Bing Search Overtakes Yahoo 169
SharkLaser writes "Microsoft's Bing search engine has overtaken Yahoo for the first time. While both Bing, Yahoo and a bunch of meta-search engines like the privacy-oriented DuckDuckGo use Bing's back-end, it clearly shows Yahoo's declining market share. comScore has also released its search data for 2011 — overall, Bing gained 3.1% of market share while Yahoo lost 1.5% and Google lost 0.7%. Yahoo's new CEO Scott Thompson has lots of work to do."
Yahoo? (Score:1)
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So use http://search.yahoo.com/ [yahoo.com]
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>Just tried yahoo search for the first time... the results page looks quite similar to google, surprised me.
Yes, totally. Their background white is also much whiter than the google background white... I can read much better when I use Yahoo... It is like I have a 20/20 vision for search results..
Not a fanboi.. but I totally think Yahoo is underrated and should be used by everyone..
Re:Yahoo? (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyone who bases a search engines capabilities on contrast of whiteness (?) is either trying to make a joke, or is indeed a fanboy.
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I accidentally searched on ask.com the other day too (no, really, the library had the toolbar installed). when the results came up, I realized that the entire first page was sponsored ads, with only two 'search results' on the page being real results. BUT, the layout of the results was very much like google's. colors, layout, etc. Not sure how much of that's just defaulting to browser color scheme for links, but I don't think all of it is.
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Well, Google's search result styling is very much like other search engines that preceded it. Infoseek comes to mind...
Re:Yahoo? (Score:5, Insightful)
I smell a marketing campaign targeted against Google. Yahoo is powered by Bing. DuckduckGoo also powered by Bing.
I still prefer Google's track record on privacy over MS's or FB's. Not that I'm not worried about privacy, it is getting very difficult to escape the all seeing eyes...
Re:Yahoo? (Score:5, Interesting)
I was using Yahoo! for years. Up until they started pushing pop up/pop under ads. At that point they were Google powered, and I asked myself - "if I'm just getting Google results, why not use Google?"
If their search engine is Bing - why not just use Bing?
The new CEO needs to figure out the answer to that question.
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If their search engine is Bing - why not just use Bing?
The new CEO needs to figure out the answer to that question.
More than likely, his answer will be the same as his predecessor: "people don't go to Yahoo for search results: they go for the /experience/."
Or some equally inane marketing bullshit. Anyway, it's an interesting idea- I'll give them that. Google already has the market pretty well cornered on a search page that only does search, so Yahoo is trying to capture the "people who want a search page so cluttered with info you can barely locate the search bar" demographic. All joking aside, it is somewhat nice to
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And Yahoo is apparently a marketing-driven company (Score:3)
I interviewed a half dozen Yahoo employees while I worked for "another" search engine company. I asked them why they were leaving. Four of them said (basically) that it was because Yahoo doesn't care about engineers or ideas, just eyeballs and money. If your project doesn't show good numbers, no matter how much better the user experience might be if it was adopted, your project will languish or be canceled. One guy mentioned that his group's hardware was cast-
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This is exactly what I was talking about. You can tell when a marketer is running a company versus an engineer.
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I like the news-at-a-glance. So much so that I still have Yahoo as my homepage. Of course I use Google when I want to search, but Yahoo's still cool.
Re:Yahoo? (Score:5, Interesting)
I wondered that too. And the funny thing is, if it's the case, it might work -- I didn't know that DuckDuckGo was powered by Bing and, now that I do, it changes the way I feel about them. All of a sudden they aren't the champions of freedom that I thought them to be.
I just went over to their site and searched around. No mention anywhere that they're Bing powered. They must know that if they do have ties to Bing and they try to hide it, it'll hurt their image.
I wonder if it is FUD. There's just one article I found about DuckDuckGo being Bing powered (because of the similar low placement of Libre-Office when you search for Open Source Office on DDG and Bing), but it doesn't have anything concrete, just 'what ifs' and 'maybes'. Does anybody have a more official announcement on the matter? Do we know if DDG get money from Bing for using their results?
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I wondered that too. And the funny thing is, if it's the case, it might work -- I didn't know that DuckDuckGo was powered by Bing and, now that I do, it changes the way I feel about them.
