Wine 1.2 Released 427
David Gerard writes "Stuck with that one Windows app you can't get rid of? Rejoice — Wine 1.2 is officially released! Apart from running pretty much any Windows application on Unix better than 1.0 (from 2008), major new features include 64-bit support, bi-directional text, and translation into thirty languages. And, of course, DirectX 9 is well-supported and DirectX 10 is getting better. Packages should hit the distros over the weekend, or you can get the source now."
Re:Every windows application (Score:3, Informative)
Well, that and copious amounts of prayer.
Re:Hmmmm. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Every windows application (Score:4, Informative)
buy crossover. That is why they sell it.
Re:Games? (Score:2, Informative)
Heck, even ~80% of the steam games I've tried have worked without any tweaking needed.
Re:Every windows application (Score:3, Informative)
That is exactly why Codeweavers [codeweavers.com] makes money. And it is not even that expensive ...
Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (Score:3, Informative)
Google ies4linux...
It's a bundle of wine designed specifically to run various versions of ie.
That said, can't you move to another bank? all the banks i've used here work fine with both safari and firefox (havent tried accessing them from anything else).
Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (Score:3, Informative)
Obvious solution: Virtual box under linux will let you run whatever windows you want. Its graphic drivers are not good enough for most new 3D games (yet), but it certainly will let you do online banking...
Re:Any success stories with Wine (Score:4, Informative)
AFAIK Wine and Cedega are still ahead of virtual machines in terms of graphics drivers and gaming. Wine is far from dead.
Re:StarCraft (Score:5, Informative)
I saw recently that a fix went in to make shadows work correctly in SC2. I guess that probably means it works ok.
Re:So um... (Score:3, Informative)
Wine doesn't do .NET at all, AFAIK
Play On Linux (Re:Every windows application) (Score:2, Informative)
Just the other day i discovered Play On Linux [playonlinux.com] which fits this need.
While games are a primary feature it includes support for many of the common apps as well.
In addition to apps with built in support you can find scripts in their forum for recent versions of Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and the like
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Re:StarCraft (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Hmmmm. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Are IE 7 or 8 useable? (Score:2, Informative)
Google ies4linux... It's a bundle of wine designed specifically to run various versions of ie. That said, can't you move to another bank? all the banks i've used here work fine with both safari and firefox (havent tried accessing them from anything else).
Don't do this, the correct way to run IE these days is to get winetricks and run it, then tick the box for either ie6 or ie7, and then run it with "wine iexplore"
Re:Every windows application (Score:2, Informative)
With all due respect, Crossover sucks when it comes to usability. Managing Windows/Linux shortcuts seems to be a joke, at best. The documentation on cxmenu is, to put it nicely, utterly confusing. cxsetup really sucks when it comes to doing all sorts of the regular things you'd expect to be able to do--as much as I like bottles, most the time one is left fiddling on the command-line to actually setup bottles in some sensible fashion because crossover seems heavily designed with the mentality that having separate bottles as a default is some sort of unusual thing.
Then there's the cxinstallwizard, which is geared to Crossover supported programs. If you use one of those apps, then great, Crossover might be for you. If you're like me, and you run all sorts of unsupported programs which means you're left to your own devices, for the most part (yes, technically you can use the cxinstallwizard, but it's generally faster and easier to run an installer from the command-line).
I'm not trying to be all down about Crossover, really. It's just that I'd say Crossover is geared more towards people who want to pay to be guaranteed a fixed set of programs will work. Usability as a general point is rather lacking, primarily in how well Crossover features interact (have fun fiddling around with the whole menus thing so your bottles don't get intermingled in bad ways) and how rather blah things are even when they do work compared to a general expectation of how well they should work (random long pauses in the UI when opening dialogs because seemingly near everything relies upon spawning separate crossover win32 apps to gather data).
Really, a bit better documentation and a generic Crossover terminal for executing Crosover apps in different bottles would probably be more usable. :/
Re:Never Works Properly (Score:1, Informative)
So people don't have a right to complain when they're presented with the pat answer "So just use wine" when that doesn't work? I've lost count of the number of times I've told a hardcore linux geek that I still keep a windows box for some software and the response has been "so just use [thing that frequently doesn't work and has high overhead]" with the connotation that they've just solved all my problems.
