Michael Moore Posts Julian Assange's Bail 987
digitaldc quotes Michael Moore in a story running on the Huffington Post where he says "Yesterday, in the Westminster Magistrates Court in London, the lawyers for WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange presented to the judge a document from me stating that I have put up $20,000 of my own money to help bail Mr. Assange out of jail. Furthermore, I (Michael Moore) am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving as it continues its work to expose the crimes that were concocted in secret and carried out in our name and with our tax dollars."
Re:Empty theatrics (Score:5, Informative)
um... [huffingtonpost.com]
"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is back in court today, and has been granted bail by a British judge. He has been in a British prison for a week after being denied bail last week. Assange is wanted for questioning for alleged sex crimes involving two women in Sweden. It is thought that one of the women, Anna Ardin, may no longer be cooperating with prosecutors."
Inaccurate summary (Score:1, Informative)
How does that help Assange when he was denied bail?
He was granted bail [npr.org].
The article says that "a number of Assage's wealthy friends" pledged the $317,000 bail-- the summary is vastly inaccurate saying "Michael Moore" posted the bail.
Re:It's good to have allies (Score:4, Informative)
Except that his movies made at least one completely false statement that I know of for sure. He said that factory that was making the Titan IV was making ballistic missiles. It is not and has never been a ballistic missile. It was based on the Titan II which was ballistic missile but was retired from service long ago.
Re:Moore Claims Credit! (Score:5, Informative)
I have put up $20,000 of my own money to help bail Mr. Assange out of jail. [emphasis to aid jackasses who can't fucking read]
But hey, look at me quoting what a person actually says he did instead of trusting the headline written by a Slashdot editor.
No money actually required (Score:5, Informative)
You do not have to post any actual money when you provide a surety in the UK. You only have to show that you have the sum available and are liable for the sum in the event the (alleged) offender breaches bail conditions in some significant manner. See http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/the-rights-of-defendants/bail.html [yourrights.org.uk] for a further explanation.
Re:It's good to have allies (Score:2, Informative)
One? Try 59 in a single film [davekopel.com]. (Ok, some of those are not complete lies, just misleading half-truths.)
Re:Goose Gander (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Goose Gander (Score:5, Informative)
What to say to police (Score:5, Informative)
I'd mod you up if I hadn't already posted in this topic. Really, the only things you should say to a police officer are the following:
Re:Empty theatrics (Score:4, Informative)
My understanding is he's wanted for some non-standard local law having to do with wearing a condom, and that that "crime" is specifically not rape. Having seen this in at least a couple dozen news articles, you'd have to show me quite a bit of alternative stories saying the charge is RAPE, in order to convince me.
Re:Common sense wins (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry to reply to my own post, but things have changed. Sweden have now decided they want to appeal against the bail, but have declined to provide any evidence as to any crimes committed. It looks like a vindictive attack is in process to keep him in jail and incommunicado as long as possible. Also the courts aren't taking cheques as they take 7 days to clear, so $380,000 has to be found in used pound notes. Looks like restaurant designer Sarah Saunders, who is putting up $237,000 of bail money, is going to be making a large withdrawal.
In addition to conditions above, curfew from 10am-2pm and 10pm-2am according to the BBC. What a coincidence these are the hours that cover the prime-time news slots.
Phillip.
Re:It's good to have allies (Score:5, Informative)
I started reading that, but the first "lie" was merely dramatic license. I've seen lists like this before and they're all like that.
Moore's use of dramatic methods to tell the story are not lying, not in the way that the right wing's diversions, obfuscations, and blatant lies are lying.
In the end, Moore tells you the truth, and the GOP and its corporate masters and its gibbering minions take your money and move on to their next lie.
Re:Or: (Score:5, Informative)
First of all what you are saying is not true. He offered the State department the chance to redact the documents, which they declined, then worked in conjunction with respectable papers such as the Guardian and New York Times to publish them.
Secondly, the job of a journalist is to find stories in the public interest and publish them. They aren't all caped crusaders. At least Wikileaks is only publishing information that is anonymously sent to them. In the UK journalists are quite happy to break the law, hack into people's private information, and do whatever it takes to get a story. News of The World in the UK hacked into the voicemail of celebrities, politicians and royal family to get stories (list of victims here [guardian.co.uk]).
I would trust Julian Assange to be more apolitical than Michael Moore.
Phillip.
Re:Goose Gander (Score:4, Informative)
Go watch the Youtube videos "Never talk to the police" and then come back to the thread.
"I have nothing to say"
"My lawyer's name is [their name here]"
Re:Doomed (Score:4, Informative)
People can hate both Moore and Palin.
No, you have to choose. You get to pick either Moore, abortion, gun control, gay marriage support; or Palin, destroying terrorists, bailouts and conservative values.
You can't pick and choose a la carte. This isn't a restaurant. This is America.
Re:What to say to police (Score:5, Informative)
Re:It's good to have allies (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What to say to police (Score:5, Informative)
Great point -- however, if one has a weapon of any variety (even one that might be in plain sight), it's wise to tell the officer that before making any moves that might possibly be construed as reaching for a weapon. Things like, "Officer, I am wearing a pistol on my hip, which is near my seatbelt" or "I have a pistol in my glove compartment" or "I have a hunting knife on my belt", followed by a question about how you can most safely comply with their directions might help their peace of mind (and your safety) a lot.
Re:Doomed (Score:4, Informative)
The law isn't always used for justice. It's also used for revenge and control.
Re:Goose Gander (Score:4, Informative)
Heh...more the fool you.
Here's a gem that shoots down the premise you're trying to promulgate here...
Part 1 [youtube.com]
Part 2 [youtube.com]
These are videos of a lecture given by Professor Duane, an instructor at Regent Law School and a Experienced LEO that's moving into the Legal profession on just precisely WHY you don't do what you're talking about.
Pay particular attention to how fast someone can be deep-sixed in a courtroom on flimsy crap, stuff that a Jury would have some difficulty discounting.
Regardless of "if you don't have anything to hide"...anything can and WILL be used against you at any time.
Re:Doomed (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, because, in a state that has such a large dependence on tourism based around nature, most bullets sold are primarily for the purpose of murder rather than hunting, wildlife management, or target shooting.
In 2009, there were 175 murders in Colorado. In 1981, the year with the greatest number of murders on record, there were 239. These are total counts for murder, they do not delineate gun murders from any other method. In 2008 approximately 41,000 pheasant roosters were harvested. That's just pheasants. I'm not even going to take the time to find out the bag totals of other animals/hunting seasons.
Nobody's "pretending" that the majority of bullets sold are for hunting.
Except, he never said those things... facts: (Score:4, Informative)
This is the same guy who has insinuated that George W. Bush is pals with Osama Bin Laden and specifically sent too few troops into Afghanistan to make sure Bin Laden escaped and wanted to keep his Taliban friends safe.
Do you have a citation for these claims? From what I remember of the movie, the points you refer to are:
The Bush/Bin Laden family and business connection stuff is documented fact. The President's special "fly" approval enabling the Bin Laden's to leave the U.S. immediately after the 9/11 attacks is documented fact. The decision to send fewer than 30 soldiers to pursue Osama, when they knew (or claimed to know) where he was, is documented fact. What is so outrageous about Moore's statements here?
Re:What to say to police (Score:4, Informative)