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US Offers $30M For High-Risk Biofuel Research 183

coondoggie writes "This one sounds a bit like really wishful thinking. The US Department of Energy today announced $30 million for research projects that would develop advanced biofuels that could replace gasoline or diesel without requiring special upgrades or changes to the vehicle or fueling infrastructure. The $30 million would be spent over the next four years to support as many as five 'traditionally high-risk biofuels projects,' such as converting biomass into biofuels and bioproducts to be eventually used for hydrocarbon fuels and chemicals."
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US Offers $30M For High-Risk Biofuel Research

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  • by rwa2 ( 4391 ) * on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @06:08PM (#34567014) Homepage Journal

    Biofuels like Ethanol have a very high octane rating, so you can increase power output with really high compression ratios with superchargers and turbochargers. Supposedly these turbo gasohol vehicles are popular in Brazil, where they can actually grow and produce their cane sugar ethanol with a net positive energy output (whereas corn-based ethanol in the US costs more energy to make than you get from it in return... so it's really just an agricultural subsidy as well as a way to water down imported petroleum-based fuels and decreasing your gas mileage - FTW!)

    Meh, some interesting reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel [wikipedia.org]

  • Re:Urgency (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jfengel ( 409917 ) on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @06:21PM (#34567216) Homepage Journal

    Well, I wouldn't call $30 million over 5 years "urgent". That's doughnut money to the Department of Defense, whose budget is 100,000 times more than that.

    US domestic oil production peaked 40 years ago. We've been subject to nasty oil shocks ever since, as well as the unpleasant fact that many key oil exporters are avowed or tacit opponents of the US. We'd much rather be self-sufficient in oil, regardless of whether the rest of the world experiences Peak Oil or not.

  • by jpedlow ( 1154099 ) on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @06:42PM (#34567520)
    Was lucky enough to do some work with butanol while in school (O-chem, with some manufacturing chemistry)
    Apparently nowdays there's several fancy nickel catalysts that do the trick, but with relatively low yields
    BUT, fiberous bed bioreactors are the trick for half decent yields...
    I'm out of chem now, I stuck with my computer nerd roots and am in a server room right now, but it was readily apparent (back in the day) that butanol was the clear choice for ease of transition, octane rating, transportability, and it's emissions are 'supposed to be' cleaner than current gas offerings.
    ANYWAY, go butanol go! Not quite the same octane ratings as ethanol, but it'll run on almost any vehicle with very little-if any- tuning
  • by ciggieposeur ( 715798 ) on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @06:54PM (#34567678)

    It's not only in the labs. Terrabon [terrabon.com] is right now demonstrating a biomass-to-gasoline process on a pilot plant scale. It's real gasoline, not alcohol or other alternative fuel.

  • Re:High Risk? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by khallow ( 566160 ) on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @07:40PM (#34568222)

    We really haven't seen a lot of basic research labs where companies throw money into R&D and see what happens. That's the way it used to work back in the day with places like Bell Labs and even Xerox. Today this is usually done at research universities.

    Why do your own research when you can get government to throw a bunch of money at it? The US, for example, throws billions of dollars every year at basic research. Where's the incentive for me to do basic research on my own dime?

    I see this as one of the big social drivers for destroying scientific progress in the world (not just in the US). Currently, in a lot of fields the only gain from genuine scientific inquiry is status. And that can be gamed too. I see in many decades the possibility of a huge publicly funded, parasitic scientific community which doesn't do anything. Any attempt at genuine science would threaten the status quo and so is actively squelched.

  • by Red Flayer ( 890720 ) on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @08:34PM (#34568736) Journal

    Battery technology will never be at the point where we can go as far as we currently can in a small car, and along the way charge up in under a few minutes (unless people start gaining acceptance for sealed personal nuclear power supplies)...

    So you say. People also said that gasoline cars would never be as reliable as a horse and wagon.

    People don't want and cannot afford specialized cars just for commutes.

    Horseshit. I drive a specialized car just for my commute. You think I *enjoy* driving an econobox? I do it becaause it's cost-effective. The family wagon gets used by my wife during the week, and by the family on the weekends.

    When liquid fuel prices get high enough, then you better believe people will want to drive a specialty vehicle for commuting... and all their other driving.

    I'm sure battery powered cars have a future but I just cannot see them as being the mainstream car that most people drive.

    Obviously, I disagree. I think there are inherent disadvantages to fuel systems due to:
    (1) distribution and transportation costs
    (2) the relative inefficiency of small engines, and
    (3) the decreased dependence on a limited set of fuels.

    With regards to (3), I think from a security standpoint, as well as a market efficiency standpoint, we're far better having a system where we can swap out power sources as needed. This gives us better long-term viability (for example, allowing us to more easily change to nuclear and renewable energy sources).

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