FCC Approves Changes To Cable Box Rules 439
GovTechGuy writes "The FCC issued an order Thursday that should make it much easier and cheaper for consumers to purchase and install third-party cable boxes made by manufacturers such as TiVo. The rules are aimed at spurring competition in the cable box market; currently consumers overwhelmingly choose to rent a box from their cable provider rather than buy their own. Lawmakers have complained the current cable box technology is outdated and doesn't allow consumers to leverage new sources of video content such as the Web or streaming services from providers such as Netflix. The new rules should result in a smarter, more advanced cable box in the near future."
Cool (Score:2, Insightful)
Where do I sign up?
Pick up a phone? (Score:3, Informative)
I had a cablecard installed in my Tivo Premiere within days of calling Verizon with no hassle at all.
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I had a cablecard installed in my Tivo Premiere within days of calling Verizon with no hassle at all.
You are very lucky. Many people have nothing but headaches trying to get cablecard to work.
Re:Pick up a phone? (Score:4, Interesting)
I had a cablecard installed in my Tivo Premiere within days of calling Verizon with no hassle at all.
I have the same setup as you and can tell you there is a hassle. The cablecard Verizon Fios installed on my Tivo Premiere has one way communication. That means if I want any of the On Demand services I have to also keep my regular Verizon cable box (and pay the monthly rental fee). On Demand is an important part of the service as there are a ton of free movies and free replays of network and cable TV shows. Not all of this content is matched by the services on the Tivo alone.
Take for example one of the premium channels (HBO). With the Verizon cable box I can watch any of the HBO movies or series on demand. I cannot do this with the Tivo. I would have to plan ahead and record everything my wife might want to watch. And I am no mind reader.
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I have the same setup as you and can tell you there is a hassle. The cablecard Verizon Fios installed on my Tivo Premiere has one way communication. That means if I want any of the On Demand services I have to also keep my regular Verizon cable box (and pay the monthly rental fee). On Demand is an important part of the service as there are a ton of free movies and free replays of network and cable TV shows. Not all of this content is matched by the services on the Tivo alone.
This has nothing to do with the cablecard. Cablecards are decryption devices, period. All current host devices are one-way communications devices. There have been a few stabs at changing that but so far nothing has clicked and there isn't a standard communications mechanism for doing so. The closest anyone got was Tru2way [wikipedia.org] but that didn't really pan out. Point being, the card is not the reason for this situation.
why do the few systems with rented moxi boxes do 2 (Score:2)
why do the few systems with rented moxi boxes do 2 way with VOD and SDV but when you buy a moxi and rent a cable card NO VOD and SDV needs the add on box?
rest assured (Score:2)
cable companies will fight tooth and nail against it, again.
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From the article:
"A trade group representing the cable industry also praised the FCC's action and pledged to work with TiVo and other retail cable box providers to create a new video device capable of seamlessly integrating content from multiple sources.
“We commend the Commission for its constructive approach in adopting sensible, targeted fixes to the current CableCARD rules that provide cable operators the necessary flexibility to continue improving the CableCARD experience for all of our customers,
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Right now, things are up in the air for them. They are scared that people are going to cancel cable and just go with downloaded content (Netflix, AppleTV, etc). They will probably open things up and let some other company develop the Set Top Box. Then when the feature set and business model stabilizes they will assert their monopolies and squeeze those companies out with their shoddy clones.
Re:rest assured (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, they should be scared that people are going to abandon their lucrative set-top box rental scam. I'm shelling out a lot of money per month just to have HD DVRs from Comcast. These are buggy, buggy pieces of Motorola crap that I just can't wait to get rid of.
The worst part is the abuse of their monopoly position. With 1080 lines of resolution at their disposal, they manage to squeeze five (5!) whole channel listings at a time onto the program guide screen. They reserve the bottom 20% of the guide for inane advertisements. They refuse to allow me to remove the shitty channels I will never watch from the lineup. They do not let me reorder the channels in a fashion that makes logical sense to me. There's a whole pile of annoyances that grate every time I touch the remote. We even have a list of activities we don't dare do, lest we send the cable box into some kind of tailspin while it's recording. And for this crap software, I pay them continually.
