Iron Man-like Exoskeleton Nears Production 220
fangmcgee writes "By now, with films like Iron Man, its sequel, and Avatar, Hollywood has made us thoroughly familiar with the idea of the robotic exoskeleton. Less well known, however, is that researchers are actually building robotic exoskeletons like the ones envisioned by Hollywood and the comic book visionaries from whom Hollywood pilfers its most lucrative ideas. Among the developers of real-life Iron Man suits (of which there are many, the world over) is a group called Raytheon Sarcos. And as IEEE Spectrum reports in this month's issue, its impressive second-generation exoskeleton robotics suit, dubbed the XOS 2, is nearing production."
Drinks are on me. (Score:2)
Not Skynet enough (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems like a major purpose of these is to have soldiers wear an exoskeleton to make them more formidable both offensively and defensively.
But can't you just skip the middleman (literally) and just have good ol' fashion killbots?
I mean, what's the point of having actual people involved in a process so minor as, well, killing people?
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Also, once your adversary reaches the same technological level the end result is having robots fight other robots.
Well, it's all very clean and neat then:
1. Two armies of robots fight it out in a huge but very confined conflagration.
2. Eventually, one side defeats the other and eradicates all their robots.
3. Whatever victorious robots remain then, of course, go ahead and exterminate the entire enemy civilian population.
See how neat and clean that is? Warfare will be much more decisive and the following peace will certainly be much longer-lasting.
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Not a problem if the civilians are prepared.
Needed:
1. Area for robots to go through that is on fire. To heat the robots up. This does not stop them but readies for step 2
2. EMP directed at the robots. Hardened robots still go through.
3. A nice liquid O2 or liquid nitrogen bath. Makes the robots hard and brittle.
4. Wreaking ball. This cracks them up.
Burning the robots should melt some parts of them. That should stop many of them. Short circuited robots do less if anything. Fire and the EMP should be used to
Re:Not Skynet enough (Score:4, Interesting)
"A Short History of World War LXXVIII" by Roy Prosterman: Wars among nations are simple deathmatches between unmanned robotic war machines fought on the moon, broadcast world-wide. The combatant whose warbot is the last one standing is the party (nation, coalition, etc) that wins. Outcomes are binding; the treaty empowering this is enforced by a neutral standing army capable of quickly defeating any nation that defies this and charged with personally (and capitally) punishing the leadership of any party that violates the treaty.
An amusing and improbable little short story. I always wondered what would happen if you declared war on the supra-national organization enforcing the treaty.
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An amusing and improbable little short story. I always wondered what would happen if you declared war on the supra-national organization enforcing the treaty.
You would lose.
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I'm more concerned with what is keeping them from simply controlling the world outright.
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Acknowledging that I read that story 25 years ago, I'll admit I didn't see the point of my original question and the logical conclusion you arrive at: The only real power in that world was the UN-analogue that enforced the treaty. The rest of it was, to not quite coin a phrase, "sovereignty theater".
What can I say? I was a teenager. I hadn't realized yet to look for the real state of things behind the visible ones.
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Why not just make it a simulation and have the civilian casualties report to nice, clean incineration chambers? (For those not familiar, this is the plot of an episode of Star Trek.)
Re:Not Skynet enough (Score:4, Interesting)
Or perhaps you were looking for a more generic reference of the idea like The Forever War? [tvtropes.org]
What robots are you using? (Score:2)
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If you tell a human to do something, it might respond or it might do something completely different.
This could happen with a robot, in a literal genie sort of way; computers have a habit of doing what you tell them, not necessarily what you want them to do.
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So we can be happy that Stanislav Petrov was not a robot ? !!
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Seems like a major purpose of these is to have soldiers wear an exoskeleton to make them more formidable both offensively and defensively.
Actually, the main idea right now is for rear echelon troops or soldiers stationed in FOBs to move around materiel/supplies/other heavy stuff while in base, to avoid injuries. Eventually, they'd like to get the weight/power supply small enough to allow troops to wear assistive devices while on patrol. A 2-3 day patrol in mountains almost 2 miles above sea level is bad enough. It's a lot worse when you have to hump 100+lbs of gear at that altitude also.
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Came here to say this: How come we haven't built one of those loaders yet? All the tech for that is definitely available...
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Just look up forklift stunts on youtube and I think you may answer your own question
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Yep. Plus, the caterpillar loaders can be near external power, meaning the wearer doesn't have to worry about the added weight imposed by the power source. A 2-3 day patrol is going to need some pretty serious power storage and generation. These systems are great for hauling 100 lbs worth of equipment, but how good are they at 100 lbs of equipment plus that in generators and fuel?
Remember, the breakthrough that made Iron Man possible even in the movie was not a breakthrough in robotics, armor or servomot
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Money. It's the cost of the Lotus Notes licenses that's preventing us from deploying killbots.