My problem with wine is not wine itself, but that it's seen as an escape clause by annoying people.
Re:Any success stories with Wine (Score:3, Informative)
One valuable aspect of Wine, particular the major releases like 1.2, is that it provides an API that developers can target to easily create Linux versions of their Windows programs. As nice as it would be if developers would make a fully native port of their application for Linux, it's often more practical to get something that works passably by tweaking an existing program to work with Wine. Sometimes these can even be compiled against Winelib [winehq.org] to create an ELF binary.
Oh just get Windows 7 (Score:3, Informative)
Seriously, I get a little tired of the "Ahhh MS has left XP behind!" types. Ok, I will give some credit initially. When Vista launched it required a heavy amount of resources for the day, and many people felt it was a poor OS (I disagree with most of their claims, but regardless). Fine, however now 7 is out. It has received large amount of acclaim as a good OS, is less resource intensive at the low end, and driver support is quite good. It is a very worthwhile upgrade, if you want to support new systems.
Also, XP is being discontinued. Support runs out in 2014. While that isn't critically close, it means it is time to look at beginning to retire XP systems so by the time 2014 gets here, it is a non-issue.
So, if you want to run DX 10 or 11 software, get 7. It is a good OS, and you've no real excuse. If your system has hardware powerful enough to run those apps at usable speed, it is powerful enough to run 7 no problem.
You cannot expect support and new features in old software forever, unless you pay a hefty maintenance fee (and even then you don't always ge tnew features). XP is nearly 10 years old. time to put it to rest on new systems and use 7.
Re:So um... (Score:3, Informative)
I'd be much obliged if you could point out a source for that.
Everything I can find on the subject indicates that you can use Mono, or you can use Wine to install MS .NET. I see nothing about Wine having it's own implementation, and it would seem to be rather redundant.
Re:No people complain when you over claim (Score:3, Informative)
The best place to check is the WineHQ application compatibility database.
The WineHQ compatibility database is nearly fucking useless because it continually reports apps as working flawlessly when they don't even install. This is probably because wine is a moving target and they occasionally break something that has been working because Windows is such a minefield. Still, probably 90% of the games I've tried on Wine that said they worked great don't work at all. Wine is cool if you want to run Photoshop or something, but I have had to keep a Windows installation and a virtual machine around to cover the many many cases where it's totally useless.
Re:Every windows application (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Replacement to DOSBox? (Score:3, Informative)
Honestly, what the hell is the point of Xubuntu?
The words of a man who walks in with a predetermined opinion and never tries the actual product. Speed is a bullet point, but not a reason in itself to switch. Yes, there are a *number* of reasons to at least try out XFCE.
I just switched to XFCE recently on my netbook after being a Gnome user for 3-4 years. There are definitely reasons enough for it to exist and those reasons will amplify when Gnome 3.0 hits.
It is amazing how many gconf options for gnome are broken nowadays. Can't turn off the desktop because nautilus will be forever restarted to the detriment of your CPU. You set sloppy focus and to only raise the windows when you click, then windows will never come forward even when you click them in the gnome panel. You remove the notification area, and that bug means that you have no access at all to some windows when they are minimized. It's a buggy mess.
Then there are the large number of forced dependencies. You use a vanilla install of gnome, and you have Epiphany/Evolution forced on you. Evolution being the more annoying one. You can't remove them either because they are part of the Gnome base dependencies.
There are enough differences to make the existance of XFCE worth it. That is probably why it still has developers.
Re:search sucks in win7 (Score:3, Informative)
Except of course if you check the radio button under:
Windows Explorer -> Organize -> Folder and search options -> Search -> Always search file names and contents.
Why this is not default is probably because MS thought people won't want to search inside files for non-indexed directories.
After you choose that, searching for something searches files and contents. Searching for name:somefilename will search for "somefilename" in filenames.
Also check this [microsoft.com] out for some more advanced search syntax.