I always liked my ReplayTVs much better than any Tivo I ever used, but anything else has got to be a damn site better than these awful things.
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Amen, brother!
Way back when, I used to have a Scientific Atlanta box that would show me a 12 channel by 2 hour grid. When they forced me onto a Motorola box, I got a seven channel by 30 minute grid, plus shitty advertisements plastered over around 1/3 of the screen real estate. NOT cool.
Personally, I think that if a cable company is going to force ads upon you with their program guide, they should deduct a bit off your bill, since it's being subsidized. Or better yet, just don't show me damn ads on my pr
and... (Score:2, Insightful)
And Cable providers sue in 3...2...1
Cable and Internet providers have been ridiculously successful against the FCC for the past 15 years. It's like literally everything the FCC has tried to do has been shut down by the courts.
Root Cause Analysis Fail (Score:4, Insightful)
None of these address the "value add" (sorry, kinda puked in my mouth a little bit getting that out) that sells the consumer that they MUST GET CABLE BOX FROM CABLE COMPANY. First of all, consumers don't know they have a choice of getting a cable card, and how to get a device that supports one, and get one installed if they find the device. Secondly, consumers are told they can't get on-demand content if they don't use the cable company's device.
That's it guys. Prescheduled programming? Nobody runs into problems with this. Pricing/Billing transparency? No - this would be a problem if most consumers knew the option existed. Streamlined installation? See pricing/billing transparency. Ease requirements? No - just need to HAVE requirements.
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So true, and it also doesn't address the yokels at the local office or the incompetent third party installers, all of whom insist that the cable company's rental box is absolutely required. Consumers are so uninformed in this area that I think the companies should be obliged to inform them of their rights, so that optional costs and c
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That's easy enough to fix. All it takes is a prosecution for false advertising and Bjorn Stronginthearm's your uncle.
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The problem is that to receive the cable company's VOD you do need their cable box. Cable cards at the present are not built to do this. The reason being that a cable box is a two way device whereas cable cards are implemented as one way devices at least with Tivo boxes.
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You still have to rent a CableCard. My guess is they aren't cheap.
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TFA is useless; here's the actual order (Score:5, Informative)
TFA states a lot of PR from the FCC, the TiVo, and the cable industry on the effects the new rule will have on consumers, but nowhere describes what about the CableCARD rules is actually being changed, and doesn't cite the order to enable people to check for themselves. So I checked the FCC website, the order is here [fcc.gov].
Haven't had time to read it myself yet, but hopefully having it will enable people to read it and make comments on the actual content, rather than the fluff in TFA.
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Thanks, I downloaded it. Unfortunately, the document is 59 pages of legalese. If most of us don't even RTFA most of the time, we sure as heck aren't going to try to make sense this FCC or
para 26 seems to be the key (Score:3, Informative)
Re:TFA is useless; here's the actual order (Score:5, Informative)
Reading the PDF, the new rules seem to be:
1.Cable operators need to provide better access to switched digital video services (via improved tuning adapters, via an IP backchannel or via some other option)
2.They must provide greater information to consumers about the cost of a cable card. They must also offer consumers who dont lease a set top box a lower price than those who do lease a set top box. And there is something in there about making any set top box they lease also available for sale.
3.They must improve cable card installation including allowing self-install for any device where the manufacturer has provided installation instructions (i.e. anything where the cable company wont have to provide self-install technical support)
4.They must provide multi-stream cable cards by default unless a consumer specifically asks for a single stream card
5.There are changes to cable card certification designed to ensure cable card certification bodies cant hold up cable card equipment for anything other than valid technical reasons
6.There are some changes in the interface between set top boxes and other devices. The current requirement to provide a firewire port will go away and be replaced with a requirement that is physical-interface-neutral. It will also be expanded to require 2-way communication (such as being able to send the cable box remote control signals)
7.There is something there that says recievers will not be reqired to implement features designed to lock certain outputs on playback of certain content (something the MPAA was asking for to close the "analog hole" and prevent direct copying of certain kinds of PPV movie content)
There are also some other things that I dont understand.