Wow, so just because you only now realized that they use MS technology their search engine is suddenly worse? Talk about hating just for the purpose of hating.
And you get mention of Bing when you search something and scroll down. There's this:
results by Bing
built with Yahoo
What does this mean?
Re:Yahoo? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think the distaste is for the technology, although there may be technical reasons. The distaste is for Microsoft's commercial practices.
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You're a fucking moron DCTech/NorthKorea/CmdrPony/whoever-else-you-are.
Yeah. [insert thing here] isn't bad - for proof, just look at all those people raping and killing people!
When you actually look at MS business practices, you see them being the sleaze of the earth. "you have to smile when you pull the trigger", etc. Assholes. Assholes that you admire, obviously.
tl;dr You're a fucking moron.
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Why are you calling me a moron when answering an AC? Besides, Microsoft hardly did anything evil. Both Apple and Google are being much more evil now a days. Gee, your OS comes with a browser so you don't need to ftp to some address you don't even know to get a browser. Outrageous!
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Because you constantly switch your main account, and you probably use AC too.
I don't care about the browser coming with the OS thing, I care about the stuff that I bothered to post a month or two ago but can't be arsed repeating to you. The management culture in MS in the 90s was demonstrated as completely rotten, and Ballmer is still in charge. Nothing has changed apart from they have to watch their step more. Both MS and Intel have used their monopoly positions to try to scare their clients into not deali
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Sorry, but no. Microsoft is still as of today essentially mugging people (both device makers and by extension their buyers) by charging for the FAT patents.
The damn patent consists essentially on converting "longfilename.txt" to "LONGFI~1.TXT" - behold the innovation! - and for that they are able to extort any organization that wants to work with their monopolist OS (which was in large part gained through shady deals with OEMs).
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Sorry, but no. Microsoft is still as of today essentially mugging people (both device makers and by extension their buyers) by charging for the FAT patents.
The damn patent consists essentially on converting "longfilename.txt" to "LONGFI~1.TXT" - behold the innovation! - and for that they are able to extort any organization that wants to work with their monopolist OS (which was in large part gained through shady deals with OEMs).
And, of course, there is absolutely no alternative to using FAT or indeed Windows.
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If you're a device maker, you can't choose what OS your clients use nor what filesystem such OS will support.
Besides, if I decide to walk through a bad neighborhood instead of paying for a cab and get mugged, is the thief not guilty because I could have taken the cab?
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Ballmer is still there, and as soon as their antitrust oversight was over, there were articles of MS using scummy tactics again. Let's wait and see what happens to Nokia.
Others bad acts never excuse your own (Score:1)
Something you should note, digest and accept.
Just because Pol Pot didn't kill as many as Hitler or Stalin or Mao doesn't mean he should get a pass for his evil acts.
Neither should Microsoft because of other companies acting badly.
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I've been a professional programmer for something like 12 years, and in that time I've spent the majority of my time working with Microsoft tools and systems. I still do, in fact. Before that, I was an MSCE engineer for about 3 years. I don't hate for the sake of hating, I just don't like Microsoft because, well, they've proven themselves untrustworthy time and time again. Maybe I'm a hypocrite, but Microsoft have left a bad taste in my mouth and it is going to take something extraordinary before I'll even
Re:Yahoo? (Score:5, Informative)
Here's the info [duckduckgo.com] you're looking for.
They have their own webcrawler, but it's young and doesn't have much data yet, so general search results come mostly from Bing/Yahoo, judging by few queries.
Let's wait and see if it'll grow out of conveniency privacy/aggregation wrapper to become a real competing search engine.
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Thanks -- somebody else also pointed out the link that gets shown next to the search results (and it points to the same page you linked). I should have seen that.
I agree with your sentiment, they do deserve time to grow in to something bigger -- I wonder if they will ever have the resources to build their own index though. It looks like the decision to use Bing is purely technical/engineering (they need cheap search results and there aren't many places to get them -- I know from experience that the Google A
Powered by Bing? (Score:3)
Re:Yahoo? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I smell a marketing campaign targeted against Google. Yahoo is powered by Bing.
And the changes Nov-Dec 2011 are:
* +0.5 Google
* +0.1 Bing
* -0.6 Yahoo
In other words, 0.5% of the global search volume moved from Bing-powered to Google-powered in a single month.
