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Mozilla Thunderbird 3 Released 272

supersloshy writes Today Mozilla released Thunderbird 3. Many new features are available, including Tabs and enhanced search features, a message archive for emails you don't want to delete but still want to keep, Firefox 3's improved Add-ons Manager, Personas support, and many other improvements. Download here."
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Mozilla Thunderbird 3 Released

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  • This is great (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @06:49PM (#30371606)

    Too bad I switched to Postbox.

  • Tabs (Score:3, Interesting)

    by RalphSleigh ( 899929 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:34PM (#30372056) Homepage

    Ok, does anyone know how to turn off the tabs bar, or at least hide it when there is only one tab, like firefox does?

    99% of the time I read my mail in the reading pane instead of popping open a new window, so the tabs bar is just sitting there with only one tab showing.

    Plus pressing the write button opens a new window instead of a tab anyway...

  • by ddegirmenci ( 1644853 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:38PM (#30372106)
    Not only for linux. I am using Windows XP, and definitely agreed about the Gmail IMAP side, it's so much better now. It finally gives a real reason not to use the url ever again on my PC. I have yet to check the other things though, and it still doesn't do too good on newsgroups refreshing (in terms of speed) as far as I've seen.
  • by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:38PM (#30372120) Homepage
    It's kind of hard to call something "vaporware" when it's open source and you can download betas. Even if the project died right there, it wouldn't be vapor.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:40PM (#30372122)

    I have been a Thunderbird user for as long as it's been around (and before it was "Thunderbird"), and I thought I would be one forever. Even once I started using Gmail for my personal email, I thought I'd need Thunderbird for my work stuff. But, you know, the university started offering hosted Gmail, and I decided to try it... and, months later, I don't miss T-bird at all.

    Thing is, I was one of the hold-outs. While quite a few staff and faculty here are still on desktop email, almost all of our students have preferred web mail for quite a few years now - even when the only web-based option was that gosh-awful "Webpine" (Hey! Here's a great idea! Let's use our awful, counter-intuitive, ugly Pine command line program as a design template for a new web-based email client!). So I wonder for how much longer any desktop email programs will even be considered relevant.

  • Lightning.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by shic ( 309152 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:40PM (#30372126)

    That seems quite an important extension - any idea when (or if) it will be supported by TB3?

    To me, it seems like an error of judgement to mainstream release a new version when key addons have not been satisfactorily updated. For the likes of Lightening, it isn't just eye-candy... and, for many, I suspect, breaking existing (addon) functionality will be unacceptable.

    That said, I'm looking forward to 'conversation' view - and I've craved an improved address book for years... though what I saw when I last took a peek at the Beta wasn't much better than in TB2.

  • Re:Tabs (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mirix ( 1649853 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:41PM (#30372128)
    Stuff you don't want to have handy, but don't want to get rid of either was my interpretation. Like taking ancient files and putting them in a box in the basement, instead of taking up prime real estate in the filing cabinet. right?
  • Re:Tabs (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Martin Blank ( 154261 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:45PM (#30372158) Homepage Journal

    Outlook 2010 has something pretty close to that, including reading in from multiple folders. It's not perfect, but it's miles ahead of what previous versions of Outlook and just about every other standalone client have (at least in Windows).

  • by digitalunity ( 19107 ) <digitalunity@yah o o . com> on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @07:57PM (#30372276) Homepage

    All that does is make your inbox a mess.

    This thread reminds me of the instant-message type SMS text view on Palm Treo phones. No other phone that I have found does it the same way.

    I've been using Thunderbird 3 pre-release for quite a while now and even 3.0 doesn't do it quite right. But, it is what it is. It beats the pants off Thunderbird 2. Now if only enigmail worked on Windows as well as it does in Linux....

  • Re:Tabs (Score:4, Interesting)

    by kizza42 ( 978129 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @09:33PM (#30373080) Homepage
    Funny, the only thing thats keeping me from dropping Thunderbird and moving entirely to Gmail is the "plain-list-of-messages view" that Google is too stubborn to add for people like me that feel threading is a slower way of organizing things
  • by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Tuesday December 08, 2009 @11:52PM (#30373932) Homepage Journal

    (Note for those backwards people who still use POP: IMAP users normally download their message bodies on the fly.)

    Sigh. Been using the beta for a couple of weeks, so I'm familiar with this download-everything behavior. This is not actually a new feature. What's changed is that it's enabled by default. Which is, I agree, pretty dumb.

    Here's why they did this. This version has vastly improved searching (far and away, my favorite new feature) which doesn't work unless you have a local copy of the mailbox for indexing.

    (I find this a godsend. In the past, I've turned on the local copy feature and then used Google desktop search. The problem here is that the user interface for GD sucks. Also, on one of my machines, I can't get GD to even look at the local mailbox file — no idea why.)

    The way Firefox 3 does searching is Ultimately Kewl. (Won't try to describe it, go give it a try.) Naturally, they were proud of this feature and wanted everybody to try it. But just enabling such a potential bandwidth raper was dumb. Somebody should have designed a wizard or something so you could select the mailbox folders you wanted to index.

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @01:01AM (#30374230)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Re:Tabs (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dumfrac ( 595394 ) on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @02:24AM (#30374604)
    You could try the Copy Sent to Current [mozilla.org] Add-on for Thunderbird.
  • by WuphonsReach ( 684551 ) on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @03:07AM (#30374808)
    The account creator tool is a real pain in the ass. There's no simple option to just create a regular IMAP account. The menus kept resetting on me.

    Yeah, it looks like a race-condition. There's some sort of background task that tries to verify that the settings will work, but it doesn't grey out the UI boxes while it does that.

    It works well enough if:

    - You prefer IMAP
    - Your account domain matches up with the mail server domain

    But I could regularly get it confused.

    They're already working on 3.0.1. Figure out how to make it happen repeatedly, then submit a bug report.
  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @05:43AM (#30375348)
    Thunderbird 2 had a fairly useful quick search bar. Type a word, hit enter, and your email list was filtered for just the search term. The list could be multi-selected, moved around and general managed in a normal fashion. The feature was handy for bulk operations since it was fast.

    Thunderbird 3 still has the search bar but results appear in a new tab. This tab does not show results as a list but in a fancy HTML based summary view. That's great if you were searching for a particular message but utterly useless for bulk operations. What if I want to drag and drop a few files around, or delete them or flag them as junk? Even as a summary view it is stupid since it only shows 10 results at a time with a More button at the bottom. FFS, stop mimicking an AJAX web application - the results are RIGHT THERE on the disk and you can certainly show more than 10 results at a time.

    The workaround is to create a saved search but that's even more hassle for something that could be achieved in seconds in v2.0. So much for progress. I suggest if Thunderbird 3.1 turns up, they put an option or two in to control this behaviour and remember what the user has chosen. There is even a "save search as virtual folder" option in the quick search menu suggesting someone was thinking of doing something like this, it just appears to be inexplicably greyed out.

    Thunderbird 3 has potential but it really feels like a regression in several important respects. It also inexplicably lacks things I would have expected to be improved. For example, you still can't select an email, and right mouse and create a filter from it. This is something that Outlook has had for donkey's years.

  • by cenc ( 1310167 ) on Wednesday December 09, 2009 @08:56AM (#30376118) Homepage

    Yea, who ever came up with that search "feature" seriously needs to be kicked in the head.

    On the left hand side, when I see for example an email address similar to my search parameter my inclination is to click on that and expect on the right a complete list of of all similar email. Instead I get some limited half ass list, that might (might) be related to my search.

    THE SEARCH SUCKS.

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