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The Secret Origin of Windows 402

harrymcc writes "Windows has been so dominant for so long that it's easy to forget Windows 1.0 was vaporware, mocked both outside and inside of Microsoft — and that its immediate successors were considered stopgaps until OS/2 was everywhere. Tandy Trower, the product manager who finally got Windows 1.0 out the door a quarter century ago, has written a memoir of the experience. (He thought being assigned the much-maligned project was Microsoft's fiendish way of trying to get rid of him.) The story involves such still-significant figures as Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Ray Ozzie, and Nathan Myhrvold; Trower left Microsoft only in November of 2009 after 28 years with the company."
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The Secret Origin of Windows

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @02:19PM (#31416738)

    DOS was king and there were better file management programs at the time (which is all Win was at that point, iirc).

    Xtree & Xtree Gold were premier apps during this DOS era.

  • by kiehlster ( 844523 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @02:34PM (#31416940) Homepage
    vaporware it certainly was not. Did the subby not read the article? Vaporware means there is speculation or announcement of a product that is never released to the public. I have a copy of Windows 1 laying around that my father purchased for business use. We don't have Windows 2.0 or 2.1, and we do have 3.0, 3.1 and 3.11 and 3.11 for workgroups. I'm thinking 2.0 had a fallout in the business world or something like that.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @02:40PM (#31417032)

    vaporware it certainly was not. Did the subby not read the article?

    Did you? Per the article, Windows 1.0 was several years late. During that considerable period, Windows was a product which had been announced but not delivered. Thus it was (past tense) vaporware.

  • by TRS80NT ( 695421 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @02:40PM (#31417038)
    "...better file management programs at the time..."
    including from Microsoft itself. DOSSHELL, included with DOS 4?, 5? (been too long) was a file management and task switching environment that actually was more stable than Windows at the time. YMMHV (...May Have Varied)
  • by Dishevel ( 1105119 ) * on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @02:51PM (#31417176)
    4dos was what I loved back then.
  • Re:To be fair... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) <enderandrew&gmail,com> on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:06PM (#31417392) Homepage Journal

    Software should gain new features with each version. The addditional functionality of the OS should be a given over the years.

    I'll give you that they aren't jacking the price of the Home version given the price in 1985, but have you seen their Enterprise Server pricing model?

    Let's say you're a small business that needs 25 seats.

    You pay for a server license for your domain controller, and a server license for a backup domain controller. Since you're a small shop, that is also the box you run Exchange off of. For both Windows Server and Exchange, you need CALs in addition to the server licenses.

    Then each end user basically needs a SEPERATE client license from the CAL, since their individual desktop OSes need a license, and for email, they need Outlook licenses.

    Shouldn't the server CAL effectively be the same thing as the client software license? They're double-dipping on what is already a very expensive license.

    Home users pirate Windows en-masse, or get it pre-installed with their computer via a cheap OEM license bundled in. Microsoft makes their money on enterprise licensing, where they do jack their prices.

  • Sub-Optimal (Score:5, Informative)

    by headkase ( 533448 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:14PM (#31417510)
    Actually what I was referring to was: Sub-Optimal Solutions [google.ca]. Up to the '90s it was a great matter of debate in economics. Many "learned" professors denied that it existed and that a market would always find the optimal solution. With the introduction of "lock-in" as a concept it is recognized that while markets will find optimal solutions they can become "stuck" with sub-optimal ones for a while. The time-scales are what matter, a market may view a few decades as a blip while to you and I that is quite a while.
  • by Enderandrew ( 866215 ) <enderandrew&gmail,com> on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:21PM (#31417606) Homepage Journal

    Windows 1
    Windows 2
    Windows 3
    Windows NT 3.1
    Windows 3.11 for Workgroups
    Windows NT 3.5
    Windows 95
    Windows NT 4
    Windows 98
    Windows 98SE
    Windows ME
    Windows 2000 (with Pro, Advanced, etc. etc.)
    Windows XP
    Windows XP x64
    Windows Media Center 2005
    Windows Tablet
    Windows Vista
    Windows Media Center 2008
    Windows Media Center 2008 R2
    Windows 7

    I can honestly say I've used everything from Windows 3.1 on, except the Tablet edition. Windows CE, Server, and Mobile editions were left out.