The thing I want to see from the FCC is the elimination of any rules regarding analog cable programming and a new rule pushing cable companies to completly end analog cable programming (which frees up spectrum/bandwidth for more TV channels or higher broadband speeds)
Something regarding over-the-air channels that says cable companies can carry over-the-air channels (including ant digital channels, high-definition or otherwise) and that the over-the-air channel providers like ABC can not prevent the cable companies from carrying their content or charge "unreasonable" fees for doing so would be nice.
about number 2 canada has that (Score:2)
And there is something in there about making any set top box they lease also available for sale.
in canada you can buy the box and not pay the rent on it.
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That's what I'm looking for. I'd change providers to whoever lets me buy my equipment outright, instead of paying for it monthly.
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#1 tuning adapters take care of SDV however, the FCC is taking Tivo's idea into consideration regarding an alternative system that does away with tuning adapters (cisco adapters in particular have been a problem)
#2 being as cable providers are charging people ~ 40$ to pop a card in a slot and make a 5 minute call to pair/activate the card this is a good excuse for the FCC to headshot the cable providers.
#3 virtually all of the cable providers prohibit the installation of a new cable card except by the provi
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Thanks for the link. As a Linux/MythTV user, my biggest concern has always been that CableCard is an absolutely useless spec to me since they refuse to certify any devices the aren't completely locked down. Even the behemoth Microsoft has had a hell of a time getting them to open up and allow more CableCard devices for Windows. Linux is completely out of the question.
So I'm most interested in how (or even if) they changed any of the certification requirements in a way that would affect Linux users. The sect
Remove satellite waiver (Score:3)
The waiver for the satellite companies should be removed, so that you can buy third party DirecTV and DISH boxes too. (There could be third party DISH boxes, and would presumably have been new DirecTivos all along, without the waivers.)
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But TiVo doesn't want that.
They're just about to release a new DirecTivo and have cowed DISH in court. TiVo doesn't want third-party competition in satellite. But because the cable companies were doing non-infringing competitive DVR boxes, TiVo was the third-party, so it wanted this access.
A business just isn't a real business until you can see the hypocrisy crusting around its mouth.
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Proof that "Tivo doesn't want that"?
Tivo(*) could have had a DirecTivo *ALL ALONG* if it could make boxes on its own. Tivo(*) could have had their own box that worked with DISH. Heck, Tivo(*) could have had one box to rule them all, one box that was transferrable between satellite, cable, and OTA, and worked with all of them. (Yes, it might not be cost effective, but maybe it would be. There was the DirecTivo that did OTA HD but regular DirecTV..)
(*) or any third party box/device maker, for their own de
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Do I have to explain the difference in tense between "doesn't" and "didn't".
DirecTV and TiVo kissed and made up over a year ago.
Re:Remove satellite waiver (Score:4, Funny)
They're still building it, so nobody knows what it's like.
Though from the delays, I don't doubt it will have at least one major technical fuck-up that they'll gloss over but will piss me off every time I turn the machine on.
First things first (Score:2)
-Can suggest programs based on what I've watched. But it can't cache the channel line-up and programming info, so there's an incredibly irritating pause every time you click the remote.
-Can play video games from 1994, but it can't make the remote emit a sound so I can find it in the cushions. We've needed this feature for decades, but instead we get a gutted hole that used to be HDMI out o
Aren't television sets "cable-ready" ? (Score:2)
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on-demand content wouldn't be a problem if the cable companies and the electonics companies could agree on things.
