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Wine 1.2 Released 427

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David Gerard writes "Stuck with that one Windows app you can't get rid of? Rejoice — Wine 1.2 is officially released! Apart from running pretty much any Windows application on Unix better than 1.0 (from 2008), major new features include 64-bit support, bi-directional text, and translation into thirty languages. And, of course, DirectX 9 is well-supported and DirectX 10 is getting better. Packages should hit the distros over the weekend, or you can get the source now."
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Wine 1.2 Released

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  • Hmmmm. (Score:5, Funny)

    by click2005 (921437) * on Friday July 16, 2010 @05:37PM (#32932546)

    DirectX 10 is getting better.

    I wish someone would port Wine to WindowsXP.

    • Re:Hmmmm. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Batty0ne (1809606) on Friday July 16, 2010 @05:51PM (#32932710)
      It's happening. You can actually somewhat use wine on windows. http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOnWindows [winehq.org]
    • by Sycraft-fu (314770)

      Seriously, I get a little tired of the "Ahhh MS has left XP behind!" types. Ok, I will give some credit initially. When Vista launched it required a heavy amount of resources for the day, and many people felt it was a poor OS (I disagree with most of their claims, but regardless). Fine, however now 7 is out. It has received large amount of acclaim as a good OS, is less resource intensive at the low end, and driver support is quite good. It is a very worthwhile upgrade, if you want to support new systems.

      Als

  • by foxtyke (766988) on Friday July 16, 2010 @05:43PM (#32932624)

    Long ago when I first switched to Linux I made the decision that I would not run a dual boot environment and would instead use Wine to run my apps I NEEDED from Windows on my Linux machine.

    Fast forward six months from that switch, I removed the NEEDED applications because I found better ones (hello GnuCash) and haven't used a Windows application or required Wine since then, that was almost 3 or 4 years ago now when I fully switched my desktop to Linux.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16, 2010 @05:45PM (#32932648)

    Apart from running pretty much any Windows application

    Except the one you want to run requires about 5 hours of fucking around with Wine only to get about 70% of the functionality working and only 40% of the performance despite having being listed as GOLD PLATINUM UNOBTAINIUM in the wine-db. Hurray!

    • by icebraining (1313345) on Friday July 16, 2010 @06:04PM (#32932858) Homepage

      The summary doesn't say it runs "pretty much any Windows application", it says it runs "pretty much any Windows application better than Wine 1.0".

    • by Korin43 (881732) *

      I've never had problems with a program listed as "Platinum" on the newest version of wine. The problems I have are:

      1. A lot of distros ship old versions of wine.
      2. A lot of stuff is rated "bronze" (AKA: It might work if you're a wizard).

    • by Jorl17 (1716772) on Friday July 16, 2010 @06:39PM (#32933192)
      I've used Wine for a long time. I've modified its source-code several times to make my apps run and I'm usually around the winehq.org forums.
      I can say with a high degree of confidence that it runs most applications flawlessly. Of course, you need to remove many of the new .NET crap, which is ruining the industry for everyone. The only issues I found Wine to have were related to sound. Progressively, I fixed those and got the best out of my Wine installations. Heck, when I cross-compile, I always test my apps in Wine and verify that they are 1:1 with Windows. I constantly run different games in Wine and sometimes with better performance than my windows peers.

      Occasionally, you'll have to bring out the nerd in you and do some hacking to get games to work. For instance, it was a long process for me to get Red Alert 3 to work online and via LAN. The forums helped me a lot. It was also difficult to get Age Of Empires III to run, but I did it.

      I am only sorry that so many people end up bashing Wine. If they'd waste part of that time in contributing to the community, submitting patches, helping out in forums and irc, or simply stopping complaining, I think we'd be better.
      • by David Gerard (12369) <slashdot@@@davidgerard...co...uk> on Friday July 16, 2010 @07:01PM (#32933430) Homepage

        "I am only sorry that so many people end up bashing Wine."

        It's because no-one complains worse than the people getting something for free.

        • by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Saturday July 17, 2010 @01:27AM (#32935160)

          Wine, and in particular Wine fanboys, sell it as a sure fire way to run Windows apps on Linux. They happily point to success stories and say "See you can ditch Windows, just run your stuff in Wine! Look how well Office runs!" People then try it and discover three things:

          1) It is complex as all get out. You don't just go and start Wine and run a Windows installer to put your application on. No, it is way fucking complex in many cases. Even people familiar with virtualization are amazed at how complex it gets.

