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ICANN Approves .xxx Suffix For Porn Websites 273

An anonymous reader tips news that ICANN has officially approved the creation of a .xxx suffix for porn sites, confirming the rumors we discussed on Thursday. While this resolves a 10-year debate on the subject, the Guardian notes that "many pornography companies are unhappy with the idea of a dedicated space online because they expect that as soon as .xxx is implemented, conservative members of the US Congress will lobby to make any sex-related website re-register there and remove itself from other domains such as .com or .org." Others are more confident, like Stuart Lawley of ICM Registry, the company sponsoring the new TLD. "Mr. Lawley said more than 100,000 domains had preregistered. He said he expected that when the dot-xxx domains opened for business, nine to 12 months from now, some 500,000 domains would register, or roughly 10% of the five million to six million adult online sites."
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ICANN Approves .xxx Suffix For Porn Websites

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:10PM (#32709238)

    I'm sure that 90% of those preregistrations are by domain name squatters.

  • What is the point? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by axl917 ( 1542205 ) <axl@mail.plymouth.edu> on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:17PM (#32709280)

    All this will do is rake in registration $$$ and have zero effect on anything else. Take any site for example, like youporn.com. They will go register youporn.xxx so they have their name protected, and one will redirect to the other. If some other company tried to register youporn.xxx out from under them, the real site would just sue and claim it.

    They won't give up their .com addresses, so nothing will change.

  • Wtf is xxx? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bjourne ( 1034822 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:24PM (#32709324) Homepage Journal
    It is only in the US that xxx is equivalent to porn. In other languages, xxx means crossed over or censored. So why the fuck is the new tld called "xxx" when the porn link is only obvious to Americans? Isn't ICANN supposted to care about the whole world and not just the US? If they wanted a porn tld, they could have called it ".porn," ".adult" or even ".sex" both which would have been more logical than ".xxx" Is it because the word "porn" is so dirty you have to call it "xxx" instead and pretend it is something else?
  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:28PM (#32709342) Journal
    They've been trying to get a .xxx domain for a long time, but I couldn't figure out why. The porn industry opposes it, the people who oppose the porn industry oppose it, and tech people generally oppose it. Took me a while to realize it was only some registrars who wanted some extra cash who kept bringing it up.

    My question is, why did ICANN finally relent? Were they bribed? Did they just become impatient over the issue that they've said 'no' to for over a decade? Is it possible to get anything passed through ICANN if you just ask enough times? Why is ICANN supporting this blatant rent-seeking?
  • Terrible idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TuballoyThunder ( 534063 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:30PM (#32709364)
    I think the concept behind the .xxx domain has the potential of leading the internet down a dangerous path. If the other TLD's are forced by their governing entity, e.g. the US government for the .com TLD, to prohibit pornographic content, the precedent will be set to segregate and regulate content.
  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:32PM (#32709400)

    Because the ICANN board is chosen by domain registrars who stand the most to gain by introduction of a new TLD.

  • i'm not talking about the religious nuts, i understand their point of view: they think a .xxx domain makes porn legitimate. as if not having a .xxx domain means POOF, all porn disappears. porn is a part of society, and some can argue it actually serves a valid purpose (harmless release of sexual frustrations). get used to it, (hypocritical) social conservatives, you have a better chance fighting the rising and falling of the tides. its not going away, ever

    but i'm talking about the porn purveyors: why are they fighting this? it's not a ghettoization, its a domain. yes, it makes it easy to censor sexual content. and what's wrong with that? if i have some kids in my house, and i want to black hole all .xxx domains, i should be able to do that. if a nation wants to blackhole all .xxx domains at a national level meanwhile: ok, this nation is retarded. as if not having .xxx means they won't engage in idiotic censorship? you make it easier for them? do you see iran and china quaking in their boots because censorship is hard? get real: a committed censoring asshole is a committed censoring asshole, the issue of easy or hard to censor is an issue for people who want to block the domain for legitimate purposes (kids in the house), not an issue for those who will censor no matter what

