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CWmike writes "Microsoft will support full upgrades to Windows 8 only from the three-year old Windows 7, according to a report Thursday by ZDNet blogger Mary Jo Foley. Citing unnamed sources, Foley said that Microsoft has informed select partners of the upgrade paths to Windows 8. While Microsoft may be revealing upgrade paths to some partners, it has been much more reticent to keep customers informed than three years ago when it rolled out Windows 7. Among the details the company has not disclosed are the on-sale date and the pricing of the two retail editions. By this time in 2009, Microsoft had revealed both: On June 2 that year, it pegged a launch date for Windows 7, and by June 25 had not only posted prices for the operating system but had also kicked off a pre-sale that discounted upgrades by as much as 58%. The increased secrecy from the company was demonstrated best last week, when it unveiled its first-ever tablet, the Surface, but left many questions unanswered, including the price, sales date, and even the hardware's battery life."
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Full Upgrades To Windows 8 Only From Windows 7?

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  • by pointyhat (2649443) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:35AM (#40504499)
    I don't see the problem with this. Firstly, I've not purchased a Windows upgrade for 13 years (NT->2K). Secondly, Windows 7 is supported until 2020 so it's not like you have to upgrade it. Corporate customers need not worry as their license agreements give them the new OS for no additional cost.
    • I don't see the problem with this. Firstly, I've not purchased a Windows upgrade for 13 years (NT->2K). Secondly, Windows 7 is supported until 2020 so it's not like you have to upgrade it. Corporate customers need not worry as their license agreements give them the new OS for no additional cost.

      Pity you got modded down for making the reasonable decision rather than just blindly arguing because everyone should hate M$. If I were selling software, I'd take this tact too. Not that I'm a Microsoft lover in particular, but I figure if you're going to hate a company you should do it for the right reasons.. which in the case of MS I would describe as them abusing their monopoly to dissuade users and OEMS from using other software.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Given their past history, I'll never be an early adopter of the new Windows version anyway. Especially since they are delving into new territory - something they're not particularly good at IMHO - by the time I get around to it, Windows 7 will more than three years old.

    • by Mabhatter (126906)

      Well Apple's Mountain Lion is $19 for starts. Even if you had to buy Lion at $29 at's still less than the traditional Windows upgrade.

      I think there will be FEW upgrades this round because Microsoft wants Windows 8 tied to the proper hardware. I think they are making the consumer push first to grab some hardware sales, companies aren't going to upgrade for 6-12 months anyway.

      • Well Apple's Mountain Lion is $19 for starts. Even if you had to buy Lion at $29 at's still less than the traditional Windows upgrade.

        Sure, those are nice upgrade prices but how much did the user pay for the hardware? And it's not like they can just throw Lion discs into any old machine and have them run. It must be supported Apple hardware.

        Windows is supported for much longer compared to OSX releases [wikipedia.org] as far as software support and backwards compatibility are concerned. The general rule for Apple support seems to be the current and last release and you're on your own. As a developer it's nice to have users running current versions of th

    • by hairyfeet (841228)

      Not to mention by not having the $50 HP upgrade or the $100 Family Packs MSFT has pretty much made sure that those that took advantage of those and adopted Win 7 early (and there were a LOT of those, if you'll remember they had to crank out extra runs as the original run of discs sold out quickly) simply won't give Win 8 a second thought. I know that even though I've been playing with Win 8 CP at the shop and can't stand it I'd have probably picked up a copy of HP at $50 simply because there is always the p

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:42AM (#40504537)

    After MS shipped Vista, MicroCenter used to advertise desktop systems with Vista preloaded and "XP downgrade rights". Expect similar with Windows 8 and "Win 7 downgrade".

    • by 4phun (822581)

      After MS shipped Vista, MicroCenter used to advertise desktop systems with Vista preloaded and "XP downgrade rights". Expect similar with Windows 8 and "Win 7 downgrade".

      We have a firm quote that the Microsoft TAX on Windows 8 to have Microsoft safely remove the crapware their partners load on top of each copy of Windows 8 will be an additional $99.

      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/microsoft-to-charge-customers-99-to-remove-oem-crapware/20446 [zdnet.com]

  • Even better (Score:4, Informative)

    by kurt555gs (309278) <kurt555gs@@@ovi...com> on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:43AM (#40504545) Homepage

    Free upgrade to Ubuntu from any version of windows.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Who gives a fuck? Ubuntu is a train wreck. If you're going to promote Linux, at least promote a good distro.

      • by rubycodez (864176)

        the flavor of Ubuntu known as Xubuntu is fine. Even the KDE flavor Kubuntu fixed the initial crap of KDE 4.0/4.1 a couple years ago.

        • by drinkypoo (153816)

          Nothing wrong with lubuntu either, which is a standard flavor of Ubuntu these days. Indeed, it's even lighter than xubuntu.

