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What Happens When IPv4 Address Space Is Gone 520

darthcamaro writes 'We all know that IPv4 address space is almost all gone — but how will we know when the exact date is? And what will happen that day? In a new report, ARIN's CIO explains exactly what will happen on that last day of IPv4 address availability: '"We will run out of IPv4 address space and the real difficult part is that there is no flag date. It's a real moving date based on demand and the amount of address space we can reclaim from organizations," Jimmerson told InternetNews.com. "If things continue they way they have, ARIN will for the very first time, sometime between the middle and end of next year, receive a request for IPv4 address space that is justified and meets the policy. However, ARIN won't have the address space. So we'll have to say no for the very first time."'
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What Happens When IPv4 Address Space Is Gone

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  • by sopssa ( 1498795 ) * <sopssa@email.com> on Saturday April 24, 2010 @03:56PM (#31968904) Journal

    This is the more likely situation. The address price wont just run out but the prices will increase. Cost of one ip address is $0.5-$1 currently. IPv6 is not ready for mainstream use yet. If we ever run out of addresses, it doesn't mean they won't be available. It just means you have pay more for them.

  • Re:Hmmm (Score:2, Interesting)

    by h00manist ( 800926 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @04:02PM (#31968944) Journal
    The price for ipv4 addys will go up. Their people who suddenly own fortunes in un-sold ipv4 addresses will start to sabotage ipv6, hiring marketing teams to spew bad news about it all over. The IPV4 price and demand go up more. Trade battles between Japan, the US, China and Europe will break out. IPV4 will be deemed a national security interest, and a government oversight board in the Dept of Commerce set up. IPV6 will be relegated to a hackers hangout meeting space along with IRC. Japan will invade the US with self-repairing nanobot armies eating up all copper and fiber connections. The US will firebomb Germany and feed a couple of nukes to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
  • Re:Hmmm (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Burdell ( 228580 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @04:21PM (#31969084)

    You conveniently cut out the part of the quote that said ARIN would "receive a request for IPv4 address space that is justified and meets the policy". Have you ever applied for IPv4 space? ARIN does say no if your application does not have sufficient justification. I've had it happen, when someone decided we needed to apply for space when we hadn't really filled our existing space (it was just assigned inefficiently).

  • Re:Hmmm (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 24, 2010 @04:25PM (#31969126)

    but they'll definitely consider just NATting new customers.

    Trouble is, 99% of users won't even notice. If they profile the users to figure out which ones won't notice beforehand, even more.

    Naw, they'll just NAT everyone and charge users that want a publically addressable IP. They will give the tier a name like "Gamer Pro" and the chart that lists differences between packages will have a new row for "Ability to host internet games" or something like that.

  • Re:Hmmm (Score:2, Interesting)

    by VTI9600 ( 1143169 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @04:42PM (#31969248)

    They never say no to anyone.

    ...a practice that spammers frequently take advantage of to churn through blocks of essentially disposable IP space. They do this to avoid sender-reputation based blocking techniques, which are used by pretty much all modern spam filters these days. The focus used to be on content inspection tools like SpamAssassin, but I digress.

    Spammers typically start out by setting up a "grey" block of IP addressses that they use to basically filter down their lists of email addresses to remove honey pots and emails that trigger bounces/complaints. These grey blocks get banned pretty quickly so they'll then set up "white" blocks of IP's from which they send mail to the remaining addresses. When the white blocks start to get banned, they basically repeat the process with fresh IP's...and so the cycle continues over and over.

    I couldn't find any statistics on how many IP blocks are continuously wasted by this practice, but I'll bet the number is pretty big. ARIN has become a bit stricter since the early days of the Internet when it was handing out class-A's and B's to any large institution who cared to ask, but it still has a long way to go.

  • by chill ( 34294 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @05:08PM (#31969380) Journal

    I just relocated to Virginia and to my surprise, Comcast is providing IPv6 addresses on their residential links. I'm going to activate IPv6 on my dd-wrt router and all my PCs sometime this weekend.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 24, 2010 @05:26PM (#31969470)

    Back in the day when SCO was still headquartered in Santa Cruz, I had one of their OS coders teaching a Unix class at a local college. He pointed out that SCO had ended up owning two entire /8 networks.

    Wonder if selling those could fund another round of lawsuits?

  • Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @05:35PM (#31969528)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by pipedwho ( 1174327 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @06:03PM (#31969680)

    Ok, let's say the IPv4 space ran out today and your ISP said you now have to run your server out of an IPv6 address.

    You're now forced to move your server to another ISP that still has addresses available (probably ones that will start NATing all their non-server based clients so they can use their IPv4 allocations for server use).

