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Solaris No Longer Free As In Beer 392

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rubycodez writes "Oracle, having acquired Sun Microsystems, including its Unix, will no longer give away free Solaris licenses. Oracle also states that some features of its Oracle Solaris will not appear in OpenSolaris, which means OpenSolaris may start to die."
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Solaris No Longer Free As In Beer

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  • So fork it. (Score:5, Informative)

    by doishmere (1587181) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @02:11AM (#31683512)
    There's nothing stopping anyone from forking the existing distribution and maintaining it separately from Oracle; if Oracle does release any code back into the public, it can be incorporated too. FTA, "The good news is that those of us who have worked so hard to bring this project to life still wholeheartedly believe in it. A core group of the Wonderland team intends to keep the project going."
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @02:16AM (#31683532)

    This is the closed source version of Solaris, you can't redistribute it period.

  • Re:May? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @03:17AM (#31683954)

    To rephrase, take one product and sell it to each customer for as much as they can afford, using the number of cores and amount of RAM in their server(s) to judge.

  • Re:So fork it. (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:08AM (#31684232)

    It's bizarre how the article carelessly switches from talking about Solaris (well, OpenSolaris FUD) to four or five paragraphs about "Project Wonderland", implying that Wonderland has something to do with OpenSolaris. I had to do a web search to remind myself what in the world this project was:

    Project Wonderland is a 100% Java open source toolkit for creating collaborative 3D virtual worlds. Within those worlds, users can communicate with high-fidelity, immersive audio, share live desktop applications and documents and conduct real business. Project Wonderland is completely extensible; developers and graphic artists can extend its functionality to create entirely new worlds and add new features to existing worlds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Wonderland [wikipedia.org]

  • Re:So fork it. (Score:1, Informative)

    by rodgerd (402) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @04:48AM (#31684504) Homepage

    If you read more closely, you'll see OpenSolaris is poisoned by dependencies on key closed components (including libc) that Sun never released, only providing binary builds for. That fork's a non-trivial task.

  • Re:That's fine (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @05:10AM (#31684668)
    Some "open licences" don't allow you to make changes and redistribute them (i.e. fork the code base) but instead require you to submit all changes to the copyright owner which has final say over what gets accepted. So if the owner decides to take their ball home and start charging for a new version, you're stuck with the last open version and unable to exchange any changes you make with like-minded folks. In the long run that freezes any improvements and will kill most projects unless such a project is a mature limited implementation of a straightforward and unchanging standard.
  • Re:Well then (Score:5, Informative)

    by petree (16551) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @05:51AM (#31684920) Homepage Journal

    Can you name just five more of these things? Two real examples followed by some handwaving about dozens of others doesn't really convince, especially when everyone knows those are the only two interesting things about Solaris.

    Here's five:

    • Crossbow
    • Kernel Mode CIFS Server
    • Zones
    • Logical Domains
    • COMSTAR: iSCSI & Fibre Channel

    ...plus five more reasons why ZFS counts as more than one 'feature'. Just cause it's easy to do with ZFS, doesn't each of these aren't killer features on their own.

    • Snapshots & Time Slider
    • Boot Environments
    • Checksums for Data Integrity ('zpool scrub' lets me sleep at night)
    • Deduplication
    • Hybrid Storage Pools (Hard Disks and Flash are more useful together)

    ZFS+DTrace are great, but certainly not the only features Solaris10/OpenSolaris/SolarisNext have going for it.

  • Re:That's fine (Score:3, Informative)

    by udippel (562132) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @05:55AM (#31684934)

    Yes. Correct on almost all accounts. It might even be worthwhile, but SUN managed to create an artificial community only. According to my 2 Sen, this also broke its neck: In and out. Free Java, no, don't, free Solaris, yes, no, new license. And the 'community' could decide what they wanted, as SUN employees they had to follow Ponytail's zig-zag course.
    No, it is not 'fairly similar' to the other Unix-like systems, though. Actually, it is the furthest away from those systems.

  • Re:That's fine (Score:5, Informative)

    by CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @06:15AM (#31685058)

    Of course this is precisely the reason for licenses like the GPL that explicitly prohibit this kind of bait and switch tactic for "open source" software development. Trusting and relying upon the goodwill of a for-profit company that can have management changes or get taken over by a different company as is this case will always happen.

    Score one more for Richard Stallman being proven correct.

    Nothing is being "switched" all the OpenSolaris stuff is still there, Oracle just won't be adding new features it develops to it. All the code that was there is still open even without the magical GPL and can be developed further. From TFA :

    "The good news is that those of us who have worked so hard to bring this project to life still wholeheartedly believe in it. A core group of the Wonderland team intends to keep the project going. We will be pursuing both for-profit and not-for-profit options that will allow us to become a self-sustaining organization. "

  • Re:That's fine (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @06:31AM (#31685128)

    While the existing codebase is licensed irrevocably under the Open Solaris license, Oracle doesn't need to release any changes under that license and doesn't need to accept any community additions.

