Australian Police Ask Facebook For Police Alarm Button 237
littlekorea writes "The Australian Federal Police (AFP) has requested social networking site Facebook install a law enforcement representative in Australia and introduce some sort of button in which users can immediately report online crime to the police in a single click. It is National Cyber-Security Awareness Week in Australia, so the AFP is on an all-out offensive — announcing it is also investigating whether Google committed offences under Australia's Telecommunications Interception Act when it harvested Wi-Fi data." Something like this has been in the works for a while.
australia? (Score:2, Insightful)
Whats up with australia? its a development country yet seems to go crazy with censorship and crazy laws
Because this totally (Score:5, Insightful)
won't get flagrantly misused
Re:australia? (Score:5, Insightful)
They want to 'develop' into a fascist state off the bad and skip that whole messy democracy stuff
... and then (Score:2, Insightful)
I am certain that as soon as this is implemented, some guy or groups of guys will abuse this for all its worth. Whether it be for political reason, activicism of anything else. This will be like a DDOS on the poor guy who will be in change of checking these things, it will be a waste of money.
Why Facebook? (Score:5, Insightful)
can't see the website button getting abused in any way, no siree...
Why not use your own panic button? (Score:4, Insightful)
I have one, but admittedly it requires 3 keypresses not one click.
It's called a cell phone. "9" "1" "1" "Talk"
It works quite well for reporting both online and offline crime.
What type of crimes? (Score:5, Insightful)
What type of crimes to they believe happen (often) on Facebook? And whatever other websites they might have contacted.
I don't see how this would result in anything but meaningless spamming of that "button".
Re:Why Facebook? (Score:5, Insightful)
now picture this argument being brought to the US where the FBI gets a button, each of the 50 states gets a button, every county, town, city PD gets a button, etc. etc....the internet would collapse under the weight of all the buttons, none of which would ever get used for a useful purpose...
Re:Why not use your own panic button? (Score:3, Insightful)
Around the drain we go... (Score:1, Insightful)
I can't believe how much this country has changed. 15-20 years ago, the average Australian had a completely different attitude & outlook on life. We were easy going & resilient.
Nowadays, we're all about giving up our civil liberties, protecting the children from the throngs of pedophiles, buying houses that are well outside our paygrade, sueing people for nothing & basically being a pack of selfish, self-righteous bitches.
The Australian mentality is quickly perishing, along with the accent.
Re:australia? (Score:2, Insightful)
As for google - they have deliberately been sniffing WAP's - and the extent of that means that they may have been breaking a law which has existed for a very long time in Aus.
So get off your high horse before you hurt yourself.
It's the "correct" usage that is the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Misused? It's the "correct" usage that is the problem...
They (The governments, cops, the man, whatever) keep trying to lower the treshold of reporting a crime. In theory, this is a good thing: If a crime is committed against me, I might already be upset etc. and should not be forced to jump through additional hoops. However, reporting a crime is notable thing that should be carefully considered. I am not some right wing nutjob who thinks that government should never interfere and whatnot but if someone is harassing you online, you really should think carefully if there is some better way to deal with the situation than involve the cops and the justice system with all its weight! When we aren't talking about crimes that put you or someone you know in immediate danger (in which case you generally should call 911 or its equivalent, not use some online system that isn't designed for that fast response) I think that it is actually better if you are required to visit a police station, call it or at the very minium send a goddam e-mail! If the crime is so insignifcant that you can't be bothered to send an e-mail to report it, perhaps you shouldn't report it!
Think about how people use Facebook. People use it after all the major events in life (break ups, etc.), during night when they are sleep deprived, after they haven consumed alcohol... And when only communicating with text there are plenty of possibilities for misunderstanding the other party (something that was meant as a joke can be misinterpreted and so on)... We really don't need effortless one-click-crime-reporting in that enviroment.
Re:Because this totally (Score:5, Insightful)
I might have to sign up to Facebook again just to abuse this button.
Re:australia? (Score:4, Insightful)
They want to 'develop' into a fascist state off the bad and skip that whole messy democracy stuff
It's true. The AFP also wanted a few other Facecook buttons: "Are my Papers OK?" and "Turn in My Parents". The real problems started in Australian politics when the christian fundys managed to get a guy into parliament. I guess they think they have the moral high-ground; when really they're just a bunch of arse-clowns, pushing their beliefs. So much for separation of church and state. *sigh*
Brilliant idea (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:australia? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you're conflating Oz with Kansas, Oz is not part of the the US (yet). Our (cerimonial) head of state is the Queen and she is also the head of the church of England.
"The real problems started in Australian politics when the christian fundys managed to get a guy into parliament."
We have always had token fundies in both state and federal parliments, democracy is not an excuse to silence well organised nutters.
As for TFA; Try keeping it in perspective. Asking for a "snitch button" on facebook is no different to asking a TV station to put a "neighborhood watch" ad on TV.
Re:Is sniffing WAPs a crime? (Score:3, Insightful)
I suppose if I repeatedly hit myself in the head with a hammer I could eventually understand how those type of privacy laws equate to Nazi eugenics but seeing that I live in a police state someone would probably lock me up for seditious use of a carpentary tool before I managed to properly educate myself.
Re:Because this totally (Score:5, Insightful)
Even sadder, in practice, most of the things you see on Facebook are posted by "friends", so this is essentially encouraging you to rat on your friends.
On the other hand, if you really need to be using a "notify the police" button when hanging out with your friends, then maybe you need different friends.
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Re:Is sniffing WAPs a crime? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's illegal to open the little box at the end of my neigboor's driveway and "sniff" the contents of their mail. It's illegal to open a pit in the footpath and "sniff" the contents of a telephone call...
The problem with your analogies is that they involve interaction well beyond what's going on in this case. With the mail, you have to open the mailbox, remove mail, and presumably open up envelopes to "sniff" the mail. With the telephone system, you're going a few steps even further. No sort of interaction is going on with wireless network sniffing.
To make your mail analogy work, we'd have to rework the mail system. We'd toss out mailboxes. Instead, there's a bulletin board. You tack your mail up on that when sending or receiving mail. If you're not too picky, you're just tacking up post cards. Anyone who's passing by who cares to look can see not only that you have a mail board up, but what you're using it for. Of course, some people have an issue with this - or are simply following trends set for them. They've taken to folding their post in half before tacking it to the board (WEP). Casual drive-by observers, such as Google, now can only tell that you've got a post board up and what it's called. They can see that you're using it. But beyond that, it takes effort to walk up to the board and unfold the message to read it (WEP being relatively trivial to decrypt depending on the details). Those in the post board industry weren't happy with that and developed envelopes that make it even more difficult to read your neighbors mail (WPA / WPA2). Most people are using these envelopes by default even if they don't understand why - it's the trendy thing to do (and most access point hardware has you set it up by default). All people would probably use these envelopes if they understood what's involved. A few people are running around screaming that Google looked at their post board - they're the same ones upset that a picture was taken of their front door.
Re:Is sniffing WAPs a crime? (Score:1, Insightful)
Yeah right, wifi transactions somehow manage to pop-up on my computer screen and display the packet contents without any kind of interaction from me. What google did is possibly illegal but nobody is going to serve time because of it. Worse case is a fine and a court order to destroy any illegally acquired data, best case is the laws are clarified through precedent. However, in case you missed it the first time, my original point was; none of this is remotely analogous to nazi eugenics.
Re:australia? (Score:5, Insightful)
So why aren't people up in arms because telco's are forced by law to provide a 000 service (ie: Aussie 911). Nobody is forcing facebook to do anything, it's a fucking request for a community service that facebook can either grant, deny, or offer something in between.
"It's WAY over the top for them to request something so intrusive."
Facebook may or may not see things differently but since it's mearly a request it's up to them to decide what is "over the top".
Re:Pushes Big Red Shiny Button (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Why Facebook? (Score:3, Insightful)
Facebook has 500 million users - 1/6th of humanity
So the other three or so billion people on the planet are subhuman?
If you use Gmail, they have a "this is spam" button - that is certainly faster than calling Google's helpdesk.
That button doesn't contact any humans. And they STILL don't have a "reporting phishing scheme" button, though they do have some inadequate phishing detection.