    • by Opportunist (166417) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @11:07AM (#40504719)

      Sorry for offtopic, but I've been trying for ages and cannot figure it out: How do you get a shell in the latest version of Ubuntu? Somehow I can't seem to find it...

      • Re:Even better (Score:5, Informative)

        by rgbrenner (317308) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @11:17AM (#40504781)

        IIRC in the apps menu, type "terminal" into the search bar

      • Re:Even better (Score:5, Informative)

        by swanzilla (1458281) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @11:20AM (#40504813) Homepage

        Sorry for offtopic, but I've been trying for ages and cannot figure it out: How do you get a shell in the latest version of Ubuntu? Somehow I can't seem to find it...

        Ctrl+Alt+t

        • by drinkypoo (153816)

          Sorry for offtopic, but I've been trying for ages and cannot figure it out: How do you get a shell in the latest version of Ubuntu? Somehow I can't seem to find it...

          Ctrl+Alt+t

          Best answer by far. The other answers are mostly wrong. You just hit the windows key (or whatever key you have there) and start typing terminal and click on it when it appears. You don't need to click anything first.

      • by Abreu (173023)

        hit windows key, type "Terminal", hit enter

      • by Nerdfest (867930)

        Click the icon that looks like a terminal in one of the dock bars, tap Windows T E R M, and select Terminal, Alt-F2 and enter gnome-terminal, or press crtl-alt-T.

      • Re:Even better (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Waccoon (1186667) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @09:54PM (#40508305)

        The fact that you have to ask is the problem (even if you were just joking).

        Even where Linux is concerned, what's so hard about having a "cheat sheet" available in an obvious location? Over the last 25 years, manuals gave way to pamphlets, which gave way to online documentation, and now interfaces are so supremely well-designed *cough* that even a list of hotkeys requires you to do a web search on online fan clubs.

    • So I can upgrade from Windows to Ubuntu keeping all my existing apps & settings unmodified? Impressive.

      • by drinkypoo (153816)

        So I can upgrade from Windows to Ubuntu keeping all my existing apps & settings unmodified? Impressive.

        Yes, that is very easy. It is much harder to upgrade from Windows to Ubuntu and still be able to use your apps and settings, although Ubuntu DOES have some profile migration now (as of Precise, if not earlier.)

    • Re:Even better (Score:5, Insightful)

      by westlake (615356) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @12:04PM (#40505165)

      Free upgrade to Ubuntu from any version of windows.

      No free Linux upgrade or port for every significant software package that runs under Windows.

      While damn near everything client-side in FOSS is ported to Windows or begins as a native Windows app.

      The parent post gets a predictable mod-up here.

      But the truth of the thing is that only 1% of desktop users have seen any added value in Linux. I do not expect that to change,

    • by LurkerXXX (667952)

      To avoid upgrading your desktop to a new OS with crappy tablet UI (Windows 8), you recommend upgrading to a new OS with a crappy tablet UI (Ubuntu)???

      Mint Linux, etc, would likely be a more comfortable upgrade for most folks.

    • I think Microsoft is coming close... very close... to a spontaneous shift towards open-source Win32 [reactos.org]. The butchery of Windows 8 is certainly moving things right along.

      When a major corporate donor emerges, Microsoft's final phase has begun.

  • doesn't matter... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by steveb3210 (962811) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:44AM (#40504553)
    It's not like anyone will want to buy that franken-ui anyways...
    • Since when has buying a new Windows version been a matter of "wanting"? Usually you just wanted some piece of program to run sensibly that was designed for $your_windows_version + 1 only.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:44AM (#40504555)

    It seems to me that MS is shooting itself in the foot. If I were in charge of Microsoft, I would be afraid of OS X and iOS. Once Apple starts leveraging its market share in iPhones and iPads to push people towards OS X, Microsoft is going to feel a lot of pain.

    MS is no longer the 800 lb gorilla in the room. The integration of iOS and OS X is going to create an OS that has enough applications to really take off.

    • by game kid (805301) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @11:37AM (#40504927) Homepage

      I agree, except between Windows 8 and the Cisco cloud silliness, Apple will probably follow the trend and push OSX users to iOS instead. More control and all that.

    • by TheLink (130905)
      The upgrade limitation isn't a problem - the ones who haven't upgraded to Windows 7 already, are the ones who are even less likely to want Windows 8.

      As long as Microsoft don't shoot both feet and make it impossible to stick with Windows 7, they will still retain most of their marketshare.

      I don't like Windows 7 that much, but I actually prefer it (and XP ) to OS X. I think 10-20% or so will really love OS X, but the rest will be fine with Windows XP/7.

      If Microsoft sells Windows 8 but allows "downgrade rights
    • by Khyber (864651)

      "Once Apple starts leveraging its market share in iPhones and iPads to push people towards OS X"

      Apple will have to take their own antitrust lawsuit and likely lose just as hard as Microsoft.