The electronics companies like TiVO want on-demand content, pay-per-view, EPGs etc delivered in standard meta-data forms that the boxes can just parse and display in their own UIs.
Cable companies want on-demand content, pay-per-view, EPGs etc delivered via application programs that get run on the set-top-box. This allows the cable companies to control the UI (they want to be sure cable company c
Barrier not technological. (Score:5, Insightful)
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This used to be the case. Now some networks are going digital, so the built-in tuners in even modern TVs do not work.
Case in point, Verizon FIOS used to work without a box. Now you need one.
The QAM tuner only gets the basic network broadcasts.
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some system had analog cable scrambled all channes (Score:2)
some system had analog cable scrambled for all channels.
I'd run one in a heartbeat (Score:3, Interesting)
I would run one in a heartbeat - especially since I now live in a city where Comcast has deployed Motorola rather than Scientific Atlanta. (on Scientific Atlanta the ESATA ports are enabled, and on Motorola they are disabled). I like having the ability to keep an entire season of certain shows on the PVR/DVR to re-watch at my leisure.
However, there is a problem; most CableCard-capable PVRs available on the market, at least last time I looked into them, did not support OpenCable Host Device services, so watching On Demand content isn't (or wasn't) possible. Also, aside from client apps on a PC or Mac, management of viewing, recording, and deleting content on a Tivo requires about 3x as many clicks as does the cable company's PVR. The Tivo still doesn't(?) support OCAP:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/dnptivo-premiere-and-premiere-xl-usher-in-a-brand-new-interface/ [engadget.com]
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I cannot cite myself right now, but you should look into recent rulings passed - I don't recall if it was Congress or just an FCC rule, but cable companies are no longer permitted to disable IEEE1394 ports. I'm in Phoenix, and the Cox assholes disable them by default, but according to AVSForum and other source, a stern phone call to them gets them re-enabled. It's not quite as nice as just adding a hard drive, but you can run a little mythtv box and have better functionality than the shitbox Comcast gives y
Stop tinkering at the edges (Score:2)
One big fat rented pipe and any telco, isp, tv, digital service you like.
No contract, long term, bundles, get some light and entrepreneurship flowing back into the dark cartels and sealed single providers.
Not enough (Score:2)
Until cable companies and their subsidiaries are forbidden to design, manufacture, sell, lease, rent or otherwise provide hardware, they will have too much control.
Choose? (Score:2)
currently consumers overwhelmingly choose to rent a box from their cable provider
Back when I had cable a couple years ago, there was no choice. If I wanted the deal, I *had* to rent the box. It sat under my sofa for a year, collecting dust and costing me money until I just had enough of it and canceled the service.
cableCARD ready tvs (Score:2)
Reminds me of telephones (Score:2)
FCC grew a pair? (Score:2)
Call me when I can get a CableCard-ready TV (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember those?
I'd kill to have a setup that my 75-year old mother could actually use. (She's just never going to be able to get the idea of separate components, and I've never found a "universal" remote control that she can use.)
Monopolistic a$$hats.
Why can't we be more like canada cable systems (Score:2)
They let you BUY THE BOX or RENT IT.
They have theme packs and pick and some All a carte cable.
Why can't you buy the same box comcast uses that has cable card in it?
Why is cable card locked out of VOD?
Why do you need a add on SDV tuner?
Why do some cable rent moxi boxes that can do SDV and VOD but when you buy your own NO VOD and SDV needs add on box?
Why is the RCN TVIO that can do VOD rent only and forces you to buy RCN HSI as well?
Why can comcast trun on the same cable box they have on there systems that yo
Looking forward to less slowness in new boxes (Score:2)
Unlike a lot of comments advocating savings in cutting the leased equipment, I am OK with continuing to lease the providers box and so on, after having tried OTA, boxless basic programming and using the box as prescribed.
However, likethis epinion review for US service says [epinions.com] response times for digital boxes are horrible. They are the most easily noticeable problem even by visitors. Analog boxes are simple, have lightweight remotes and lack today's "lightshow" happy LEDs.