    and finally, there's the red herring of sexual content that shouldn't be grouped with porn, like sexual health. well if its sexual health, like how to put on a condom, its sexual health, end of discussion. its not pornography. yes, some assholes will try to group sexual health issues with porn. the existence of such assholes does not mean sexual health issues deserve to be with porn, just that there exists assholes in this world with harmful ideas about sexual health that you need to fight, and the existence or lack of existence of an .xxx domain does not change their existence or the need to fight them. in fact, let them make fools of themselves by trying to group sexual health topics with porn, and reveal to the thinking rational world what ignorant assholes they really are, bring their idiocy to the forefront

    the REAL point is that pornography is not some GOTCHA that tries to sneak up on innocent teenagers and corrupt their souls, this is social conservative bullshit (and fails to understand human nature). clearly defining and delineating pornographic content simply underlines the most important point here: pornography is something that people choose to consume, and if some hypocritical social conservative asshole doesn't like that fact, or is ashamed of that fact, then don't click on an .xxx domain, end of story!

    because no one is trying to trick you into recognizing that you have sexual urges

    fly the new .xxx flag loud and proud. its simply a healthy recognition of the fact that we are sexual beings, and we are happy and comfortable making a space for this material on our internet. LACK OF recognition of the validity of porn is the REAL problem, lack of an .xxx domain is an act of misplaced shame, and that's the real motivation behind ignoring the issue, and denying porn its own domain

    giving porn its own domain is sex positive, and good for society. really. every rational, self-aware human should celebrate this

  • by RobinEggs ( 1453925 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:39PM (#32709452)

    Lawley says he expects to make $30m (£20m) a year in revenue by selling each .xxx site for $60, and pledges to donate $10 from each sale to child protection initiatives.

    If he actually gives $6 million per year to child protection causes the universe will implode out of shock and amazement.

    Also on children, are they supposing children will never stumble into a .xxx domain (or that .xxx can be blocked altogether), so now they're safe from porn? Because I'm sure that .xxx porn sites will never use pop-up loops or deceptive ads or auto-dialing trojans the way many .com porn sites have done forever. The new .xxx porn industry will be squeaky clean, with our children's welfare at heart!

    Not to mention the whole thing won't have any damn effect unless you simultaneously force current .com, .net, and .org porn sites to re-register in .xxx and drop their old domains, which will not happen.

    Furthermore, for the whole notion of giving adults an easy, consolidated place to access porn, let me give ICANN a big hint: whether it's porn, cracks, bomb making instructions, or whatever, the most obvious place to look for anything even vaguely taboo is always the one most flooded with scams, viruses, top lists, etc. which make the obvious places by far the most worthless places to look. I predict that absolutely all worthwhile porn will remain on .com sites for quite some time, and that .com sites will simply register the same domain registered under .xxx and redirect people back into the .com site.

  • by Aboroth ( 1841308 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:43PM (#32709490)
    Here are some points in reply:

    -It is stupid to expect all porn to go to ".xxx".
    -Therefore it doesn't make it easier to filter porn, it means your filters have to have one extra line for "block *.xxx". Technically, it is a little more work to block porn now than it was before.
    -Who defines porn, anyway? What is it, exactly?
    -The only reason it exists is to print money, and everyone is jealous that they can't do that
  • by Ziekheid ( 1427027 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:44PM (#32709498)

    "Each domain registration will cost $60 a year, with $10 going to a nonprofit organization promoting “responsible business practices” for the industry." Beside this being overly expensive for a domain name the fact that they donate $10 per domain to a nonprofit organisation is just wrong. Who are they to decide for us that this should be done? Aren't they supposed to be some sort of objective organisation when it comes to this?

  • Re:Wtf is xxx? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Knoeki ( 1149769 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:56PM (#32709592) Homepage
    I'd say it's more likely that has to do with the fact that they're people on the internet.
  • by mustafap ( 452510 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:56PM (#32709594) Homepage

    I agree. After all, these guys will be setting the Evil Bit, so it will be easier to filter them out!

  • To be fair... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by arielCo ( 995647 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:56PM (#32709598)

    Pornography/erotica is a genre. So are Action, Romance, Documentary, etc. Is there a similar push to create the likes of .action, .docu, and .love ?