          2) It works poorly in many cases. A "working" app in Wine speak seems to mean "runs". It may have massive glitches. Most people take working to mean "Works fully with some minor glitches." Even so of the top apps have some rather noticeable glitches.

          3) Plenty of stuff doesn't work at all, and there's no readily apparent reason. It just fails.

          For example I was trying to move to a Linux desktop at work, to learn more about Linux and its working in our setup. However, being work, I had to be able to get everything done. So I tried Linux AV software and it was crap, couldn't do what I needed to do. I went and asked our Linux head if he'd be willing to help see if Wine could run Sony Vegas. He said sure. After 3 days of fairly intense work and research, he said no, he could find no way to make it run. He was pretty good too, he didn't blow this off he really tried.

          So that's why people get mad. Wine shouldn't be marketed as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine is more of an experimental program that can help some Windows software run sometimes. If you want to get your hands dirty and mess around with some complex stuff, maybe it can make things happen. However it is not a friendly compatibility layer that you install and suddenly Windows apps can be run just like on Windows with ease.

          People get mad because it is oversold, and because it is something they want. They hear "Windows on Linux," and get all excited. They can use Linux now and not have to sacrifice their computer experience. Then they try it and find no, they can't actually and get real angry.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by Kjella (173770)

            For example I was trying to move to a Linux desktop at work, to learn more about Linux and its working in our setup. However, being work, I had to be able to get everything done. So I tried Linux AV software and it was crap, couldn't do what I needed to do. I went and asked our Linux head if he'd be willing to help see if Wine could run Sony Vegas. He said sure. After 3 days of fairly intense work and research, he said no, he could find no way to make it run. He was pretty good too, he didn't blow this off he really tried.

            The best place to check is the WineHQ application compatibility database. It'd have told your sysadmin in much less than three days that people have gotten it to run [winehq.org] but "Installing this was a mission though." and the best anyone's been able to give it a silver rating. The last test report is from almost a year ago though, it'd be very nice if your sysadmin took five minutes to write up a test report to tell others what he found. Anything less than a gold rating should not be used in a production environmen

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by drinkypoo (153816)

              The best place to check is the WineHQ application compatibility database.

              The WineHQ compatibility database is nearly fucking useless because it continually reports apps as working flawlessly when they don't even install. This is probably because wine is a moving target and they occasionally break something that has been working because Windows is such a minefield. Still, probably 90% of the games I've tried on Wine that said they worked great don't work at all. Wine is cool if you want to run Photoshop or something, but I have had to keep a Windows installation and a virtual mac

          • by Draek (916851) on Saturday July 17, 2010 @11:18AM (#32936954)

            Really? in my experience nearly all mentions of Wine are along the lines of "hey, it's fairly hit-or-miss but perhaps Wine can help you, give it a try" rather than "use Wine, it can run every Windows app flawlessly!". Hell, even Wine's own website [winehq.org] states that it doesn't run everything so where you got the hype from I have no idea.

            And in Wine's favor, my experience with them have been that nearly all apps either work out-of-the-box or don't at all. The ones that work-but-require-a-day-of-editing-config-files are more of a rarity that can be safely ignored by normal people since that issue will most likely be fixed by next version anyways. And if you absolutely *need* some specific app right here right now, well, you should've used VirtualBox to begin with.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by syousef (465911)

          "I am only sorry that so many people end up bashing Wine."

          It's because no-one complains worse than the people getting something for free.

          My time is not free. So it's not free if I waste my time trying to get it to work after being told that it runs almost flawlessly only to find that it's going to take a significant investment of time and require me to become an expert hacker on the project. You see giving something away for free doesn't entitle a developer to be rude, arrogant, condescending abusive or a liar. I've seen all of these behaviours from developers giving something away for "free".

        • by ProzacPatient (915544) on Saturday July 17, 2010 @02:59AM (#32935374)
          I'd prefer to bash Wine because you get a better idea of whats going on when you run it from the terminal.

          *ducks*
      • by RAMMS+EIN (578166)

        While I find Wine really impressive and congratulate all the contributors on what has been achieved, one of the persistent problems with Wine is how unpredictable it is. An applications might work flawlessly on one system and be unusable on another. My impression is that this has improved a lot since Wine 1.0 and the policy that newer Wine releases shall not break applications that were working before, and I count that as one of the most significant improvements ever to have been made. Still, if you take a

  • I've played around with wine for IE, but not had much luck, and my bank is IE only :(. Back to Windows...
    • by MrEricSir (398214) on Friday July 16, 2010 @05:59PM (#32932822) Homepage

      IE 7 and 8 are not usable, but that has nothing to do with Wine.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      my bank is IE only

      Then it might be time to change banks.
      I know I would if my bank forced me to use IE.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Bert64 (520050)

      Google ies4linux...
      It's a bundle of wine designed specifically to run various versions of ie.
      That said, can't you move to another bank? all the banks i've used here work fine with both safari and firefox (havent tried accessing them from anything else).