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Money. It's the cost of the Lotus Notes licenses that's preventing us from deploying killbots.
Couldn't they just grab a copy of MySQL, Eudora and Edlin and call it a day?
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Money. It's the cost of the Lotus Notes licenses that's preventing us from deploying killbots.
Couldn't they just grab a copy of MySQL, Eudora and Edlin and call it a day?
Definitely not, that would be exceeding the specifications.
Re:Not Skynet enough (Score:5, Insightful)
These would be absolutely terrific for combat loading [wikipedia.org], though, and don't underestimate how important that is. Imagine an aircraft comes in for resupply, a cohort of engineers in these suits...you could reload and refuel MUCH faster. The force efficacy of an asset is a function of that time.
So you optimize the suit to work for maybe forty five minutes, and then have hot swappable batteries.
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In those circumstances, cables, protocols and cable tenders would even work. Imagine you're in the suit, you are restricted to this area around the airframe, your cable is on an automatic spool and you do a set series of movements worked out ahead of time to minimize crossing your own path. Cables may be a pain, but that means your lifting capacity is fully devoted to ordinance and fuel, rather than ordinance, fuel and your batteries.
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Gigaflops per pound is the problem (Score:2)
even given the problems in "programming" an actual human brain in the suit/bot is our best bet for getting the job done (plus humans can redirect according to "in theature" situations).
Re:Not Skynet enough (Score:5, Insightful)
Slow down! (Score:2)
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Killbot gets shot: replace with another $100-million killbot.
Man in exoskeleton gets shot: replace with another $11k/year man.
Don't think they don't do that kind of math at the Pentagon. It's why it's there.
Kind of a crappy demo (Score:2)
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Yup. That pulldown looked like it felt like 35 lbs.
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Lets see you do that 1000 times in a row... every day.
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Yes, but how long can you keep that up?
Longer than the suit's batteries.
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First of all, wake from your wet dream. Second of all, its tethered.
Realistically, you're not going to do that for more than fifteen minutes or so - double if you're an extra ordinary athlete. Whereas with this, you can literally do a full day's work doing nothing else.
You see the difference? In your example, its literally a delusion. That's a big difference.
We will need this! (Score:3)
We will need this if we want to fight off the super intelligent apes.
Nice terminal font... (Score:3)
I like how the opening of the video starts with a flashing TTY-like cursor, and then scans across the screen, 1,200 baud style, but uses ... ....a serif proportional font????
How many US Taxpayer dollars wasted on this? (Score:2)
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Got a source for that sig?
The numbers seem a bit off, so I am asking. Looks like you left off some wars or something.
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Basically summed up Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Other Mandatory Programs (this includes such things as unemployment, food stamps, military disability, etc...) for Entitlements. The rest are pretty straightforward. Didn't even touch other discretionary spending (105 billion), which I'm sure actually also probably includes some defense spending, and Department of State (51.7 billion), which pays for mercenaries. Wars are part of the DoD budget, they've just been going on a long time
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Why do you consider it wasted? Less injury, and fewer personal to do the same work. Sounds like a saving to me.
But, hey if its taxes it's automatically a waste, isn't it? dumb ass.
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None, this is a tremendously useful technology that will revolutionize at least two different industries when they nail it.
The better question is why one would shill for the Tea Party without being paid for the damage to ones reputation.
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Yeah, because giving someone the ability to life hundreds of pounds, thousands of times a day has zero applications in the nonmilitary world. A certainly, the concept couldn't be modified to help disabled people live fuller lives.
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Wasted?
I want one of those things so bad I can smell it.
I wonder if they'll bundle it with a minigun...
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Exactly, I agree 100%. There are non-military applications to this (warehouse workers, nurses using it for patient care, returning mobility to the injured/ill, and so on). This is the creation of an industry that may see big returns. The fact that the initial use for it is military doesn't mean that it is limited to that functionality forever.
Also, as cool as this looks, what we will have in fifty years will make this look like a bunch of tinker toys powered by springs and rubber bands. But the first genera
Not Iron Man, Ripley (Score:2)
That exoskeleton is way too vulnerable. On the other hand, think of what Ripley used in Aliens. *That* would be a great use of this: try picking up a pallet in your bare hands....
mark
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Yeah "We got synthetic humans, but if you want to move heavy stuff, you got to operate it your self."
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Right now yes, but first you get the basic technology down, then you work on hardening it. What you're suggesting would be like trying to build predator drones without first having figured out how to build toy airplanes.
The suit is one thing... (Score:3)
The power supply seems more critical part... as it clearly can't be 'on board' with current technology, having a fixed power (electrical and/or hydraulic) source or a large generator on a truck nearby connected with an umbilical isn't very attractive for many application. Maybe a smaller, mobile (on track or wheels), power source that follows the suit might be interesting for many combat or civilian operations (disaster SAR comes to mind).
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Likely because the amount of fuel one would need to carry to do so would make it impractical or hinder it to the point of erasing any benefit it has over standard methods.
Fixed.
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That would need you need lots of fuel. It would also be loud, have a dangerous fuel and be totally useless in many possible applications.
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The power output of such a motor is maybe a few hundred Watts... add to this loss in electrical conversion and hydraulic conversion, you won't do much with the suit.
My gut feeling tells me you need nominally a few kilowatts for that thing. It may be possible and give enough autonomy (eg. fuel) to be practical in a few specific applications, but the mass of the power backpack my destabilize the suit too much. Keeping the center of gravity in a comfortable position will be hard and increase the weight of the
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That was my thought too.
But I imagine a gas-powered engine would burn through a tank really quick. Plus there's the whole safety issue: said gas-tank would have to be big, and god forbid anything happen while you have a firebomb strapped to your back. At least cars are able to enclose that stuff and put firewalls between the engine and the passenger
If you went with the "huge backpack of Li-Ion battery cells" route then you have other problems. Batteries are fsking heavy. A huge backpack of those would
Robitic exoskeleton in Avatar? (Score:2)
What was the robotic exoskeleton in Avatar? Did they already make a sequel? Did I miss something?
You mean those glorified loaders with guns? Pfft. I suppose, but as exoskeleton-ish as an Apache helicopter is. Ripley had the real deal, if only she had time to strap a flamethrower onto it. And while we're at it, Matrix '3' had those.
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Revolutions, if I recall.
Power Supply (Score:2)
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In the video he explains they are now at 50% power usage of xo1, and hope to get to 20% of its usage in order to be able have onboard power, my guess is the thing uses so much power currently its not feasible, and even at 20% power usage of the 1st model its probably only powered via onboard sources for a very short time, less than an hour. Once you get onboard power it will weigh significantly more. Even if you have to use a tether it may be useful when loading a lot of very heavy individual things that
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loading a lot of very heavy individual things that require dexterity, but it seems like such a specific application
That's not "specific", it's about as vague as it gets. If you don't have to design for particular tool sets, and can make 100-lb things as generically manipulable as 1-lb things, you've saved enormously from concept to EOL. It could change the way all sorts of things look.
This kind of support is an exoskeleton (Score:2)
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Disaster Response (Score:2)
A Case for Quanitative Analysis (Score:2)
Soon I will be able to tell everyone on /. (Score:2)
Including my mom. From my basement bedroom.
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No trolling for you.
What happens if the power fails? (Score:2)
Uses Ethernet (Score:2)
Can You Ride a Segway In One? (Score:2)
Wrong movie references (Score:2)
It's odd that of the movies mentioned, none was the most obviously appropriate. The prototype demonstrated is much more similar to the power loaders in Aliens than anything in the Iron Man and Avatar movies.
What Failure Looks Like (Score:2)
Looks awesome, but it seems like it is only a matter of time before something fails on the communication end of things and the suit rips an arm or leg off or beats the operator senseless. I'll be watching for the youtube video.
That said, I plan to live to a very VERY old age and wear one of these to help me get around. They didn't mention the elderly as a possible target market, but I can see it.
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To be honest, I was watching that a few nights ago and commented that they must be getting pretty close to being able to deploy those. The technology has to be pretty much there, I'd expect it to be mostly down to making them cost effective.
seriously Verhoven, WTF?!!! (Score:2)
not that I'm bitter or anything...
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They're going more for Starship Troopers (Score:2)
The power armor of mobile infantry.
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Wait for the 2015 model year (Score:2)
As a former soldier myself, I'd love to see the auto-sleep function. Maximize your sleeping time when you'd otherwise waste too much time going to sleep and waking up.
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I think you're right (Score:2)
Either way, it would have been great. No bothering with sleeping bags in the freezing cold or baking in the roasting desert either, just instantly out in a temperature-regulated suit.
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I personally see the bigger missing piece being the actual "armor" aspect of the Iron Man armored suit...
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Re:awesome (Score:4, Funny)
Can you imagine jerking it with that thing.
It would certainly give a whole new meaning to the "off" part.
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I though it would be more of a joint suit with Apple and IBM XOS 2 With one name you infringe on two trademarks... Well done.
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It's SOX spelled backwards. I'm pretty sure that Apple wouldn't have any more of a claim to it than the various folks that have a claim to sox.
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Considering I saw this video a year ago, "nearing production" is a relative term. They do mention the article the same thing that's been holding these devices back, which is the lack of a non-tethered power source.
Until we get past that hurdle, I wouldn't say it's anywhere near production.
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If we get past that little hurdle, ICE cars will be dead.
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Since when are you able to measure force in mass per area squared
Since some idiot converted psi to kgscm.