Today, the java-fication of everything
It literally took hours... (Score:3, Interesting)
...to have Time-Warner install a CableCARD on my Moxi DVR. First off, T-W resolutely refuses to allow customers to self-install. They require a technician to come out and make a call to the "head office" to relay information from the DVR that requires the DVR owner (in this case, me) to pull up. Then, it takes about 2-1/2 additional hours to figure out that the INIT sequence wasn't being properly sent by T-W. Of course, all this time T-W is telling me it's my DVR (even though T-W specifically identifies the Moxi as a "supported" DVR). In the end, it cost me $35 and 3 hours of my time (2 hours of that spent online chatting with a Moxi engineer who was telling me what to tell the cable guy) to deal with T-W's ineptitude when it comes to CableCARD support.
Contrast this to Comcast: I walked into the Comcast office, picked up a CableCARD for my mom's 8-year-old rear projection Mitsubishi, plugged it in, called Comcast, and was up and running in about 1/2 hour. Total cost? $0.
Unfortunately, I don't think the FCC's new regs will address gross technical incompetence on the part of some cable TV providers.
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Actually the new rules do address this. They are required to allow you to do self installs of cable cards now, so at least you won't have to set up a service appointment and have a clueless tech come out to do the install.
Now if you're a TW customer and lucky enough to be in an SDV area you'll also need a Tuning Adapter that will fail every 30 days until you have a couple of service calls for that, but I guess we'll need to wait another 5 years for the next FCC ruling to fix that...
Next up ... (Score:2)
I foresee a big push for faster "High Speed Broadband" in the near future. I use quotes because in the US its anything but, unless your lucky enough to have fiber in your community, and be able to afford it, and even then
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Oh dear god, you life must be hell. Maying 10 cents a month in electricity and having to put it on something.
If only someone would do something so the consumer could understand the rules~
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If it is providing no features to you, then don't do it.
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Then it seems it does provide a feature to you, it lets you use the cable. Also, you're wrong about why they do that. It is not to deter pirates, it is to free up bandwidth. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_video [wikipedia.org]
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OK, since you obviously know more than I do about bandwidth, please explain how my cable company is offering 150 HD channels, about 400 SD channels, about 30 on-demand channels (so every TV in the neighborhood could theoretically be watching a different on demand show), plus internet and telephone, all over a wire that has about a 750MHz bandwidth.
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The required bandwidth is fixed, however, then the channels are off, they can use those channels for cable internet signals. That means that they can use a single cable run for more houses, since they can fit more Internet content. If all the TV stations are being watched, then everybody's Internet connection would be terrible, but the cable company knows that needing all channels at once is not very common.
Further more, if fewer channels are in use, then they can offer more VOD content. They normally keep
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What? The standards are working because there is ONE LAME vendor out there?
Hardly.
If the standards were working, there would be 50 VENDORS out there.
Contrast the diversity in PVRs with the diversity that existed with VCRs.
I want a solution that streams all of my media and is completely network transparent. I don't want any media tied to a particular TV. I don't want to have to associate a particular show with a particular TV. Even a web based interface for manipulating that relationship is a step backwards.
Re:you can't legislate intelligent decision making (Score:4, Insightful)
Hooking up a PVR should be no more complicated than hooking up a VCR used to be.
All of the nonsense "standardization" that has been created by the industry and the FCC is nothing more than a monopoly on a silver platter.
The connection between the cable box and the TV should be in the clear. THAT should be mandated by the FCC.
I should be able to record off of a cable box with a $30 ATSC tuner.
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This is gibberish.
The FCC should disallow encryption out of the STB and let the chips fall where they may.
If Big Content wants to take its ball and go home then so be it. Regulatory agencies simply should not hold themselves captive to large corporations acting like spoiled toddlers.
A lot of the "cable only" stuff ends up OTA eventually anyways.
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why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
This coming from a guy who posted with 5 different UIDs in one thread?