  • What is the problem? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rgbrenner (317308) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:48AM (#40504583)

    So you have to have the previous version to upgrade... what is the problem? Doesn't everyone do this?

    Off hand: Adobe, Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian all require the immediate previous version to upgrade.

    Honestly, I didn't even know you could upgrade Windows from a version older than the previous version.

    • by Nerdfest (867930)

      When upgrading someone's machine from Ubuntu 10.10 to 12.04 recently, it came up with an 'upgrade' option, which surprised me a bit. I thought they only supported previous versions and LTS->LTS upgrades, but it appears that at least some other upgrade paths are available.

    • > Off hand: Adobe, Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian all require the immediate previous version to upgrade.

      Nope, using debootstrap on debian lets you install debian from whatever previous version, and whatever other linux distro. Stuck with only one partition? The system is in a folder you can chroot into, so you reboot from another media and move the current install to a backup folder, the chroot to the root, rerun the update-grub or whatever is needed by your bootloader.

  • by timeOday (582209) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:59AM (#40504665)
    Back in the day a computer was $3000 and often a new OS version was actually an improvement over the previous one, so I could see why somebody would do it. But paying $100 (wild guess) to upgrade a $400 computer to an OS that is marginally better, if at all, with the time it would take and ever-present risk of it breaking something, isn't worth it. I wonder how many bother.
    • by couchslug (175151)

      "I wonder how many bother."

      Only those suckered into it buy unethical PC repair shops and similar.

    • by OzPeter (195038)

      I wonder how many bother.

      I know you are talking about Windows, but on the Apple side of things I have taken my $1300 iMac from Leopard to Snow Leopard to Lion and expect to take it to Mountain Lion. I would have taken my Dell laptop from XP to Windows 7 (or even a hackintosh) but it only has a core duo processor and not a core 2 duo.
       
      I'm not going to get rid of a perfectly good computer when it still does everything that I want it to do.

      • by Khyber (864651)

        Don't expect to take your hardware much further even if it still does work. Apple will phase out the support the version after (judging by the timeline of your Apple OSes mentioned) and you'll be fucked despite having quite a capable system.

        In the meantime, I still have a hyperthreading P4 that handles *ALMOST* everything just fine. I paid $800 for my PC versus your $1300 iMac. I'll still be able to run a few more upgrades of my OS (plus the one I've built myself) and you're stuck like Chuck.

  • Is anyone else tired of the never-ending upgrade/version parade? Maybe Im just getting old but dam.. every year upgrade Office, upgrade Windows, upgrade your phone, upgrade your laptop, get a new tablet, get a new tv, get a new car, f*** me running its like Im your personal money spigot and all you need to do is have some 1/2 baked mass produced crap and Im supposed to get in line to shower you with money. Screw you. Im tired of chasing the mess. Now get off my lawn.
    • by Teresita (982888)
      Newer is not better. I run Win98SE on this $35 used Compaq (running on top of DOS 7.10) and I run XP on another one for my Cakewalk music apps. I boot Puppy Linux 4.3.1 from DOS with LINLD. Chat with Mirc 5.9. Listen to tunes with Winamp 2.80. Do my budget and diet on Excel 4.0. Write stuff on Wordstar 5.5 (DOS) and make it printer-ready in Wordperfect 8 and/or Open Office. I'm happy as a clam, but I ain't making Microsoft any richer.
      • by vlueboy (1799360) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @08:57PM (#40508089)

        Wow, a nuanced old-version supporter... cool. I wonder how many of us are left here on slashdot. I am not a true supporter anymore: at some point it my systems just stopped sticking around long enough.

        Leaving them behind for a relative when moving out, equipment death and robbery have forced me to PURCHASE newer hardware. I'm surprised to see your system survive this long. A truth younger slashdotters need to know is that you cannot easily add new programs to old machines.

        Kudos if you have seen your share of errors of missing dotnet, DirectX, Flash 7+, VisualC++ DLLs, Visual basic VBRUNDLL and bad HTML support for hotmail/yahoo. Cheers if you've known the joy of working around some or found alternative browsers and programs. It's sad that the only people using older software are either poor old people or their grandchildren. Middle aged people I know just fork over money for overkill hardware and pirate their way through Windows version upgrades.

        That makes it harder on us given they perpetuate adoption of things (remember the first year of docx files?) and proliferation of overkill RAM amounts / bad coders who assume everyone buys a new machine every 3 years.

    • by couchslug (175151)

      "Is anyone else tired of the never-ending upgrade/version parade?"

      No.

      I benefit greatly from early adopters buying "new stuff". I benefit even more from not being one of them.

      "Im tired of chasing the mess."

      I never chased it, and so am not tired.

      "Now get off my lawn."

      I paid off my lawns because I never chased the mess. