New IE Zero Day 305
RebootKid writes "Microsoft has released a notice about
a new zero day attack against Internet Explorer. Guess it's going to be more a 'Script Kiddie Christmas,' less of a 'White Christmas.' 'Ok, fess up — who asked for an IE 0 day for Christmas? I'm guessing Santa got his lumps of coal mixed up with a bag of exploits. This exploit has been discussed over the last day or so on full disclosure and a number of other sites. Metasploit already has a module available for it (just search for CSS & IE). Microsoft has put out an advisory 2488013 regarding the issue which manifests itself when a specially crafted web page is used and could result in remote code execution on the client.'"
Terrible, terrible and juvenile summary. (Score:4, Insightful)
If you felt the story was newsworthy, I have no doubt that it was submitted in a form that was better than this one, or that you could have re-wrote it.
Re:Okay, here's a question ... (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't use technology X and therefor nobody else does! LALALALALALA NOT LISTENING
Re:Okay, here's a question ... (Score:5, Insightful)
And this is noteworthy why?
Because a significant number of people on Slashdot are security geeks and enjoy learning about exploits, or are sysadmins that manage at least some machines where the users can get to IE.
Re:Okay, here's a question ... (Score:5, Insightful)
And this is noteworthy why? How many Slashdotters use Internet Explorer for anything other than the occasional WindowsUpdate in XP? This may be News for Nerds, but it hardly matters. Everyone here knows very well that Internet Explorer is too dangerous for general Web use. That Microsoft is suffering yet another security failure doesn't really elicit much interest from me, I must say.
Firstly, a serious security vulnerability in a popular (for whatever reason) software tool is always noteworthy, if just for the fact that it's interesting. Secondly, the overall state of IE is large enough to affect everyone in some way or another. And finally, numerous people here administer systems or have friends and family that may run or require Internet Explorer, and such a bulletin could certainly prove useful to them to prevent this attack from damaging those they (are paid to) care about.
It irks me that there are better options than Explorer readily available, but so many people just don't care enough about their own security and privacy to avail themselves of those options. It's not like paying through the nose for an anti-virus product: these things are free to use! I feel less and less sorry for Explorer users every day, having heard all the excuses ("it doesn't look like Explorer, my favorite free-malware-site doesn't like it, it's too hard to install, I'm too stupid to use a computer, and so on ad infinitum.) It's not as if the likes of Firefox, Chrome and Opera are hard to find, or aren't in the public's eye nowadays. Hell, a few months ago a major U.S. bank issued a warning recommending that its customers eschew Explorer in favor of anything else and further recommended that any online banking be done in anything but Windows (preferably Linux/Unix.) Of course, the month after that they made another public statement to the effect that they would only support Internet Explorer (note: they didn't follow through on that threat. I got the distinct impression that it was a "left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing" situation.)
I've met smart people who think that Internet Explorer is the Internet. They don't know or care what a browser is. Technology, Internet included, is just another tool, and it needs to work correctly. To tell someone like this to get another browser is not feasible; without a long explanation, they will never like the idea of switching from something that is (or appears to be) working to something different.
Approaching someone and taking the time to explain the situation and answer their questions is the only way to make a transition sit comfortably with them. Unfortunately, people "in-the-know" don't have the time or desire to address the remaining population. The best effort I've seen to address the non-technical public is Google's "get a faster browser" button on their home page, and even then I've heard those who say "well, mine is fast enough". Someone has to explain things and answer their questions.
I've encountered pretty popular attitude that viruses only exist on shady websites (e.g., gambling, and porn) and that caring about or addressing security is not only unnecessary, but also an admission of one's intention to visit such sites. Once again, the only way to break past this is to take the time to sit down, explain things, and answer questions.
Short of prosthelytizing nerd squads going door-to-door, there's not much that can be done. Microsoft got themselves into this biased market mess by aggressively pushing IE and locking out other browsers, and they are wholly responsible for keeping their shit together. Maybe someone should sue them for damages.
Also, keep in mind that serious flaws have been found in Firefox, Safari, and Chrome. IE, like Windows, is targeted more heavily than other browsers due to its market share. If IE is ditched en masse, I would bet money on the number of flaws in other browsers growing significantly higher. This doesn't absolve Microsoft (see previous paragraph), but it does suggest that the problem is larger than IE and attitude.
The summary (Score:0, Insightful)
The summary is childish, but more importantly, it is NOT EVEN FUNNY!!!
Re:Merry Xmas (Score:5, Insightful)
And you're still a troll. And if you think that simply running Linux automagically protects you from any threat of malware, you're also an idiot.
The quality of discussion on this site is taking a nosedive lately. I think phony "debate" talkshows and the demagoguing occurring in politics does a lot of damage by repeatedly presenting invalid processes as though they were legitimate or useful. I'll spell it out right now, the dishonest tactics used on shows like that and commercials like that are designed for one purpose: so the host or politician can "win" and "be right" no matter how right or wrong he/she actually is. It's rhetoric, not debate.
I'll give a rough outline of how this most often plays out on Slashdot. My goal is to demonstrate how petty and useless it really is:
It boils down to what kind of man or woman you are. To some people, the truth is more important than winning and any winning that does happen is not legitimate if it is not rooted in truth. To many people, winning is more important than the truth and lying, distorting, misrepresenting, are all acceptable as long as you win and the other guy loses. The latter group will never know what it means to say "you know, that's a really good point, it made me think about this differently, you changed my mind about this -- thank you!" for that would mean losing face, or so they imagine.
What does this have to do with the subject at hand? I'll explain. For every 500 times I've seen someone say "if you think Linux automagically protects you from malware", I think I've seen maybe 1 time that anyone actually made that claim. This strawman has been beaten so severely it's reverted back to a small pile of hay. It's time to let it go, no matter how otherwise trollish somebody else has decided to be (and he was -- I don't dispute that, but this BS compounds that problem).
The GP said two things. He said he has run Debian and/or Ubuntu for the last 10 years. That's not absurd or beyond the realm of possibility. So ok, I believe him. He also says he has experienced no malware during those 10 years. That's strictly a matter of his competence as a Linux admin, skilled admins exist, and it doesn't take a particularly high level of skill to achieve that. So that's not absurd or infeasible either. Ok, I believe him on that one too.
Now hear this: he did not claim that Linux automagically did anything. I realize some people have said that -- if you want to do something about it, locate and deal with those people. What you're doing is assuming he must be just like them because he wears the same kind of tie. Until and unless he makes the same claims, he is not just like them. If he trolled a little, you said "oh yeah, watch THIS" and showed him how it's done.