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I don't know about your experience, but when I first start up chrome I get the question which search engine I'd like to use. I'm sure it's the same in IE.
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Duckduckgo is not powered by Bing. The FAQ states:
DuckDuckGo gets its results from over 50 sources, including DuckDuckBot (our own crawler), crowd-sourced sites (in our own index), Yahoo! BOSS, embed.ly, WolframAlpha, EntireWeb, Bing & Blekko. For any given search, there is usually a vertical search engine out there that does a better job at answering it than a general search engine. Our long-term goal is to get you information from that best source, ideally in instant answer form.
http://help.duckduckgo.com/customer/portal/articles/216399-sources [duckduckgo.com]
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I smell a marketing campaign targeted against Google. Yahoo is powered by Bing. DuckduckGoo also powered by Bing.
Technically, DuckDuckGo is powered by 32 different search engines (not just one).
And Bing is powered [blogspot.com] by Google, so it's coming full circle.
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>That thing still has a search engine?
lol... after 14 years of google i also struggle to find yahoo's search bar between all those ads...
the yahoo frontpage is an asshole..
No that it goatse you are thinking of.
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I can't take this seriously. Right at the top. Nice big search entry box. Bright yello, big, "Search" button.
Mind you, I just go to my.yahoo.com.
I believe I've also contributed to Bing's rise... (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's how I have contributed:
I used to employ Google for all kinds of web searches, but over the last few month's, I realized (by accident), that Bing's video search returns were better presented (but not necessarily more relevant) than Google's.
Particularly, I have come to love Bing's playing of the videos when the mouse is hovered over them. Google has nothing close! Google should watch out.
Re:I believe I've also contributed to Bing's rise. (Score:5, Interesting)
That's a great feature in Bing, actually. Especially if looking for more adult material. Another thing is that Google has really crapped their design lately. It relies heavily on javascript and they've gone and hidden the cached link in the side panel that opens when you hover it. It's slow and clumsy. Same thing happened to their image search. It's sad because Google always took pride in providing clear, useful interface, but not anymore. I guess they get more ad clicks by frustrating users who use the normal search.
Re:I believe I've also contributed to Bing's rise. (Score:4, Interesting)
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I believe the way the cache links and hover to view a preview are now there like thatto so google can say it takes user action to get those to show up so google is not technically infringing copyright, the user is requesting it, etc. Kinda annoying really.
Re:I believe I've also contributed to Bing's rise. (Score:5, Funny)
That's a great feature in Bing, actually. Especially if looking for more adult material.
so Bing is the porn search engine of choice?
gives "let me Bing that for you" a whole different meaning.
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so Bing is the porn search engine of choice?
- don't be so dismissive of the killer application for the entire Internet.
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I've contributed as well, but unwittingly as a result of msn.com's misleading "Feature Story" links. Each link is not really an article, but rather a pre-canned Bing search. This sort of practice has got to be skewing results, since people who click these links did not necessarily intend to use Bing.
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"I have come to love Bing's playing of the videos when the mouse is hovered over them."
If only Yahoo! News could incorporate that so the videos, that are always "no longer available", show that message instead of users having to wait through an advertisement and 12 cookies. Sadly, advertisements and cookies are the only 2 things that seem to work properly on Yahoo! any longer. IMHO of course.
Re:I believe I've also contributed to Bing's rise. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Google's pulled a lot of dumb moves recently. It used to be that if you disabled instant search you could get your search bar back at the bottom of the search results page. Now it's just gone permanently. You have no choice but to scroll back to the top of the page to change your query. Google says this is by design; they want you to use instant search, so you can just hit backspace and edit your search query string from anywhere on the page. But half the time I can't remember exactly what I typed, so
The results still suck (Score:5, Informative)
MS is making inroads through partnerships, interesting presentation of search results(like video searches), and putting using Bing as the default in their OS (just like they did with IE). However, I still get better results with Google over Bing even when looking for stuff on microsoft.com. It really becomes frustrating when you are on a MS site and can't find something (that you know exists) because the site's search tool is powered by Bing. Yes, Google needs competition but Bing isn't it. Sad for MS but true.
