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US Labor Board: It's OK To Discuss Work and Pay with Coworkers On Social Sites 289

Posted by samzenpus
from the lets-talk-numbers dept.
itwbennett writes "Your employer won't like it, but they can't stop you from discussing working conditions and compensation with your coworkers on social media. In his most recent social media memo, National Labor Relations Board General Counsel Lafe Solomon said that in 6 of the 7 employers' social media policies he reviewed, he found violations of Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act, which allows employees to join labor unions and to discuss working conditions with each other."
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US Labor Board: It's OK To Discuss Work and Pay with Coworkers On Social Sites

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  • Re:hey! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wierd_w (1375923) on Wednesday June 06, 2012 @09:20PM (#40239615)

    Probably.

    Business is a cuthroat enterprise. As such, there is a clear, and present advantage to shafting employees and keeping them ignorant with information control. If you can pay your people peanuts and get away with it, why on earth would you ever want them to know that they are getting shafted? Profit man! Profit! Its why you started the business!

    The difference is that I am not a bloodthirsty, elitist bastard MFer that wants a free lunch, and more shockingly, I don't feel I am entitled to one, and feel I should be paid according to a fair and equitable standard.

    This is because I am a fair and equitable person.

    As pointed out in the grandparent, the real reason for these information control polices is exactly antithetical to that viewpoint. Claiming it results in a more harmonious workplace when people don't know about the bullshit is a no brainer. Nobody wants to put up with bullshit.

    The problem is that the bullshit is so endemic, that its business as usual, and people are perfecty happy to cause the bullshit, as long as they are the beneficiary. That's basically your argument.

    Mine is that the bullshit shouldn't be tolerated period, because it causes so many headaches.

  • Re:hey! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wierd_w (1375923) on Wednesday June 06, 2012 @10:19PM (#40239983)

    Quite right.

    Here's how I would try though:

    I would evaluate the value of my company's product or service in the market at large. This is the starting point. How much is that service actually worth, as determined by the market. Don't cook this number because you think you are awesome. Use the domestic figure.

    Now, subtract 10% from that value. Always make your projections conservative, because "shit fucking happens." Better to constantly report a windfall, than to appear to suffer economic adversity.

    Itemize the costs to provide that service. This includes the costs your employees have in order to reach your requirements for hire. (Education costs, etc.) Completely ignore what industry pay rates are at this point. We are determining equity, not the status quo.

    State a corporate growth goal. How much profit do you need to make to reach that goal? Write this number down. This number should be sensible, not some absurd value like 100%. 5 to 10% is "high". Be conservative. Aim to break this goal with voracious abandon if possible, but don't set impossible goals.

    Using the numbers you now have, honestly evaluate how many people you will need to reach the necessary output required to meet your growth target, and of what types and disciplines. Employees of different disciplines have different intrinsic costs for them to be hirable. Adjust their basic equity pay accordingly. You should give each employee around 1000 to 2000 dollars a month free spending money in your projection. Include food and fuel costs, education costs, and the costs of 2.5 children and a spouse. A lawyer needs to be paid more, because they spend more time in the university than an accountant. After the bills are added up, they should be treated the same in terms of their disposable income.

    (The hard part) set your pay scale to the same value system.

    *NOW* compare your equitable rates against industry standard rates.

    Prioritize the actual value in your company each type of employee actually has. How many janitors does it really take to keep the premesis clean? Etc. Where there is a disproportionately high industry standard wage compared to actual employment costs, seek to eliminate positions in the labor pool so that reaching industry pay rate parity does not extensively increase your projected labor budget. This means cutting management positions. Strictly evaluate just how many meetings people really need to attend, how many bosses production staff actually require to work efficiently, and then use this as gospel. Allow the 10% cut on projected value of service make up the slack that can't be ironed out. (But always check your numbers!)

    In cases where your projected equitable pay greatly exceeds industry standard pay, leave it high. Dont shaft your employees.

    Take all this nice information you collected and digested, and turn it into a nice, bright little flier. When people drop an application, give them a copy of it, and discuss its contents, and why you adhere to it like gospel. Let them know that every 10 years, you hold an audit of the payscale, and adjust it honestly and with integrity. If the position they are applying for will get paid way more than industry standard, make sure they understand exactly why you are paying them more. If the position they are applying for is clearly overpaid in terms of standard compensation by this metric, let them know exactly why you are exceptionally picky about who you will hire, and that the limits on management salaries are fixed. Openly share your own salary to drive the point home. No exceptions. If they don't want the job, don't hire them.

    The CEO's and board's pay are given additional constraints, such that their rate of statistical overpayment shall never exceed 100% of the standard takehome value. If this means legal gets paid more, too fucking bad.

    This information would be available publicly, along with the quarterly finance reports. This includes the conclusions about statistical over and underpayments against industry

  • Re:Oh, Thanks! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Jaime2 (824950) on Wednesday June 06, 2012 @10:37PM (#40240105)

    Of course it is. That's hundreds of years of cultural integration of employers demanding to have salary negotiations kept secret. It's always in the worker's interest for these negotiation to be public and always in the employer's interest to have them secret. So, your statement boils down to "It's always been like this". That's not new information. What is new is that a labor board has now stated that it's your right to discuss this information and it's illegal to prevent this discussion.

    This is a step forward in a better direction than labor unions. The problem I've always had with Unions is that you need to sign on with a slightly less abusive group to protect you from a more abusive group, you don't get to go your own way. Requiring open discussions of labor conditions is a step closer to a transparent labor market and more fair wages.

  • Free Markets (Score:4, Interesting)

    by nickmalthus (972450) on Thursday June 07, 2012 @01:10AM (#40240995)
    I am sure all the "job creator" corporate executives who constantly bemoan any and all government regulations claiming they interfere with the "free market" will certainly oppose this kind of transparency. However, a common knowledge of market prices forms the very basis of free markets!!! I personally wish the IRS would publish personal income data for all US citizens. Then we would see real market competition, people striving to find where the money is going and attempting to compete for those positions. If an employer is over or under compensating an employee they should certainly be able to market a rational reason for their action. As the saying goes, "Knowledge is Power" and those in the labor consumer role will do whatever they are legally allowed to do enhance their bargaining power.

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