Shut the fuck up, samefag.
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If you follow the Cable Card Alliance rules, yes. (e.g. there are other devices, like TVs, and the Ceton 4 tuner CableCard device.)
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I know someone (who used to work at TiVo) who said that something like 50% of TiVo's issue backlog (this was 2008) was dealing with CableCard issues (on models that supported it).
Maybe their curve has flattened out now, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that "support for CableCard" "works reasonably well on Comcast (or other cable company)". Is probably designed to prevent the next TiVo from popping up and embarrassing the cable behemoths.
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This leaves anyone with a non-cableCard device out in the cold. The rules need to be tightened up to force cable companies to provide the digital signals that people are paying for IN THE CLEAR so they can use customer provided equipment freely. At least for any tier called "digital basic", which is the lowest level digital tier. In other
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Comcast does this. They used to provide all the basic digital signals in clearQAM so my four clearQAM devices could access them. Then one day they simply shut them off. I get the must-carries in digital with those devices now. Just the must-carries.
Bastards.
No big loss. Those extended basic channels were pretty crappy standard def feeds over digital anyway. They want you to pay even more to get the quality HD feeds of the same channels.
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Amusingly, nearly all of the channels in question are available for free with an antenna in wonderful, never been re-encoded 720p/1080i HD.
I myself never paid for broadcast TV. But I picked up Time Warner cable when my old 32" Sony HD CRT died a couple of years ago. The reason is simple: I replaced it with a proper 1080p 52" LCD, and wanted to play with it. Later on, I switched to Uverse. (They both sucked equally, though for completely different reasons.)
Lately, it's gone. I cancelled TV service a fe
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Amusingly, nearly all of the channels in question are available for free with an antenna in wonderful, never been re-encoded 720p/1080i HD.
The parent is talking about Extended Basic channels like CNN, FX, Comedy Central, etc which are not broadcast over the air.
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Oh. I guess my understanding of cable TV billing jargon is lacking.
Which is fine. I've got better things to fuck around with than that.
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[1]: I'm very annoyed that the likes of CBS, Fox, ABC and Comedy Central don't simply provide their own torrents. I'd be much happier if I could simply download legitimate feeds of this stuff, with commercials, than I currently am stealing it commercial-free. I'd even be happy help them distribute it, as is the nature of bittorrent. Alas.
The difference is that you have to download the entire file before you can watch it. You know this. So you should know that anybody can just skip past the ads in anything they downloaded. This is harder to do with streams or broadcast TV.
Further, ads in a torrent like that would be very hard to sell. Most ads are targeted to specific regions. Not all products being advertised are available anywhere in the world. And not all companies wanting to advertise have locations everywhere. Think of an ad for your lo
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The difference is that you have to download the entire file before you can watch it. You know this. So you should know that anybody can just skip past the ads in anything they downloaded. This is harder to do with streams or broadcast TV.
If you wait just a few minutes to let your dvr or flash player as appropriate buffer, you can do that just fine now. If people really don't want to watch commercials, they won't. Period.
I don't imagine they'd create region-specific torrents either because even the idea has tremendous problems.
Really? I could script automatic commercial insertion with freely available tools in under an hour. Add a little more time and I could have my DNS server pointing you to a region appropriate page to pull a torrent, direct download, or stream with those region appropriate ads from. And unlike now, you wouldn't be sharing
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http://www.mythtv.org/ [mythtv.org]
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More clueless rants from the Lemming peanut gallery.
CC hardware vendors will happily sell their gear to Linux users and support them too.
The main hurdle is CableLabs and the burdens they place on hardware and OS vendors.
These restrictions IMPACT EVERYONE and even make Tivos less useful.
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A little wasted electricity is a small price to pay for being COMPLETELY IN CONTROL of the experience.
I don't have to worry about any bullshit DRM. I can take recordings with me wherever I want or stream them wherever I want.