  • Re:To be fair... (Score:2, Informative)

    by BatGnat ( 1568391 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:23PM (#31417618)
    it is not the price of MS software that was raising issues of monopolization, it was the heavy handed business practices, and forcing other competitors out of business...
  • by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepples.gmail@com> on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @03:42PM (#31417860) Homepage Journal
    You are remembering the AARD code, but that was the 3.x series, not the 1.x series that everyone else is talking about.
  • faulty comparison (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @04:11PM (#31418320)

    I think people mainly think of as % of a complete PC. PC then? $3-5000? Windows $99. Do the maths...
    Now, PC=£400 (dunno in $). Windows=$200... NOW do the maths...

    So, by that rational, autos are getting cheaper because gasoline is increasing in price?

    PCs are a commodity, like corn and crude oil - granted Apple dodged that bullet - almost. The development costs of Windows have nothing to do with the price of PCs. If the commoditization of PCs resulted in the decrease of Windows costs, then I'd agree with you.

  • Re:To be fair... (Score:2, Informative)

    by seandiggity ( 992657 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @04:53PM (#31418942) Homepage

    That video was made in what, 1985? And Windows sold for $99 according to the ad.

    That Windows "ad" was an internally distributed Microsoft video that poked fun at Windows 1.0 for its lack of features and Ballmer for his um, Billy-Mays-ness. I guess the idea is "Look how far we've come!" or something.

    IMO, Windows wasn't even usable until Windows for Workgroups, but that's besides the point.

    Windows has gone down dramatically. Now, they've been labeled a monopoly in court, but they're pricing isn't that of a monopolist. Actually, they've given the consumer a really nice value.

    Now, cue the MS haters who are going to accuse me of being an "apologist" and for being a "revisionist". Whatever. I just think it's an interesting micro economic case study.

    The price of their product has nothing to do with whether or not they're a monopolist. In fact, Microsoft has been known to offer their product for nothing or next-to-nothing just for hegemony, which is exactly what you would expect from a monopolist. See the attempt to ruin the Mandriva/Nigeria deal [mandriva.com] a few years ago for an example...in economic terminology, such actions are called dumping [wikipedia.org].

    Now, one reason the price of Windows has come down is because Windows is just a platform for Microsoft to lock users into their proprietary world, most importantly to sell MS Office (see this chart [businessinsider.com]). Another reason is that the software-as-a-product model is dying, and everyone knows it.

    Long-term, Microsoft can't compete with free software [youtube.com] and the corporations whose business models are built around it. Expect the price of Windows to come down as the trend continues :)

  • Re:To be fair... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @05:40PM (#31419588)
    No, what was being sold in 1985 was the full Windows package. It was not a stripped down crippled version. So, the fair comparison would be with Windows 7 Ultimate at almost $300. That while everyone else in the industry has had dramatic price drops. [amazon.com]
  • Re:To be fair... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Dog-Cow ( 21281 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @05:56PM (#31419810)

    You don't even need those patches. 2.6 has been preemptible in the main line for ages now.

  • Re:Why would we? (Score:3, Informative)

    by martin-boundary ( 547041 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @07:20PM (#31420832)
    When you compare the current Win prices to the price of Win 1x, you're implicitly making the claim that the original Win 1x prices were "correct", as in market equilibrium prices. Then you say that the current Win prices are the same after an adjustment, which lets you claim that the latest Windows prices are still market equilibrium prices, rather than artificially high monopoly prices.

    But this line of reasoning doesn't explicitly depend on the fact that Microsoft was the company selling Win 1x, and would work if any other company happened to be selling Win 1x, provided you could claim that said company wasn't a monopoly at the time and was offering Win 1x at correct (equilibrium) market prices.

    Thus, take (e.g.) Netware's price at the time as correct, and compare with Microsoft's networking offerings today.

  • Re:To be fair... (Score:2, Informative)

    by X3J11 ( 791922 ) on Tuesday March 09, 2010 @08:23PM (#31421398) Journal

    Every custom compile is essentially a fork.....dead-end forks, but forks none-the-less.

    Wrong wrong wrong.

    In the open-source community, a fork is what occurs when two (or more) versions of a software package's source code are being developed in parallel which once shared a common code base, and these multiple versions of the source code have irreconcilable differences between them. This should not be confused with a development branch, which may later be folded back into the original source code base. Nor should it be confused with what happens when a new distribution of Linux or some other distribution is created, because that largely assembles pieces than can and will be used in other distributions without conflict.

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