    Any changes/upgrades to the various subsystems of Solaris such as ZFS need not be released under the open license.

  • Re:That's fine (Score:3, Informative)

    by adosch (1397357) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @07:05AM (#31685342)
    Funny, I don't see a *single* mention of the following items related to TFA anywhere in your off-topic post: Solaris, OpenSolaris, Free, Oracle, Money ...what point are you trying to prove?
  • Re:So fork it. (Score:4, Informative)

    by Brandon Hume (73471) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @08:43AM (#31686078) Homepage

    And if you read http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/no_source [opensolaris.org] , which is the ACTUAL list of non-source-available components, you'll only see "libc_i18n" listed. Not libc.

  • Re:That's fine (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @09:10AM (#31686356)

    There's no such thing as a troop of Eagle Scouts.

    That's like a platoon of sergeants.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @09:19AM (#31686436)

    Hey, Einstein, anybody in computers is a janitor; just the pay levels change. Machines are getting both faster and smarter, needing fewer people to do a given amount of work. Add to this the tendency of most companies to treat the majority of their IT staff like shit, AND the hateful, unmentioned but expected 24-7 support so the PHB can get his email and you'll realize that ANY time in IT is time wasted. Even one year in IT is a career backwater. I'm doing everything I can to get out, even in this economy.

  • Re:I feel sorry (Score:3, Informative)

    by LWATCDR (28044) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @09:43AM (#31686758) Homepage Journal

    "This led to a simple solution: over-tighten them."
    I would suggest locktite :) no really it should work a treat but kind of scary to use on a 30k machine.

  • That is stupid. (Score:3, Informative)

    by jotaeleemeese (303437) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @10:42AM (#31687600) Homepage Journal

    Oracle has made clear that Solaris has an important place in their integrated vertical offerings (why should they use anything else? the capabilities of Solaris+ZFS+dtrace are way above anything else in offer in the industry, Sun put several storage servers that show the potential of the integrated offering, Oracle I am sure is not oblivious to that, the day they had their talk about cloud computing in London they made a point of showing Sun hardware and of giving a slot to a Sun guy).

  • Re:May? (Score:4, Informative)

    by dekemoose (699264) on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @11:22AM (#31688276)

    you only need to lie to managers that our "solution" (including support etc) will cover their ass should anything go wrong.

    FTFY.

    I worked support at a company that Oracle acquired and we went from having the best support money could buy to having the most expensive answering service money could buy. Oracle works very hard to make sure that their support process is consistent, repeatable and efficient at handling the volume of issues submitted. You'll notice I didn't say anything about being good at handling issues, that is not a concern for them. Most of the folks who were any good at all found jobs elsewhere and were replaced by offshore staf with little to no knowledge of the product whose primary purpose was to shuffle requests around while they drowned the few remaining decent support staff with inane questions. This is my understanding at least based on talking with folks who are still there, I was one of the first rats who fled that sinking ship.

    No matter how bad Sun's support may have been in recent years* you can rest assured that it will be worse under Oracle's ownership.

    All the being said, AC is right, Oracle sells to management not to the geeks. There's still a general perception amongst the management types that "you can't be fired for buying Oracle".

    *I've never used Sun's support, no idea if it's been decent or not.

  • Re:I feel sorry (Score:4, Informative)

    by einhverfr (238914) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [srevart.sirhc]> on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @12:01PM (#31688812) Homepage Journal

    When I transitioned from Solaris and AIX to supporting RH and SuSE several years ago, I experienced somewhat of a shock: servers hanging on shutdown, lousy NFS performance, Samba slowing down to a crawl under moderately heavy load and a crapload of other issues I never thought a unixoid OS can suffer from. All these problems coupled with consumer-grade hardware and what you get is one big, never-ending downtime. Something is always down or barely limping along.[emphasis added]

    I dunno how many years this was ago but in the time I have been using Linux (since 1999), scalability and performance on the server-side have improved greatly, in large part due to IBM's interest in trying to bring Linux up to the level of AIX in these areas..... Comparing Linux to Solaris in 1999 would have been like comparing Windows ME to Linux at the same time. However things have improved a great deal. In particular the schedular wars have left us with a far better OS than we ha before.

    I have generally found Linux to be the most admin-friendly OS out there. This is reason to use it where it works well. More recently Linux has gotten a lot of effort in resolving those very problems you mention.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @02:20PM (#31690796)

    Posting anonymously because I'm an employee, but in the short-term, this is simply a way of extracting more money from existing customers who will be forced to pay the "Oracle tax". Oracle raised prices in 2008 [infoworld.com] and 2009 [readwriteweb.com], but this year we were told "you have to increase revenues, but can't just keep raising the product prices". The solution? Sell more of existing product or sell new products. The trouble is, any new products (either developed or acquired) need some time to get traction. What better way to boost revenue than to find critical Oracle-owned components that we aren't charging for and beginning to charge? Sure, customers have a choice technically, but in reality any company heavily invested in Solaris will find it too costly to switch in the short term.

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