I don't have to worry about CC flags preventing my Tivo in the family room from seeing stuff recorded in the Living Room.
Low profile HTPC systems with suitable GPUs are cheap and plentiful.
Re:I already have this. (Score:5, Insightful)
No. This is different. It's legal.
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Depending on where the poster lives, it may be legal for him.
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Anywhere the FCC has jurisdiction copying copyrighted content from anyone other than a licensee is breaking the law (and playing it to your screen from a stream is, indeed, copying it).
Re:I already have this. (Score:4, Insightful)
P.S. I'm not in the USA.
Re:I already have this. (Score:5, Interesting)
Legality is kind of irrelevant at this point.
Cable/Satellite have already lost. This legislation is really no different than legislating that horse carriage manufacturers cannot mandate what buggy whip you get to use.
Locked in bundles, extortion by ESPN, monopolies and duopolies, out of control advertising, spamming during the programming itself, locked outputs, retroactively removed features that existed at the time of purchase (fuck you Sony and burn in Hell), are not desired by younger consumers, and especially the generation of young consumers that have been raised on YouTube, FaceBook, MySpace, Hulu, etc.
The future are services like Hulu and Netflix. I hardly even bother to torrent TV shows or movies anymore. For one, I can usually get the movie legally in a few days through the mail, or streamed directly to my TV in HD quality. My TV shows are now without commercials or those impossible-to-ignore-totally-ruin-the-fucking-show overlays with the Sci-Fi channel being the best example of the retarded twats that decided that was a good idea. I watched entire seasons of Chuck, Stargate SGU, The Big Bang Theory, etc. all without any interruptions or annoyances.
Above all... I did this legally for once. TV shows that are broadcast are obviously fair game to me though. If you put in radio waves across my face on my property, fuck you when you attempt to control what I do with it. That being said, I do like the fact that I can pay a reasonable price for access to a large catalog of movies legally.
There is a reason why Blockbuster has declared bankruptcy. There is a reason why Cable/Satellite execs constantly lament how many people are "cutting the cord".
They don't get it!
Even a cablebox of your choosing is not going to give you the on-demand choices and advertising free content that people are clearly going to obtain one way or the other. The article mentioned that the 3rd party cableboxes would contain Netflix. Really? If that is available, why would I choose to pay $50 a month for HBO/ShowTime/Cinemax/whatever? I would never pay any money for ShowTime, or whatever they are called, when they do the Sci-Fi Super-Retardo overlays on the movie while I am watching it. Saw that at a friends house and spent the next 20 minutes hooking up his kids XBOX to his TV, using the Live account his kids already had, and started watching the same movie IN HD, and WITHOUT the overlays through Netflix. Now his whole family has about 30-40 movies all the time queued up in their instant watch queue.
Sorry, the legislation here is too late. Nearly every young person I know has already transitioned towards a YouTube/Netflix/Hulu/??? combination to get access to entertainment and has never even once paid a cable TV bill.
We don't need to talk about the illegal stuff. Those people doing "illegal" stuff still represent a loss of marketshare (not a loss of income due to piracy, or some equally retarded and fallacious argument). However, what about the people like me that have been using, by and large, completely legal distribution channels to obtain entertainment on their own terms?
IMO, the legal options are going to make a cablebox obsolete before the legislation even takes place. 5 years ago I laughed when MS and Sony said they had ambitions to become the media centers in people's homes. Not laughing anymore....
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I have a Roku box. Cost me $60. Uses the Internet (built-in 802.11n wireless, at that). And now is available with 1080p support (though I wish they'd announced that before I'd bought my second Roku for the other TV...)
I get Netflix, as well as a lot of other content, on it.
Two reasons it's not as good as cable/satellite:
1. There still isn't a lot of content, and almost none of it is live (there's an MLB out-of-market channel, but I haven't tied into it yet to see if it's live or delayed).
2. Roku works
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Legality is kind of irrelevant at this point.
As long as there are laws and governments, police and lawyers, legality is never irrelevant.
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Which is why I said legally. I am under the assumption that when I rent a season of Chuck from Netflix that the content creators are getting financially rewarded through my Netflix membership.
As for my comment about broadcast digital TV, they have no rights to be rewarded. Once they put that content in the radio waves and sent said radio waves across my property, I am under no obligation to either view the content, pay for the content, or view the con
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Yeah, my dad ( > 45) has also talked about going for Netflix et al to cut out the satellite bill (However, our new house not having good satellite reception, even though it's in the city, might also be a part of it)
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I read GP's post as "You youngsters don't have the Netflix et al to dump cable thing to call your own, and you don't have any original pop music to call your own either."
That being said, I do think Gaga catches too much flak from people like you. Sure, she has some standard-issue pop songs [those kinds of things can be fun anyway, but I digress...], but she does break out of that mold more often than most. (The piano song Speechless, especially live, comes to mind) Lily Allen breaks the standard pop song mo
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Really? How well does a PS3 decode encrypted HD cable channels and handle PPV content? If it functioned as a good cable box, I might just buy a PS3, despite the fact that I don't play a lot of games. Bittorrent is great, but just a tiny bit more cumbersome than simply pulling up a DVR menu or punching in a 4-digit channel number, and then there's the question of legality.
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Bittorrent is great, but just a tiny bit more cumbersome than simply pulling up a DVR menu or punching in a 4-digit channel number, and then there's the question of legality.
The TV shows I torrent are ones that for some reason my DVR did not record, so I don't really care if I'm technically infringing copyright. That said...
There are already torrent clients that can use RSS feeds to grab the shows you are interested in. With a very small amount of extra coding, you could end up with the downloaded files renamed the way you want and in the right place for your media player to be able to access them, all with no human intervention. It's probably already been done, but I've nev
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*shrug* Pretty well, actually.
Try Ted [Torrent Episode Downloader] [www.ted.nu] with PS3 Media Server. [blogspot.com] You get the same shows you watch now. It costs you nothing. All the commercials are edited out. And you can usually watch them within 3-4 hours of their being broadcast.
The only possible alternative that is similar in functionality (shows WITHOUT commercials, not just commercials you fast forward through) is Amazon VOD. That being said, Amazon VOD is only compatible with certain devices, unlike PS3 Media Server, which
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The funny thing is that I cannot get service this good from any provider at *any* price. I would be willing to pay quite a premium to get truly ad-free TV. But I want my shows to download automatically (or stream), I want it in HD, and I want it to work with a video game console or TV, eliminating a set-top box that would otherwise take up valuable space.
The funny thing is that I cannot get service this good from any provider *even with ads*. I would be willing to watch commercials to get truly free, legit
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Such limitations only exist if you purchase content legally; which is, of course, the point.
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Hold on a moment. Cable companies are granted exclusive franchises by the city government, not the federal government. That and that alone is the reason for the abysmal service. If you had a choice between TW, Comcast, Cox, Charter, and CableVision in most cities then we would have real competition, and the prices and services would be much better.
The FCC helps to keep the cable companies acting like there is competition. If not for the FCC, there would never have been the CableCard option in the first plac
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I've long ago suggested 5 or 10 year lease options for cities to offer infrastructure for Cable. Every 5 or 10 years, the lease would be up, and new bidding would take place. City mandates SLA for the service, and dings the lease holder when the lease holder doesn't comply. Charges, rates, and everything would be part of the contract.
Lowest price, best service, highest speeds etc all go into the equation. Every 5 or 10 years, everything is opened up again for bidding.
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The rollout of FiOS or u-verse gives customers a maximum of 4 options in most places for non-broadcast channels. That is getting a lot better, but the companies still don't really compete, since FiOS/u-verse is largely only economical if you take bundled services, which means that you are very unlikely to be switching services. Switching between two cable providers if you are getting separate phone and internet would be no big deal, similar to switching phone companies in those few places with a choice.