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Skype Outage Hits Users Worldwide 167

Hugh Pickens writes "The LA Times reports that millions of Skype phone users worldwide couldn't make calls or were dropped in mid-conversation because of a network connection failure that began about 9 AM Wednesday PST. 'For a communications system this large to go down, it's almost unheard of,' says Charles S. Golvin, a Forrester Research analyst. 'Usually when phone lines are disrupted, the blackout is confined to a specific geographical area. This is worldwide.' In theory, Skype, which is based on peer-to-peer networking technology, shouldn't see an outage, but that is not really the case — the company has a massive infrastructure that it uses for purposes such as authentication and linking to the traditional phone networks. 'The outage comes at a time when Skype is starting to ask larger corporations for their business,' writes Om Malik. 'If I am a big business, I would be extremely cautious about adopting Skype for business, especially in the light of this current outage.'"
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Skype Outage Hits Users Worldwide

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  • by hellop2 ( 1271166 ) on Thursday December 23, 2010 @09:22AM (#34650942)
    This is your response to the Net Neutrality Bill? Very clever...

    Question: do torrents still work, or did the bastards turn that off too?
  • Re:Centralaisation (Score:5, Interesting)

    by duggi ( 1114563 ) <prathyusha_malyala.yahoo@com> on Thursday December 23, 2010 @09:26AM (#34650970)
    Actually it is a cycle. De-centralised to centralised then centralised to de-centralised. A lot of concepts work this way. From political power (Local government to kingdom to local government) to computing (mainframe to data centre to cloud), we see this cycle a lot.
    I actually hope that someone does a study of this phenomenon, and finds out an equilibrium which has advantages of de centralisation and centralisation. That would be something.
  • Re:Centralaisation (Score:4, Interesting)

    by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Thursday December 23, 2010 @09:49AM (#34651092) Journal

    You make a good point about centralization == bad.

    That's why I've kept my Landline phone, because it still works even when the DSL goes down (dialup backup) or power goes out (has its own power) or cellphone towers are overloaded. Ditto why my TV comes-in via antenna instead of the unreliable CATV line. It's not a good idea to move everything to the internet, which has demonstrated itself to have more downtime than the older 1800s-era technologies.

    As for saving money on long distance, I use a calling card. 5 cents a minute or just $30 for 10+ hours. So it's almost as cheap as Skype but a lot more mobile (I can use it any gas station or hotel). Also cheaper than my cellphone plan at 18 cents/minute.

  • Ekiga anyone? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gbl08ma ( 1904378 ) on Thursday December 23, 2010 @10:10AM (#34651204) Homepage Journal
    My Ekiga account which uses the much more "open" and widely supported Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) is still up and running. By "widely supported" I mean that many more applications support it (while Skype is a proprietary form of VoIP), not that more people use it.
    Time to laugh of all my friends that are now trying to use Skype! (soon I'll be receiving messages through MSN - not IRC or GTalk - asking why Skype stopped working)
  • Supernode (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dargaud ( 518470 ) <[ten.duagradg] [ta] [2todhsals]> on Thursday December 23, 2010 @10:28AM (#34651328) Homepage
    Hmmm, I wonder if this ties in with the fact that last night my computer started spewing tens of thousands of packets on port 443 (https). My guess is that it became a Spype supernode. Needless to say, the network admins were not very happy about this. I couldn't find a way to disable it in Ubuntu, so it's gonna be goodbye Skype for now, unless someone can suggest a solution.
  • Re:Supernode (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RulerOf ( 975607 ) on Thursday December 23, 2010 @10:48AM (#34651444)
    Skype uses interesting techniques to punch holes in firewalls to allow that peer-to-peer connection. Rather than relying on some type of dynamic port mapping via UPnP, Skype's central server (or perhaps the supernodes?) tell each computer to contact the other, causing the NAT device to dynamically map the required ports at the time a call is made. From what I've heard, the NAT traversal that Skype uses was pioneered by them, but I believe the technique has since been adopted by many other applications.

    Skype has a little checkbox somewhere that says "Use ports 80 and 443" as alternates. Unchecking that might help you here.
  • Circuit Analogy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dtmos ( 447842 ) on Thursday December 23, 2010 @11:04AM (#34651548)

    The best circuit analogy I've seen to this switching between a distinct pair of alternatives is a delta-sigma analog-to-digital converter [wikipedia.org] (or sigma-delta converter, depending on your dialect). This converter takes an analog signal input, but the output is only one of two values, 1 or 0. The long-term average of the output pulses is equal to the input analog voltage, but at any given instant the output is at one of the rails (1 or 0).

    It's like saying that at any instant the US government is controlled by Democrats or Republicans, but the long-term average (representing the input to the system, i.e., the wishes of the people) is somewhere between these extremes. Or the old argument about whether a company should be organized around functions (having, e.g., an engineering department, a sales department, etc., each handling all products) or products (having, e.g., a Product A division, a Product B division, etc., each handling all functions). Each new CEO switches the company from one to the other, while the optimum is some unattainable blend of the two. (Don't mention matrix management.)