Re:The results still suck (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, Google needs competition but Bing isn't it. Sad for MS but true.
At this point there won't be anyone else than can compete with Google either. Now a days search engines rely heavily on datamining and especially keyword data supplied by users when searching. It's also the reason why Google datamines so much. With their market share they get significantly more data than Bing, especially long tail keywords and keywords people search less often.
Google also relies on looking which result users choose and if they return back from that site. If user chooses a particular search, it means the user thinks it's relevant and could be good. But if he quickly returns back from the site, it means he didn't find the information he was looking for from that results. That is also data that Google gets much more just because they have so much more users.
So all in all, if it wasn't for Microsoft, we would only have Google. No one else can compete with them at this point. Interestingly, Google is failing in Russia, China and South Korea where local companies got the market share before Google, and they can't really do much about it. Google tried to play dirty tricks in Russia by disabling the initial search engine choice dialog [posterous.com] and defaulting to Google instead of Yandex, but they were quickly called of it and had to stop that practice.
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Wow...That was difficult. [/sarcasm] (Score:4, Insightful)
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I think the only thing keeping Yahoo in the Search market are the various software packages that try to push the Yahoo Toolbar during install, and ISPs that use it as the their default Homepage during setup.
Google is changing that though, as they're been heavily pushing Chrome with software installs, OEM's and ISPs. So instead of Yahoo toolbar or Bonzi Buddy, you now get Chrome when you install some software. How delightful.
And in other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Sales for the Zune have overtaken sales for the Sony Walkman.
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"sony walkman".
I'm on file as a sony hater, these days. I boycott sony for many reasons.
but in my youth, when walkmans first came out they were *excellent* machines. well built, good design, good sound, reliable mechanism. the non-sony clones usually sucked and it took 5-10 years before the others learned how to make phones and cassette 'drives' that small be hi-fi and reliable.
sony is crap now. at least their consumer divisions are (sony pro audio and video is entirely different, but we never touch tho
Does that include... (Score:2)
Yahoo and Bing search results aren't all that diff (Score:5, Interesting)
Cross post for a pic from reddit.com [imgur.com]
There's always a reason why people still prefer using Google. The only reason why I can see people using Bing or Yahoo is because that's the default engine on their web browser or something like that.
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How much would you like to put? There is also 7,5 million monthly searches in Google for 'bing'.
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who'd have thought Bing Crosby and Bing surfboards were that popular!
Unless they're searching for Carmella Bing [wikipedia.org], as I'm told that Bing is the best porn search engine [slashdot.org] :)
Due to Google Instant and other crap? (Score:4, Interesting)
So, how much of this swing away from Google is due to the seriously annoying things they have done recently including, but not limited to, Google Instant (seriously annoying), Google Preview (irritating and annoying) and screwing over the gmail interface.
As for the third, in this day and age there is no excuse.
As for the first two... I use other search engines in places where I can't disable google instant and google preview. I find both of them so annoying that I waste more time disabling them than actually using the search engine. The interface gets in the way of the function. Yes, there are ways to ignore and bypass these irritations.. but why I am wasting effect on doing so?
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here here. and i suspect that plus integrated search results will only pollute what i am looking for.
I've been using bing more often simply due to mistrust of google and its honestly not THAT bad. I think its necessary to give the competition a chance, if only to keep google on their toes. Not that I like to support microsoft, but they're currently the only competitor in a position to keep Google honest.
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I've been using bing more often simply due to mistrust of google
You trust Microsoft? Why?
And using an inferior product just so the superior product has competetion doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Microsoft has historically only competed when they've been forced to; look at the clucterfuck IE was after Netscape died. It never got any better until Mozilla and Opera. If they can get users even with an inferior product, why would they be compelled to improve that product? MS had search long before Google, ba
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So, how much of this swing away from Google is due to the seriously annoying things
My off-hand guess is that it's approximately 0%. I'd bet most of the reason people are moving to Bing is that people have bought new computers with Windows 7, and Bing is the default search. Also, Microsoft changed the selector to set a different search engine provider, and it's ultimately a bigger pain in the butt to change providers.
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As a heavy gmail user, the new interface is great. There's nothing not to like about it - it's more flexible, has more features and better implemented than the old interface.
