Long Now Clock Advances With Bezos Cash 169
heptapod writes "Wired has an in-depth article about the 10,000 Year Clock and The Long Now Foundation which has begun moving forward with Jeff Bezos's investment of $42 million. Recently he put up a website with more information." My favorite-yet article about the 10,000 Year Clock appeared on Kevin Kelly's site earlier this month. (Kelly always seems to be involved in interesting projects, and is one of the movers behind this one.)
Archeologic interpretation (Score:4, Interesting)
Will future archaeologists interpret this as a sign that there was a cult based around timekeeping in Texas in the 2000's?
Probably not, but it is an interesting thought that it may be the case that many if not all of the most durable and long-standing monuments of ancient times essentially tell us nothing that's representative about the ancient cultures that built them. Take Stonehenge for example. Imagine if Stonehenge was built by a small group of people with too much money or resources on their hands who thought that it would be awesome to build a really, really big stone circle.
Re:Archeologic interpretation (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Cool idea, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
You'd think that kind of information would be in TFS so we know WTF they're talking about. OMGWTFBBQ.
I'd say something about how you must be new here, but I think that a six-digit ID indicates otherwise (even if it's hardly something to brag about).
Merely leaving out critical information is pretty good for a slashdot summary. I've given up complaining unless the summary actively lies or misleads. (This still leaves me plenty of opportunities to complain!)
I'm just glad the Long Now Foundation is getting some publicity! Too many people in the industry have a hard time thinking past the next couple of years. 10k years may seem like a lot when you're dealing with human history, but in other fields (astronomy, geology, archeology), it's an eyeblink. I'm glad that a time_t on 64-bit Linux handles such date ranges, but a lot of UIs still assume that years have four digits.
Re:Cool idea, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
That's certainly not true. There are a great many discoveries, tools, machines, and more, which were known to ancient societies and lost to time. Some of which have been rediscovered and become central to us in modern times. Others were obsoleted by modern instruments before they were rediscovered, etc, etc.
Concrete is perhaps the most striking example, used extensively until the fall of Rome, lost to time, and only (independently) rediscovered in the 18th century, and which is again, a fundamental building block of nearly all modern buildings, and very, very extensively used.
Among the others, the Baghdad Battery, The Antikythera Mechanism, and innumerable other machines, formulations, stone-mason tools, etc. Some of the most persistent mysteries about ancient people are how they A) Built large, complex stone structures more quickly than we would be able to even with modern tools, and B) Moved and manipulated into-place very large objects significant distances without more modern technology we don't believe they had, and with far fewer people than we believe they could have had available. So there are likely still many technologies out there yet to be rediscovered. These all may, in narrow instances, in fact be superior to our modern alternatives which perform similar tasks.
Re:Archeologic interpretation (Score:4, Interesting)
Look, (puts on Gieco hat), its not hard to know when to plant. Snow melts. Ground gets warm enough to dig in with bare hands. Wild plants start growing all by themselves. Even a Cave Man could do it. The very earth under your feet tells you when its time to sow. Nobody needs an observatory.
To the contrary. For the better part of known, written history, mathematicians and astronomers fought for building better almanacs specifically to cater for the needs of farmers. Those where extremely important researches, funded by kings and worth a lot of gold for whomever came with an edge in predicting the solar cycle exact duration. The ancient chinese emperors were responsible for deciding when to plow the earth, for instance. The power of egyptians pharaohs was tied to the prediction of the flooding of the Nile. This is DOCUMENTED history. Kepler stumbled upon his famous orbital laws almost by accident, because he was building an almanac for farmers and seafarers. My grandfather bought yearly, between the 50s and 80s, a printed almanac with dates to sow various plants calculated for the coming year. Everybody in the countryside would do the same. For the longest of times, it was literally a matter of life or death.
Re:Cool idea, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
Concrete is perhaps the most striking example, used extensively until the fall of Rome, lost to time, and only (independently) rediscovered in the 18th century, and which is again, a fundamental building block of nearly all modern buildings, and very, very extensively used.
I'm sorry, but you have totally misstated the history of cement. It was not lost to time upon the fall of Rome, and continued to be used in Europe, China, India, from medieval times right up to modern times.
The only thing that happened in the 18th century was someone wrote down a formula, but that formula was well known by the building trades throughout medieval times and in continuous use in various places in the world. Further the trend to poor grades of cement began DURING Roman times, not after.
I refer you to Lea's Chemistry of Cement and Concrete By Peter Hewlett.
There is an unfortunate tendency to believe any technology tried and abandoned centuries ago represents a lost art, knowledge of the ancients, somehow lost to modern man due to the collapse of a particular society. When in fact those technologies were never cost effective even when they were in use, and required the enslavement of huge numbers of people. Surviving examples such as the Pyramids, the Colosseum, are pointed to as examples of every day miracles of the ancients, when in fact much of roman architecture simply fell down due to bad mortar and was incorporate into other buildings, or used as rubble fill.
Re:Cool idea, but... (Score:2, Interesting)
There may be some truth to that, but there are a number of counter-examples. The contrary belief, that little or nothing of value has been lost to history is absolutely and provably wrong.
The Pyramids most certainly weren't the work of a large number of slaves. In fact it's merely a persistent myth, completely unsupported by evidence.
And I fail to follow your logic either. How does the fact that some buildings were substandard, take anything away from the Pyramids or the Colosseum?
I'd throw the Parthenon in there as well, again as an example where we can't comprehend how it could have been constructed in the time-frame it was, or for the modest price we know was paid. Today, even with modern technology at hand, we've spent vastly longer and vastly more money just restoring problematic bits of it. There are plenty of unanswered questions in history.