Can Drones Really Get National Airspace Access? 107
coondoggie writes "There is a push by a variety of proponents to give unmanned aircraft more free rein in US airspace, but safety is a major hitch in that effort. The Federal Aviation Administration said this week that data from the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency, which flies unmanned systems on border patrols, shows a total of 5,688 flight hours from Fiscal Year 2006 to July 13, 2010. The CBP accident rate is 52.7 accidents per 100,000 flight hours. This accident rate is more than seven times the general aviation accident rate (7.11 accidents/100,000 flight hours) and 353 times the commercial aviation accident rate (0.149 accidents/100,000 flight hours)."
An FAA executive noted that an "accident" refers to a situation in which "the aircraft has done something unplanned or unexpected and violates an airspace regulation."
Working on FAA certification (Score:5, Interesting)
I talked about some of the reasons behind the push for a desire to fly in commercial airspace after my visit to Creech AFB a couple of years ago. Also some discussion on why there might be a higher accident rate in the drones (pilots want haptic feedback, and they do not have it with current platforms). [utah.edu]
Here's a prediction (Score:5, Interesting)
In ten years, most of the unmanned aircraft in domestic airspace will not be from the military, but from private enterprise which (by definition) doesn't have an allegiance to any nation or state. As is the case in most situations (I believe) there's a bigger threat to our security, our privacy, our way of life and our freedom from transnational corporations than from "big government".
Restrictions (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Uh, yeah (Score:1, Interesting)
wait, what? The air force cooperates with FAA regulations because they like to use national air space, why would the CBP be any different?
UAVs are not ready for unrestricted use (Score:5, Interesting)
I am a military Helicopter pilot and I have literally come back with a UAV sticking out of the side of my aircraft after a mid-air with a small drone. There are lots of growing pains with these things, and they are no where ready for integration in the national airspace system. A growing conflict with military use of UAVs is that they are often being operated by non-pilots(cheaper to train). In many cases the smallest drones are operated by infantrymen who throw these things into the air and rely on big sky theory to separate them from the aircraft providing Close Air Support. Non-pilots typically have less diversity of experience and a lot less air-sense when it comes to situational awareness.
The most likely user of this technology is Law Enforcement. The last thing civil aviation needs is some jack-hole beat cop throwing these things into the air to look for a guy on a stolen bicycle and have a mid-air with an airliner on approach because he dose not understand what is going on above him, or have any responsibility for his actions because his personal safety is not directly tied to the operation of his aircraft. They cant be trusted to use tazers, why the heck would we give them UAVs?
Re:I'm impressed, they are worse than GA (Score:5, Interesting)
Thank you for pointing this stuff out.
People tend to look at broad statistics and believe that's them. Realistically, there are many things that good pilots do to considerably improve their safety statistics. Because of the differences in equipment and a single engine, its simply not reasonable to believe a SE plane can ever be as statistically safe as a commercial, multi-engine plane. But, it is reasonable and very likely for good pilots in well maintained aircraft to fly statistically safer than those driving in vehicles on the ground.
Contrary to popular belief, flying in a small plane is not a death sentence.
Most of the things that kill people in small planes are really, really, stupid behaviors which, for whatever reason, some pilots decide doesn't apply to them. For whatever reason, some pilots really do believe they are immune to the reality of physics and can't run out of gas...or believe their wings can stay on inside a hurricane...or believe they can recovery from a spin despite the manufacturer clearly stating it can't be done safely and reproducibly...so on and so on. Idiots like these lowest the safety statistics. But if you're not with a pilot who does dumb stuff like that, in a well maintained plane, your odds of remaining safe are dramatically improved.
Another killer are twin engine pilots who believe they are inherently safer because they have a second engine. Statistically these guys kill far more people than SE planes. Statistically, if a twin engine pilot has fewer than 100 hours annually, they are more dangerous than low proficiency, low hour SE pilots. The reality is, single engine failure in a piston twin is a bitch for most experienced pilots. For those less experienced and proficient, its usually lethal. So don't even let a twin pilot tell you they are inherently safe because they are full of shit if they do. In fact, that's likely reason to be very wary.
And contrary to popular belief, flying can be fairly affordable. The average non-commercial, private pilot makes less than $40K a year. The average plane owner makes less than $80K a year. And even with a headwind, a typical small, SE plane is still faster than ground transportation - and a hell of a lot more fun!
Not just haptics (Re:Working on FAA certification) (Score:2, Interesting)
The fact that these are merely regulations violations is no excuse; when violations are high, the chances of real accidents is raised - this is being underscored as we learn more about the corporate culture of BP and also Massey Mining.
Re:UAVs are not ready for unrestricted use (Score:1, Interesting)
There are several versions of UAV's - the "throw to launch" version is essentially an enhanced remote controlled airplane in terms of operating environment. Ban them within 10 miles of airports and call it a day. More problematic are the predator sized drones that actually fly high enough and are large enough to worry about collisions that could actually damage other things. I guess the some fundamental questions are what is the tasking - is this to replace/augment police helicopters or is this to be an overhead motorcycle cop analog? Very different rules of operation/hazards with each tasking.
Re:Uh, yeah (Score:1, Interesting)
Yeah, I'm only 100% against this. But it will probably happen. If only my opinions were more effective at influencing tangible objects and events...
Can anyone decipher what Kepesk said? It makes no sense to me.
Re:Uh, yeah (Score:3, Interesting)
Really? They aren't, but the Air Force is?
No, they are, just like everyone else flying over US controlled airspace, they just don't play by the same rules as general aviation, which is why they have different licensing.
You should probably check your FARs.
They also have a higher violation rate because everything they do is on video and recorded by several people who won't loose their job because they strayed more than 500 feet off their flight plan, which, for the record, qualifies as an 'accident' to the FAA. They report the 'accident'.
When Bob and Tom flying their 747 for Delta deviate by a 1,000 feet, no one reports it because that little down draft if reported will ruin a guys career, but that is an accident to the FAA.
Definition of accident (Score:2, Interesting)
An FAA executive noted that an "accident" refers to a situation in which "the aircraft has done something unplanned or unexpected and violates an airspace regulation."
So, deviating from the flight plan is considered an accident?
If the drone operator changes the course in a way that is not inline with the plan, that's considered an accident?
Re:UAVs are not ready for unrestricted use (Score:3, Interesting)
Being a civilian pilot myself and also a Navy vet oh boy do I feel your pain. lol!
Even with the larger predator type drones, even those who are good pilots flying them from the ground have (through no fault of their own ) poor situational awareness as far as the actual flying goes. When you sit in the glass bubble your peripheral vision is in full swing, you can scan the sky and the instruments. Flying a drone must be a lot like flying something like MS Flight Simulator, yes you can get different views from different "cameras" or in the case of a drone, actual cameras but those fall far behind the Mark 1 Mod 0 eyeball for getting the bigger picture.
Re:Definition of accident (Score:2, Interesting)
It can be, if the operator violates airspace or if the airplane reacts differently than what was planned.