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I take your opinion on board.. but it doesn't match my current experience with gmail. I have reverted to the old interface 4 times now. Every time I have submitted a report with issues with the new interface.
So... you don't find the new interface to be an eye strain?
No issues with the new message layout?
The themes are not screwed up for you? (I am going to miss the ocean theme)
You don't find having a huge red button blaring at you annoying?
You like icons with no labels? You don't find yourself subconsciousl
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"screwing over the gmail interface" this.
If only I could lay my hands on the scoundrel that does this. First, they annoyingly push it to you, which I consistently decline, then they just force it onto you.
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I use '1' and '2' in Opera to move between tabs, and Google's interface keeps taking focus and putting whatever I type in the search box, even if I removed focus from it. I disabled javascript for google. Their interface is really irritating, and thankfully I can use the 'g' shortcut in the address bar of Opera to search, and don't go through Google's page directly.
Mod parent up (Score:2)
Yes. This.
I should have included a mention of the removal of + with the replacement of " " - it drives me nuts.
Although, I am finding their 'natural language search' "feature" to be more irritating. You search for key words including 'website' and it returns results including 'web' and 'site' .. but I know I am looking for "website".
Also, I've found that dissimilar searches.. are returning very similar search results. It is like google has cached the original search.. and is now throwing half of the origina
High Five Territory For Microsoft (Score:4, Funny)
That's a high five moment for Ballmer right up there with the Zune out-selling one or two unbranded, generic mp3 players.
Unsustainable (Score:1)
I doubt even MS can keep this up - they have to buy vast quantities of their traffic. Whilst there's probably a bit more left in the budget (which of course they hope will take them to the tipping point where it becomes self-sustaining), if they aren't careful, they'll run out of money and be back on the decline.
Bing Rewards on XBL (Score:1)
might have helped a bit.
What are bing and yahoo? oh wait... (Score:5, Funny)
How many of those users actually selected Bing? (Score:5, Interesting)
Bing is not gaining market share by being good - it's gaining it because MS is using their OS monopoly to "trick" users into using Bing. I say this as someone who generally likes Microsoft, too. When it comes to someone changing my browsers settings - any of them - without asking me, I get really pissed off.
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then change them back using group policy to force Google on everyone.
http://www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-7/61275-ie8-default-google-search-via-gpo-some-other-method.html [edugeek.net]
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I know people who use Bing because google search results, for the queries they do, are so flooded with spammer sites as to be useless.
For example if I search for "ipad 3 release date" on google most of the sites are clearly spammer sites designed to catch that particular query. On Bing only two of the results are those sites and the rest are from actual tech coverage of the question.
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I just searched for "ipad 3 release date" with no quotes.
Bing gives me 3/10 SEO spam links. Google gives me 7/10 (!!!!) SEO spam links.
That's a significant difference.
Bing:
www.ipad3-release.com
blogs.computerworld.com/19558/ipad_3_release_date_specs_features
www.ipad3releasedates.net
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/ipad-3-release-date-price-it
www.thetechlabs.com/tech-news/ipad-3-features
www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ipad-3-release-date.
www.iphonestuffs4u.com/ipad-3-release-date-features
www.techrada
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Considering that people search for Bing on Google , yes, people do choose to use Bing. It's not a small number - there's close 10 million searches per month for Bing related queries on Google alone.
You can check search query data here [slashdot.org]. Remember to change to [exact] search on match types so that it shows real search amount for specific queries.
[bing] 7,480,000 ...
I wonder how many people search for [google] using Bing. Does Bing have a similarly useful way to see their search data? I had a quick look but couldn't find anything (and the one thing I did find was their top searches, which didn't include numbers).
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[google] 277,000,000
[google search] 1,000,000
[search google] 49,500 (vs [bing search] 60,500)
[google maps] 45,500,000 (vs [bing map] 74,000)
[google images] 3,350,000 (vs [bing images] 90,500)
Win7 and IE Bing lock-in (Score:2)
I helped my father-in-law get a new Dell machine up and running over the Christmas break and was seriously astonished at how many steps are required now to make Google the default search agent in IE rather than Bing. A novice user has effectively no chance to avoid using Bing.
