Gnome Switches Nautilus Back To Browser Mode 311
An anonymous reader writes "In one of the do-the-developers-actually-use-their-own-software decisions in the Linux Desktop World, back in 2004 Gnome switched to the 'Spatial' view by default with their Nautilus file manager opening a new window with each new folder viewed. Many derided the decision as poor design or as being different for the sake of being different. Well, after five long years the Gnome powers that be have decided to switch back to browser mode."
Thougt it was default (Score:2, Informative)
Is it really anything *new*? (Score:5, Informative)
I don't know any modern distribution that is using spatial mode for Nautilus windows. Ubuntu tried that and it was only 1 or 2 releases they kept this default setting. Can you help me out with listing distributions that this change will affect somehow?
Re:Is it really anything *new*? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Does it matter? (Score:1, Informative)
Fedora (a very popular gnome centric distro) has nautilus set to open in a new window.
Re:Nautilus following KDE's Dolphin? (Score:3, Informative)
The only differences between that pair of screenshots consists on a couple of dock window widgets which are pretty much never used on KDE's Dolphin and are turned off by default. I use KDE exclusively on a daily basis and I had to look at the screenshot to learn that KDE's Dolphin had an Info dock window and if you happen to use Dolphin then the window config you will get will be exactly the same config as the one Nautilus is sporting on it's screenshot.
Re:Still waiting for a Total Commander equivalent (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Still waiting for a Total Commander equivalent (Score:2, Informative)
No need to switch to Windows VM. Total Commander works nicely under Wine (www.winehq.org)
Re:Nautilus following KDE's Dolphin? (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe because there are only so many ways to design a file manager? They've only been around for, what, 40 years?
Re:Still waiting for a Total Commander equivalent (Score:3, Informative)
Krusader is indeed the best candidate to try and get something to the level of TC, but it really needs a lot of work. I really wish I had the time to grab the codebase and start hammering on those rough edges ...
Re:Those who like the new-window-every-folder view (Score:3, Informative)
Not sure why this is moderated as interesting. The point of a spacial file browser is to use your spacial memory (which is big, and is the reason why you can find things all around the house or on a messy desk easily) to manage your files. Every time you open a folder, it opens in the same place on your screen. This lets you mentally associate screen locations with files.
The problem with spacial browsers is that they don't scale beyond a certain point. They were great on older machines where you'd only have a few hundred files, but managing a thousand files with a spacial UI will just confuse the user. A good compromise would be to use spacial mode for documents and an explorer for everything else.
Re:Nautilus following KDE's Dolphin? (Score:5, Informative)
Well, the rationale for changing from spatial to browser mode in Nautilus is because much of the functionality is now being implemented in Gnome-Shell.
From the following post [gnome.org] by Alexander Larsson:
Re:Now for List Mode... (Score:5, Informative)
Hmm... Maybe you are too young to know, but the list view was the default since forever, in all software. It’s why “ls“ is named “ls”.
Microsoft also had the list view in its file manager of Windows 3.1 and before.
Only with Windows 95 did the resolution even become high enough to allow it for file management. And only then did they merge the program groups (windows with icons inside) with the file manager (a tree of folders and a list of files) to create the Explorer (then they naturally added the web browser in there, as it’s just another space to browse).
It was hated by virtually everybody back then. As was the “new window for every folder‘ mode that became default.
I still have a script that fixes up all windows failures after installation. It’s called AntiDAU (DAU = dümmster anzunehmender user = dumbest assumable user), similar to (XP)AntiSpy nowadays.
I fear that I have to port that script to Gnome and KDE too. Which should tell you a lot about the sad state that they both are headed for (or actually, always were in a bit).
Re:Nautilus following KDE's Dolphin? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:why anyone would use gnome is another question (Score:4, Informative)
The UI developers have somehow created a UI system that somehow blows dozens of MB but actually provides less customisability and ease of use than Windows.
You were doing OK until you hit this. There are few standards on the Windows platform for GUI that matter. Look at Windows Media Player, MS Word and, just for the hell of it, Internet Explorer 8. Toss in Lotus Notes, Quickbooks, iTunes and you have a full swing helpdesk nightmare. KDE and Gnome applications are remarkably consistent in their respective UIs. On top of that, I can run KDE apps on Gnome and Gnome apps on KDE. It just works.
I'll take Linux over Windows every day because the business model is not selling defective by design software and then extorting money from the user to fix known defects. Your hardware, driver, and developer rant? I've never experienced the same issue - save hardware documentation. I've had many hardware manufacturers who have withheld documentation, but nary an open source project that did or failed to have workable documentation after the first version or two (about par for the course for proprietary software, anyway..
Re:Nautilus following KDE's Dolphin? (Score:3, Informative)
The Midnight Commander project was started in '94. Norton Commander was nearly a decade earlier.