    And of course, the argument that certain content is especially sensitive hasn't been wielded to lobby for creating .hate, .religion or .violence

  • by Artifakt ( 700173 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:57PM (#32709612)

    There will be real effects. Consider - in the US we have had recent obscenity convictions against some porn producers seen as turning out content especially degrading to women (slapping, punching, spitting in faces, and faux rape.). We haven't had anything in well over a decade focused on non-violent porn, targeting gay porn selectively has apparently died out even in the south, and even such things as bondage and fisting videos get a pass, (but many of them are careful to have spoken discliamers from the submissives involved and various "no sluts were harmed in the making of this video" claims included to protect themselves). Scat probably would draw legal action, but the mainstream producers haven't tried that. The industry has been vocally extremely divided over violence for the last few years.
          I'd just about bet real money that some porn producers will use .xxx to prove they are being responsible corporations and trying to keep their material out of the hands of minors, because that would be another way to protect themselves from prosecution, and they seem to be willing to go to some trouble over creating an image that they are not one of 'those' porn businesses, but rather one of the 'other' ones. Some will see it as a financial hit to move content exclusively to .xxx domains, but others will see it as another way to avoid being the rare porn producer singled out.
          The bigest force actually working against this is the evangelical right, which usually sees no difference between a Girls Gone Wild video and Underaged Wet Mule Sodomizers part 83. If they focused their complaints on the companies that produce the kinkiest stuff, they'd get a lot more results from various justice departments, but then they would have to admit that some porn producers really do care if all the 'models' are over 18, really do show safe sex practices, or avoid violent sex, so don't hold your breath.

  • by ericlondaits ( 32714 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @12:59PM (#32709624) Homepage

    DNS is just a big extortion racket... I can imagine that Google will make sure to register google.xxx, gmail.xxx, youtube.xxx, etc. just like Facebook and any other big site. Celebrities are probably being advised to register their names (e.g. sandrabullock.xxx). It's the same as with the .net and .org domains defensive registering but much worse.

    Ironically, big porn sites will probably want to keep their .com domain around anyway. I can't imagine Vivid leaving vivid.com to someone else, to name one.

  • Re:Terrible idea (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Daniel Dvorkin ( 106857 ) * on Sunday June 27, 2010 @01:04PM (#32709658) Homepage Journal

    I have to admit to mixed feelings about this. There's an obvious danger of censorship, and I don't want to see anything on the internet, porn or anything else, pushed into a walled garden. But I'm old enough to remember when .org and .net actually meant something, and I'd actually like to see much stricter standards applied to who can register for those. The precedent is already set; it just hasn't been followed for years. It's a dilemma.

  • Re:Wtf is xxx? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, 2010 @01:37PM (#32709852)

    I think it's great that there will be a whole section of the internet dedicated to plus size clothing.

  • by Aboroth ( 1841308 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @01:52PM (#32709928)
    How does having a .xxx domain suffix make it easier to find the site? .xxx doesn't give the site special powers. Does having .org as the domain suffix make it easier for a charity to be found? Does .edu make it easier for a school to be found? Obviously, no. Either way you have to know the whole domain name, not just the suffix, and type it in your address bar or have it indexed by a search engine or something else.
    I'm just not buying that there is any economic incentive to the porn industry for having this.
  • is it easier for you if the supermarket scattered the cereal boxes all over the store?

    or if they had one aisle labelled "cereal"?

    it's a rather simple point that most people easily grasp: better categorization has all sorts of benefits for all sorts of reasons

  • Re:Yet another TLD (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Aboroth ( 1841308 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @02:20PM (#32710098)
    Nobody is going to type in a random character string and add .xxx to try to find porn. The idea that ".xxx" will make it easier to find porn is a fallacy. It will still need to be indexed and linked to just like current sites.
  • by _Sprocket_ ( 42527 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @02:27PM (#32710150)

    Why should pornographers want to hide themselves? Really.

    They should want to make it as easy as possible for their customers to find them and there non-customers to avoid them.

    Because there is a portion of non-customers who also want all their customers to be unable to find them as well.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, 2010 @02:36PM (#32710190)
    You make it sound like they're breaking into your house, stealing your piggy bank, and sending it to UNICEF.

    That's exactly what they are doing. Obviously, their price is 50 bucks, a very round and "favorite" figure. The extra 10 bucks is imposed on everyone interested in buying a triple X domain. Donation is indeed forced. Should you disagree with the donation or anything about the beneficiary of the donation, you cannot opt out, you don't have a choice. That's not a donation, that's tax.