    If ISPs start moving non-server clients over to IPv6, then things will transition slowly, and at some point (ie. in 5 years) it will become feasible to run a server solely in the IPv6 address space as it will be accessible by the majority of users. Things progress this way until only a few dedicated IPv4 servers/clients are now safely behind translation routers.

    However, instead of using IPv6, the sad thing is those ISPs will probably use IPv4 NAT to do the translation. The net effect is we push the crunch out a couple more years, but the following future is likely to develop as:

    Fast forward a couple of years and now you find that all the ISPs charge a significant amount extra to run your server from an IPv4 address. You just pay more as it's just business as usual and you have no other choice. The ISPs with huge allocations are all laughing as they can leverage their allocated spaces at ever increasing dollar amounts. It's wonderful! The geeks aren't happy, because now it costs a lot more money to run their non-profit servers. Big business doesn't care, because it helps them by increasing the barrier to entry for smaller companies trying to compete with them on the internet front.

    Fast forward five more years and things are now getting out of hand. Everyone is running behind NATed 10.x.x.x addresses (except large public servers), every second URL contains a port designator, port 80 web servers are now a luxury, ISPs are giving users the option of cheaper port redirects back to their own servers, and people are claiming that we've solved the problem for another 10 years.

    Still the geeks are worried, but no one else cares. They now have less 'cruft' on the internet to worry about, and as long as they can still get to their Bittorrent/Porn/Facebook/YouTube they are happy as Larry.

  • Re:Hmmm (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 24, 2010 @06:20PM (#31969776)

    $1/ip/year.

    HP would figure out how to give them back pretty quick if it'd save them $50mil/year.

    Maybe the proceeds could be spent on adding SNI support to clients that don't have them?

  • It's simple (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gelfling ( 6534 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @06:25PM (#31969818) Homepage Journal

    The Class A owners will sell off chunks of their space one B class at a time.

  • by Ogi_UnixNut ( 916982 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @06:52PM (#31969950) Homepage

    ...and we can watch the nerds scramble to upgrade their home and work enterprises so they can access it. :-P

    I'm joking, or at least I think I am. If Slashdot did that I'm sure I would put more effort into getting an ipv6 address.

  • by NicknamesAreStupid ( 1040118 ) on Saturday April 24, 2010 @07:18PM (#31970124)
    I was part of Open Systems Interconnection, OSI. We were pushing one of those many technologies like XNS, CHAOSnet, DECnet, IPX, SNA, and ATM/SONET that 'competed' with TCP/IP (NCP had been beaten back by then;^). Before the days of NAT, I had a "very persuasive" presentation that showed the Internet running out of 32-bit IP addresses by 1995 (China and India were my big closers that silenced a lot of TCP wonks). OSI had a 'better' addressing scheme that did everything -- distinguished end systems (ES) from intermediate systems (IS), facilitated class of service, extended addressing to the transport/session/presentation layer services, incorporated MAC layer addressing, facilitated source routing, provided network management hooks, and would give you a blow job that pealed the cover off a plenum cable. It was the ultimate networking addressing scheme. The routing vendors, who were accustomed to shoving the whole network layer address into a 32-bit register, said they couldn't implement a 20+ byte NSAP address, even though they only had to route on a small portion of it. In the 1980s, that was probably true. Most of OSI died (X.500, ASN.1 and a few others survived), partly due to its massive scope (like ADA), and partly due to the fact that the authors ignored the IETF and most of the people who implemented the Internet. Much of what OSI tried to do is now being done by the IETF on their own schedule and their own mandate. To the victors go the spoils and the spillage.
  • by jesset77 ( 759149 ) on Sunday April 25, 2010 @03:58AM (#31972262)

    "Control the Spice, Control the World"

    Srsly though, everyone who wants to "sell unused IP space" needs to take a CCNA course and lurn up on some routing facts.

    IPv4 space is divided into large blocks, /22 or larger (aka 1024 address blocks) which are listed in the Global Routing Table (several hundreds of megabytes long) and then distributed to EVERY BORDER GATEWAY on the planet, including mine.

    Getting traffic routed to one IP means knowing which very large block it is in, and sending the traffic down the right path to that ISP.

    Thus, you cannot just sell off small blocks of IP addresses without the Global Routing Table balooning hundreds or thousands of times, which means everyone would have to upgrade routers, which would (shock and surprise) all be IPv6 compliant at that point anyway.

  • by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara,hudson&barbara-hudson,com> on Sunday April 25, 2010 @01:30PM (#31975970) Journal
    It would add 5 years, since demand in North America is now pretty stable. Cut most of China off (a "reverse great wall of china") and you will free up even more - AND get rid of Chinese spammers. This will force them to move to IPv6. Now, what's the problem with that again?

It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.

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