I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been more backlash against it, but I guess this shit is less
It's about simplicity of interface (Score:1)
"Lots of work to do" (Score:2)
And, to compete against Bing, "lots of work to do" means to create an OS running on the vast majority of the world's workstations, bundle a web browser that's used by default and "can't be removed from the operating system" and make their search engine the default in the search box or if you make a typo in the address bar.
Make no mistake, I'm not fan of Yahoo but the rise of Bing is certainly not due to the quality of its search results, real or imagined.
Pre-installed advantage (Score:2)
Does this really have anything to do with the quality of Bing search results and people choosing it or, as I suspect, is this just a side effect of Bing being the default search engine in Internet Explorer?
I've also noticed that it's harder than it used to be to change IE over to Google as the default search engine.
Long Live Alta Vista (Score:2)
After long ago abandoning Alta Vista for Google, I've recently found myself compelled to return, for one simple reason; Google try too hard to tell me what I'm looking for.
What I mean is this, Google are not content to let me tell them what I want to find. Their search algorithms now completely discount my use of quotation marks to group words, or to try to indicate that I really want whatever unlikely word I enter. Many of the old tricks for hinting to the search engine that you mean what you say are now
Here, do a "Bing .vs. Yahoo" Google Search (Score:2)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cripple+fight [google.com]
perhaps... (Score:2)
What the hell, I'll give it a shot (Score:2)
With all the recent G+ shenanigans [searchengineland.com] I'm going to change my browser's default search to Bing for a week and see how it goes. I'll add a link-bar shortcut to Google in case I'm not happy with any particular search, but I have the "go to the search box" keyboard shortcut so totally ingrained in my muscle memory that it'll take conscious effort to use Google.
I'm not saying I'll quit Google forever, because what if MS does something sleazy soon, but competition is supposed to make things better for all of us, so
Yahoo has search? (Score:2)
Wow. I guess after you dig past all the "news", "email", "groups", "ads", and "other crap" they still have search.
How Quaint.
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Yeah, that's not paranoid at all. There's a much higher change that users would change to Google instead of Bing, and since Microsoft gets paid for the Yahoo deal, why would they deliberately shoot themselves in to leg?
Microsoft pays Yahoo not the other way around (Score:1)
Yahoo LOSES customers with Bing results, whereas Bing GAINS customers, with the SAME RESULT DATA. So immediately I'd want to make sure it is the same they serve, and at the same speed.
Also note that Microsofts 'cost of revenue' increased due to the Yahoo deal, as though Microsoft paid Yahoo to get that traffic and to be able to serve adverts to them.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-01-27/tech/30087727_1_bing-default-search-engine-microsoft
So yeh, I would check carefully if Microsoft are screwing Yah
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Since you've been moderated "troll" by an obviously paid Microsoft shill, I'll let them waste some more mod points modding me down, too. You said "So, a shitty useless search engine overtakes a lame search engine. No wonder Yahoo is so useless it uses Bing." I agree completely.
The only person I know who uses Yahhoo is my 83 year old mother. I don't know anyone who uses Bing, for obvious reasons (it's second rate crapware).
Now go on, shill, mod me "troll" because you diasgree with my OPINION (and obviously n
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So then how come negative "opinions" on linux are modded as troll ? Do you call that "shilling" for commercial linux companies? Its easy to ignore bias if you already agree with that position.
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I'd say they're just fanboys, and modding someone down for not liking Linux is as bad as modding someone down for not liking Windows, unless it's just retarded (like "You Windows lusers don't even have a CLI" when in fact it's always had a CLI available).
It's possible that RedHat does employ shills; I have no clue. But some of the marketspeak comments about Windows (and other software companies as well) are obviously shills. Or maybe not, maybe they're just fools who swallow that marketspeak they saw elsewh
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Here's another reason - they played a snippet from SNL on the radio this morning, a Jimmy Fallon parody of David Bowie, "Tebowie". It was funny so I googled for an mp3 of it; there were videos but no MP3. So I search from BitTorrent, and a Bing page comes up, with few of the results having anything to do with Fallon, Bowie, or Tebow. No MP3s and no Tebowie at all.
I'm starting to believe that nobody uses Bing on purpose. The only way anybody gets there is from companies MS has paid. It's disgusting.