    Instead of spending so much money on "child protection" (it ain't), maybe they should spend more on psychological research and treatment of why sex is so damn scary to some people, especially in certain countries, then educating people that sex is no big deal. There are countries where sex is not treated like a big deal, and I don't think they have legions of children turned adults scarred for life.

    Maybe they should force the religious nuts to explain in a PLAUSIBLE way why pornography is wrong. Which they can't! They just keep repeating "it's bad, it's wrong, it's immoral," they never come around to specifying WHY. They can't, they just pulled that notion out of their ass.

    Not being American, I often have fits of laughter when I see Americans using the words "safe" and "unsafe." Like what, the content is going to leap out of the screen and maul you? Or the person (child or not) is going to turn crazy and deranged right there on the spot because of some fucking image, like looking at Gomorra and turning into a lump of salt? Also laughable is the use of the word "adult." Give me a fucking break, I still enjoy porn occasionally, but I certainly was a LOT more interested in porn (and drugs, for that matter) when I was 13 years old and fapping every day. Children are CURIOUS. Once you learn all about something, a lot of the appeal just goes away. Maybe not all of it, but a lot of it does. I am actually saying that sex is just as interesting to children as it is to adults (since we never quite exhaust the subject in our lifetime). That whole "child protection" bullshit could only come from the country where a kindergarten kid can be SUED for pecking a classmate on the cheek (Google it yourself). A country that is terrified of sex, but is not afraid of building a pile of nukes and invading countries left or right to say "Fuck, Yeah!" A country that idolizes violence, otherness and contempt to the most obscene levels.

    What children need is less mystery surrounding sex, and perhaps a little more supervision often times. Not hiding it. Hiding is stupid. History has proven that many times, you should only hide from people stuff that you really want to encourage.

  • by Tei ( 520358 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @02:38PM (#32710206) Journal

    The porn sites don't want it, the anti-porn sites don't want it. Is not usefull for the purpose of a root domain. It will only serve to suck money from some sites that will register yet another domain and not use it.

    The ICANN is adding weigth on the idea to deprecate the ICANN.

  • Re:right (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Aboroth ( 1841308 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @03:05PM (#32710358)
    My mind hurts.

    But, yeah, pretty much, those designations don't mean much of anything, and pretty much things are already not organized without search engines and indexes. Now you are learning!

    With some exceptions, of course; for instance if a site has a .mil address, we know it is for the military. But the fact that it had a .mil address didn't make it easier to find. It is also a special case since normal civilians can't get a .mil address.

    As for .org, .net, .com, etc., anyone can register them and there is no regulation whatsoever on what kind of sites they can be. In the end there is no real difference between them. Now we are just going to be adding .xxx to the list. It doesn't end up mattering at all.

    Here's a serious question. Someone gets online, lotion in hand, and wants to find some porn. Not just any porn, but porn that is right for them, and really gets their juices flowing. Other than guessing, which you don't need a .xxx domain for, how do they find it, without using a search engine or another site that links to it? How does .xxx on the site name help at all in finding the site?
  • by visualight ( 468005 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @03:42PM (#32710486) Homepage

    Only I can decide what is porn and what is not porn.

  • Re:To be fair... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RobinEggs ( 1453925 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @04:07PM (#32710620)

    Actually, I think it'd be a lot more useful to create a .kids domain and give people the walled garden they want. Heck, I wouldn't be opposed to having a .christ domain either, that way I can filter it out through my firewall and never have to worry about accidentally stumbling upon it!

    I'm not authoritative here, but I don't think walled gardens have done society much good where they've been tried. They certainly don't look very successful in China, North Korea, Utah, or anywhere else they've been seriously attempted.

    I couldn't tell, really, if you approved of the whole idea, were joking about your Jesus-free garden, or anything, but I thought it was worth making a serious reply in any case. Shutting yourself off rarely helps.

  • Re:Wtf is xxx? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Z34107 ( 925136 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @04:45PM (#32710818)

    Which kind of makes them the perfect sample for evaluating a TLD.

  • by Jarik C-Bol ( 894741 ) on Sunday June 27, 2010 @10:10PM (#32712740)
    You *always* need a tinfoil hat and crowbar. and sometimes your towel. these should be standard issue.

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