Awwwwwww, I feel so bad for him, someone needs a hug.
  • by Tumbleweed (3706) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @01:26PM (#29858363)

    Why? Simple - it gets everyone, even the people who don't know any better, OFF of IE 6 and 7. IE 8 is no great technical achievement, but it sure makes my life easier as a web developer. When the hype is whipped up like it is for Win 7, then people are spurred to upgrade hardware, etc. It's a good deal.

    If you have people in your life who won't change to a Mac or Ubuntu, try getting them to upgrade to Windows 7, PLEASE. Legally or illegally. All of us on Slashdot should know how to get a cracked/activated copy of Win 7 that doesn't call the mothership by now. If that's what it takes to get people off of IE 6, DO IT. The lesser of two evils here is moving people to Win 7/IE 8 rather than letting them stagnate the Web by continuing to use IE 6.

  • by sydbarrett74 (74307) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .47tterrabdys.> on Saturday October 24, 2009 @02:06PM (#29858685)
    Seriously -- does anybody still listen to Dvorak's douche-baggery these days?
  • by Posting=!Working (197779) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @02:41PM (#29858935)

    OK, I have no problem with anyone saying Windows 7 is faster than XP. I've never actually seen Windows 7. But I have noticed this gem.

    My laptop was disabled due to the cooling fans being completely blocked and my inability to find the 3 hidden screws to finally open the case. So I hooked up my old desktop, a Celeron 300MHz running Windows 95. When I finally got the laptop running, I could not believe how much slower a Pentum 4M 3.2 GHz with 4 times as much memory was at basic file manipulation. I'm not talking about running any programs, but just open folder move/copy/delete files. I have all visual effect turned off in XP, no thumbnail views, all explorer toolbars and options off, and all power options to Never turn off. Windows 95, double click on a folder and you see the contents before you can get your finger off the button. Same with moving, copying and deleting files, click and done. Everything responds instantly. Windows XP, click and wait. Tried shutting off everything, no wireless, no antivirus or anti spyware, nothing at all running at startup on a clean install, and still nothing responds as quickly.

    Can anyone tell me why a computer that is 10 times faster with 4 times the memory is so much slower at responding to simple inputs? There's a perceptible lag when just single clicking a desktop icon to highlight it.

    I liked computers so much better when the most important thing was reacting to what I was telling it to do.

    There needs to be a Stop button, as in "stop doing everything that you're doing so you can respond to what I'm telling you to do right now."

  • by curmudgeon99 (1040054) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @03:07PM (#29859177)
    I suggest that you Google "Farhad Manjoo" + Microsoft. You will find clear evidence that he is a Microsoft Poodle. You can find dozens of places where he is obviously shilling for Microsoft. Don't trust a damn thing this "Farhad Manjoo" jackass says.
  • Oh good. Yet another iteration of a Microsoft product. They can't just add features or make the old ones better; they have to put them in new places. Take the "Run" command and put it somewhere new. Change the Control Panel. Screw up the Networking configuration screens beyond belief. Change for change's sake. They do this crap in all their products not just the OS; Outlook, Office, etc. It's to the point that customers don't want to upgrade because they don't want to have to re-learn everything.

    People ask me how I can remember all the Unix/Linux command line instructions and I tell them that it's easy. They have not changed much in 25 years. Once you learn them, you've learned them.... all you need is to learn any new ones or any new switches to the old, reliable commands. Contrast this with every Microsoft product ever stole...er, innovated where you'll find new locations for old commands. We know what we need to do but we can't find the stupid command to click on to make it work.

    MS has truly lost their way. The single greatest Apple commercial was the one where John Hodges decided to put all the money on PR and spend nothing to fix the product. It's so typical.

    • by Shados (741919) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @11:04PM (#29862145)

      And aside for the very recent shift with PowerShell (which still can use the old commands anyway), Windows' commands haven't changed in forever either! WMI and you're good to go. Oh, you're talking about the UI! Yeah, that never changed in Linux, ever. No sir!.

      Wait wait, i hear you... "But but...Linux is all about the command line! Windows is all UI!!!"

      Yeah, right. Linux is all UI to the noobs too. So's Windows.

  • by TechnoGrl (322690) on Saturday October 24, 2009 @05:41PM (#29860425)

    A little background about me....
    I've been using Windows since Windows 386 - I even played with Windows 286 for 10 minutes. I really started using Windows all the time with 3.0 . OK... so I've been using it since the mid to late 80's . I'm a microsoft developer by trade ... started in Acess and VB and moved in to NET and SQL.

    Vista , and now Windows 7, pushed me over to purchase a Macbok Pro. I've always admired the UI on those machines but Windows have been good enough and heaven knows it made me enough money.

    So I try Vista 2 years ago. SLOW... excruciatingly bad user interface - Am I sure? Yes. Am I sure that I'm sure...? {sigh} I tried it 3 different times - couldn't take it more than a couple weeks. Transferring several gigs of info through the Explorer interface was a minimum of 5 times slower than in XP. Am I sure? Yes {sigh}

    So I stick with XP and maintain Vista o a VM for when I have to test with it which is NEVER because NONE of my corporate clients are using it.

    So I try Windows 7 about 2 months ago. Looks Pretty ! And it's not asking me if I'm sure it looks pretty every 2 minutes. It looks pretty right up till the time I go into Control Panel. Now it's not looking as nice. WTF? It's Control Panelzilla! Ahhhhh! And look how many new ways I have of sharing things. But you know what? I just want to share a fracking folder. I have a home group now too. I also have more things in my root drive than I ever wanted to see. Ever. Including lots of symbolic links. Which don't seem to be able to be handling correctly in Explorer. You haven't liven until you've seen a file path like "User Data/User/Data/User/ Data/ User data.... ad infinitum . Frack that. Oh ... and it's still slow. And it crashed on mee 5 times the first week.

    So I get a MAc book Pro. A little over 900 bucks. It's light ... it's engineered well and the UI makes me wanna cry tears of joy. And it is faster on 2 gigs of memory and a 2.1 processor than my idiot HP 9700 was with Vista on 4 gigs and a 2.6 processor. MUCH faster. And I can run XP on it beautifully though I never do.

    So I'm no longer a NET programmer. The same companies who NEVER adopted Vista (ummm... like all of them?) will NEVER adopt Win 7 - for the very same reasons. I think they will flock to something else. Linux? Maybe Macc? Maybe. Personally , I think they're screwed. Me? I'm learning Objective C and LAMP technologies and am going to reinvent myself programaticaly speaking. I'm through with MS. It's been a nice long ride bit it's over.

    I've been around a while. I've seen IBM go from the major supplier of PCs and OS... to a non-player. Why? Because they thought they were gods and forgot they were just a corporation. They forgot they couldn't dictate what their clients wanted forever.

    Think the paradigm can't shift?
    Think again.

Building translators is good clean fun. -- T. Cheatham

Working...