      • Ies4Linux is largely unmaintained and obsolete and will break your wineprefix. Install ie6 or ie7 using winetricks. (Preferably each to their own wineprefix.)

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by YokoZar (1232202)

        Google ies4linux... It's a bundle of wine designed specifically to run various versions of ie. That said, can't you move to another bank? all the banks i've used here work fine with both safari and firefox (havent tried accessing them from anything else).

        Don't do this, the correct way to run IE these days is to get winetricks and run it, then tick the box for either ie6 or ie7, and then run it with "wine iexplore"

    • by knewter (62953)

      Is your bank really IE only? Browser spoofing with an extension doesn't work?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Dunbal (464142) *

      Obvious solution: Virtual box under linux will let you run whatever windows you want. Its graphic drivers are not good enough for most new 3D games (yet), but it certainly will let you do online banking...

    • I have success with this [wine-reviews.net] method but YMMV. Or else run windows in a VM? If you only need it to run IE, you should have no worries whatsoever.
    • by h4rr4r (612664)

      Change banks.
      This means you can't even see that stuff on your smartphone.

    • IE 7 installs in Winetricks but doesn't work too well as an app.

      If they really don't support a current Firefox, it's time to find a new bank and tell them why.

  • I can play Solitare on linux!
    Oh, wait....

  • The only thing I use wine for is to play StarCraft, which it does really well. I don't know how good Wine 1.2 is, but call me when it supports StarCraft II.
  • Does Wine have higher compatibility with "mono" apps than mono? By "mono" I mean C#/.net application developed on Windows.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Randle_Revar (229304)

      Wine doesn't do .NET at all, AFAIK

      • by Shados (741919)

        I haven't used Wine in years, but according to the wine listing, at least some versions of .NET are fully working.

        That being said, while overall the "Microsoft" implementation is more complete (obviously...), the Mono version has many APIs and goodies missing from the "official" version (such as a vastly superior I/O library). In the cases where these libraries can work on the standard version of .NET, it is not uncommon for .NET developers to use them. But not all do.

        The mono Reflection lib is another one.

      • It does .NET 2.0 somewhat, .NET 3.5 hardly at all and Mono. Mind you, Mono does .NET somewhat. I wouldn't expect too much of .NET in Wine, but it's worth a try.

  • 1.2 already? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Windwraith (932426) on Friday July 16, 2010 @06:24PM (#32933066)

    Wow, brings memories of the pre-1.0 phase. Do you remember when only the most basic apps would run in WINE and required a lot of tweaking? Nowadays I can run most apps but Game Maker (Like Hydorah, Spelunky, etc) based games. Even painting and music apps, or games like Touhou or other doujin arcade games work practically out of the box (mostly requiring directx 9 runtimes). I don't play much mainstream, but I have been satisfied with my indie/arcade gaming needs and WINE.
    This is only going to get better with time, and I am kind of happy about it. Years ago I had to use virtualbox or use my laptop to run simplistic apps reliably, and it's not the case anymore (in my use case at least, you know, generalizing, anecdotal evidence, your mileage may vary, etc)

    • Do you remember when only the most basic apps would run in WINE and required a lot of tweaking?

      Yep. I remember thinking it would never reach v 1.0, just approach it asymptotically until we were running Half Life 10 on v0.9.9999999.

  • I'm not even going to check the website. Pretty much everything worth running already works, except Quickbooks. That's the game killer for real desktop adoption. I completely understand why it's nearly impossible to make it happen, but It would sure be nice if Quickbooks completely worked.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Thing 1 (178996)
      Hmm, wasn't Quickbooks the one with the ugly DRM that infected the master boot record? Small wonder it's taking so long to port...
  • Steam (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Rydia (556444) on Friday July 16, 2010 @08:05PM (#32933896)

    Hopefully the wine project and Valve are working together on this and that linux version of steam pops up soon. I installed DAO via steam in linux the other day and there was an intermediate step about configuring wine (in the windows version of steam) that gives me some hope.

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