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Does the End of KOffice Mean the End of KDE? 233

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the yeah-that'll-happen dept.
jfruhlinger writes "Venerable Linux office suite KOffice has been reborn as "Calligra," a name meant to evoke calligraphy but perhaps a bit too close to the neme of a deranged Roman emperor. Perhaps more importantly, Calligra seems to be cooperating with the future MeeGo mobile Linux distro. Could this be the beginning of the end of the KDE desktop, at least under its current branding?"
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Does the End of KOffice Mean the End of KDE?

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  • Oh no (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stoolpigeon (454276) * <bittercode@gmail> on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @01:40PM (#34476090) Homepage Journal

    not just the end of KDE - but the end of all life on earth!
     
    What a stupid headline. Page views, clicks, etc. Yeah I know.

    • Re:Oh no (Score:5, Funny)

      by WrongSizeGlass (838941) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @01:44PM (#34476154)

      not just the end of KDE - but the end of all life on earth! What a stupid headline. Page views, clicks, etc. Yeah I know.

      Now hold on just one minute Capt. Hyperbole. When taking into account the release delays, the infighting and the whole Mayan calender/2012 thing this just might be the first domino in the end of all life on earth!

    • by ingwa (958475) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @02:03PM (#34476470)
      * KDE was rebranded a year ago. It's now the name of the community, not the desktop.
      * KDE, the community, is stronger than ever with more contributors than ever and more commits than ever.
      * Calligra does not switch focus to mobile, but it *extends* the focus to mobile... and tablets... and so on.
      • Hmmm. I switched from KDE to LXDE as part of the Lightweight Ubuntu (lubuntu) distribution. It's more memory-friendly

    • by JustOK (667959)

      good thing we have backups.

    • Re:Oh no (Score:4, Insightful)

      by 0100010001010011 (652467) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @02:31PM (#34476896)

      Ob. SMBC [smbc-comics.com]

      Maybe that should go for Slashdot headlines as well.

    • Could be worse. could have been named for the son of Marcus Aurelius: Comodeus
    • by mcgrew (92797) *

      Indeed. Who uses Koffice? I have little use at home at all for an office suite, but on the rare times I do, I use OpenOffice. And tellingly (meaning "telling that TFA's authors are morons"), kubuntu comes with OO as the default rather than KO.

      As to "at least under its current branding?" why should I care about branding?

      • by AaronW (33736)

        I use it when I want to do something quick. It's far more lightweight than Open Office/Libre Office.

      • by MarkRose (820682)

        I use it. OpenOffice is a pig, its UI is an eyesore, its mouse cursors are weird, etc. The only thing OO is better at (for me) than KO is support for Microsoft formats.

      • by jbolden (176878)

        Back in the early 2000s I used Koffice to fork processes off from our applications. It was very nice to be able to send thousands of data points to a spreadsheet which had graphing and just pass calls and not have to write all that code.

  • by h4rr4r (612664) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @01:42PM (#34476118)

    There is clearly a typo in the summary, this is a KDE project so it would have to be Kalligra.

  • Just because one of the many apps built with KDE has been re-branded doesn't mean everything else will be. Re-branding an app can help them re-market and re-invet the image for KOffice and loosen the implied restriction of running only under KDE. Changing the name of KDE doesn't benefit them seeing as how Desktop environments aren't really marketed to end-users, and even in the Linux world, most either don't care or already have a preference.
  • They're based on the same technology, but other than that, what do they have to do with each other? You can run one without the other.
    So the short answer would be "No".

    I enjoy KDE and use it daily. I would use KOffice more if there was a better project management tool than KPlato included but alas, there isn't.
    Time to donate some more Paypal money their way so that I can close that account. Btw, what alternatives are there to paypal? You know, companies that atleast pretend to support democracy.

    • >Btw, what alternatives are there to paypal?

      http://gunpal.com/ [gunpal.com] (I kid you not.)
      http://alertpay.com/ [alertpay.com]
      wire transfers
      http://moneybookers.com/ [moneybookers.com]
      https://www.neteller.com/ [neteller.com]
      https://www.epassporte.com/ [epassporte.com]
      http://www.e-gold.com/ [e-gold.com]
      http://www.libertyreserve.com/ [libertyreserve.com]

      >You know, companies that atleast pretend to support democracy.

      I don't vouch for any of the above.

  • Tag: Troll (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bcmm (768152) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @01:46PM (#34476200)
    Let's tag this story "troll" and move on quickly.
  • The day you born you started to die. You can point any event as "the beginning of the end" of anything that is not eternal. But that one classical KDE app is renamed to something that have no K have more or less the same weight that a gnome app having a name that don't starts with g (and didnt saw any comment about the beginning of the end of gnome when one of such apps got released or renamed).
  • It is official; Netcraft now confirms; KDE is dying

  • Yeah, totally. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by maakri (1914602) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @01:56PM (#34476362)
    Yes. Totally. Because the only reason people use KDE is so they can get KOffice.
  • by necro81 (917438)
    Probably it's a typo, and they meant to write "name" with reference to Calligula, but what the hell is a "neme". Is that some new-fangled internet term for a name-meme? And what the hell is that supposed to mean?