    Interestingly, one of the most prized features of delta-sigma converters is that their noise is "shaped", that is, pushed to higher frequencies out of band, so it can be easily filtered. This greatly increases the performance attainable with a given technology. Every time I hear protest voices in democratic governments, or organizational griping by corporate salarymen, I always pause to wonder if I am listening to this feature of the converter, too. And whether I should filter it.

  • Re:Centralaisation (Score:4, Interesting)

    by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Thursday December 23, 2010 @11:17AM (#34651654) Journal

    I experienced a tropical storm just a few years ago where the power was out for several days (no computer==no VOIP), the celltowers were long dead, and the gas station was a 3 mile walk. The only thing that still worked was my landline phone. It only costs ~$7/month so I can't think of any reason to disconnect it.

  • DoS (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 23, 2010 @11:38AM (#34651828)

    Looks to me like a classic DoS against the "supernodes". Probably why they, according to Skype, started disappearing. In the Skype architecture, basically if you run an instance on a machine not behind a firewall or NAT, chances are that you are running a supernode and contributing to the Skype p2p network. Your IP is distributed across the network for referece.

    I happen to have a machine that runs a supernode and about 12 hours ago I had real trouble accessing the machine while Skype was consuming 99% of CPU cycles. Incidentally, the same machine has an Apache listening on port 80 and SVN on 443. They were being flooded as well, due to the fact that Skype commonly listens on those ports as well (not in my case, due to my setup). Apache logs for the day was over 10GiB, containing the evidence. Apparently, Apache was taking the pounding much better, remaining responsive.

    This seems to be a siginificant weakness in the Skype architecture as they are relying on 3rd parties for their core infrastructure. Incidentally, this also makes easy targets of guys that contribute to the network as supernodes.

    A snippet from the Apache log:

    [Thu Dec 23 13:52:50 2010] [error] [client *.*.*.*] (22)Invalid argument: Cannot map \xd0\x15X\xbf\xf9\x99J\x19\xb7;P(\xe2(\x98\xfe\xb8"\x07[N_^\xda\xb5\xe9\x8ef\xb0\xe4\x82\xaa\x9dMZ\x9d5G\x04\x8f\x11W\xf8d\x0c\x819\xb1\xc6\x81\xe9n\xc5\xd9 to file
    [Thu Dec 23 13:52:50 2010] [error] [client *.*.*.*] (22)Invalid argument: Cannot map \xd0\x15X\xbf\xf9\x99J\x19\xb7;P(\xe2(\x98\xfe\xb8"\x07[N_^\xda\xb5\xe9\x8ef\xb0\xe4\x82\xaa\x9dMZ\x9d5G\x04\x8f\x11W\xf8d\x0c\x819\xb1\xc6\x81\xe9n\xc5\xd9 to file
    [Thu Dec 23 13:52:50 2010] [error] [client *.*.*.*] Invalid URI in request \xd0\x15X\xbf\xf9\x99J\x19\xb7;P(\xe2(\x98\xfe\xb8"\x07[N_^\xda\xb5\xe9\x8ef\xb0\xe4\x82\xaa\x9dMZ\x9d5G\x04\x8f\x11W\xf8d\x0c\x819\xb1\xc6\x81\xe9n\xc5\xd9

  • Re:RIP skype (Score:4, Interesting)

    by BrokenHalo ( 565198 ) on Thursday December 23, 2010 @12:17PM (#34652198)
    Skype doesn't suck any more than it did yesterday. OK, well I guess maybe it does, since at the moment it isn't working.

    But there has been no deception: when we sign up, we are made completely aware that Skype is not a replacement for a permanent line.

    If you are running a business that uses Skype (I don't say "depends" because it would be too stupid to build your business around something over which you have so little control), you should consider having at least one "fixed" line or at least a working and tested SIP setup.

    In my case, since I use Skype for personal purposes, the outage isn't the end of the world. It could have happened at a better time of the year, but I have alternatives: I have a SIP handset hanging off the back of my modem and I have my mobile phone. And, of course if I have to, I could run a SIP client via my tethered phone or USB wireless dongle. Or I could get off my ass and do something radical like write a fucking letter. Whatever.

    But I'm getting away from my point, which is that Skype is too good a service for me to abandon it because of one day's hiccup. Having the combination of an IM and VOIP client integrated in a product that already has near-universal "headspace awareness" among my non-geeky acquaintances is valuable. Sure, there are alternatives for each of these (and maybe both, for all I know), but my friends have to know about them too for them to be any use.

    So hopefully, when the dust settles after this outage, the Skype developers will be able to use this experience to build more robustness into what is already a great product.

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