    Yes, I googled it, and got no satisfaction. YMMV.
    • No, it is new and you nailed it. A neme is a name and meme combined into one. This may be the first time one has been spotted in the wild. Good catch.
  • by tigre (178245) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @01:59PM (#34476406)

    A portmanteau of meme and name?

  • Rebranding (Score:5, Informative)

    by Enderandrew (866215) <enderandrew&gmail,com> on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @02:01PM (#34476442) Homepage Journal

    KDE has been rebranding, and not just in removing the K from all their applications. KDE is a project, and a non-profit entity (KDE e.V.). The software compilation they release is now known as KDE SC.

    I don't see any reason for alarm over rebranding. KDE is getting more contributers and developers every year. Even many of the die-hard haters who railed against the 4.0 release have come back into the fold loving the current KDE releases. And for all the hate about Plasma, the Plasma framework makes it quite easy to create new activities and shells, making KDE on netbooks, tablets and phones considerably more viable.

    I find it interesting that Ubuntu is trying to find a way to create one interface/shell on every device, and yet they pay so little attention to KDE, Plasma and Qt. With KDE activities, I can switch instantly between a netbook activity (which I may prefer on the tiny resolution netbook screen) and a more standard desktop activity/shell when I use the video output to use a larger display.

    I can keep many of the same apps, conventions, etc. across multiple devices while still focusing on a activity/shell that is best suited to that size/resolution/device.

    I'm actually really excited about the future of KDE.

    • by jbolden (176878)

      I honestly think Ubuntu is going to break from Gnome soon. Gnome's direction and Ubuntu's are opposite. Ultimately KDE could use a parent distribution and Ubunto needs more clout and ain't going to get it in RedHat's DE.

  • I read that they were going to go through some re-branding pain some time ago although the reasons were not clear, at least to me. But I hardly think this qualifies as signs that KDE is going away.
  • by ndogg (158021) <the.rhorn@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @02:05PM (#34476500) Homepage Journal

    I know I never have, and I use KDE quite a lot. I don't know anyone that has. It's usually OpenOffice.org that's being use.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @02:35PM (#34476986)

      I know I never have, and I use KDE quite a lot. I don't know anyone that has. It's usually OpenOffice.org that's being use.

      I've tried to use KOffice. Lord, how I've tried. I hate OpenOffice with a passion, but I just keep coming back to it.

      There's really only one thing holding KOffice back from general recognition as an Office contender: the font rendering/kerning is abysmal.

      The history behind this is tragic: someone in both the KDE and KOffice projects made it a principle that these projects should always use Qt libraries whenever possible instead of re-inventing the wheel. On paper, this sounds good. The problem is that there are still areas where the current Qt libraries....well, suck. Font rendering is one, printing is another. Thus, KOffice sucks and fonts and KDE sucks at printing (KDE3 was great at this because they used their own libraries).

      This is not usually a big deal because bugs can be fixed, right? Not in this case. The KDE and KOffice people point at the guiding principle (use Qt libraries) and say it's a Qt problem--ask Qt for a fix. The Qt people say that these features are not important to include in their libraries (because neither KDE nor KOffice are their bread and butter). And nobody fixes the problem.

      Actually that's not entirely true. The Scribus team created their own font rendering library for their Qt-based app. Because they don't want to produce crap, even if they have to re-invent the wheel to avoid producing crap.

      • by xiox (66483)

        Unfortunately you're correct. I tried KOffice as OpenOffice does suck in many ways, but when it couldn't render text properly on paper I had to give up.

    • by hweimer (709734)

      I know I never have, and I use KDE quite a lot. I don't know anyone that has. It's usually OpenOffice.org that's being use.

      It wasn't even a KDE project. Probably the authors just decided that it was time to switch directions of the project since it was not going anywhere.

  • kaligraphy.com (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Space cowboy (13680) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @02:06PM (#34476510) Journal
    Hmm. And just recently I got a request to purchase kaligraphy.com from me.

    Thinking that it might have been Microsoft or Apple or similar about to release a new product, I replied with an outrageously high price. I wonder if it was the KDE team :)

    If it is indeed the KDE team, get in touch :) Email is in the whois data ...

    Simon
  • by erroneus (253617) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @02:21PM (#34476760) Homepage

    This is a horrible junk news editorial. This speculation is not just wild, it is more annoying than those toads in Australia... too much of this around and we just can't kill them all.

    I welcome the name change from KOffice to just about anything else including Caligula. KOffice is not the same as K-Office. KOffice sounds too much like a bronchial condition. And the propensity to name things with a K in front is just ridiculous. I know, Gnome is somewhat guilty of that but not to the same extent. Worse, K is associated n my mind with K-Mart which was the brand of K-rap. (Their shoes were cheap and only lasted for 5 minutes on my feet when I was a kid.) I know... my association with K is my problem, but still. Too much K already. At least "G" is more often silent.

  • Caligula Text editor? I am so there!

    How about other cool names? I want the Loki Operating system!

  • by Zero__Kelvin (151819) on Tuesday December 07, 2010 @03:04PM (#34477436) Homepage
    Never ask a question inspired by itworld that can be answered by simply going straight to the source [kde.org].
  • What happened here seems to be, from my skimming of the mailing lists, just a personality conflict. A bog-standard one, at that. The name change is more symbolic than anything else. Here's what to take away from this fiasco: One KWord developer is going to do his own thing, where some lists and code repos are hosted may change. Everything else is business as usual.

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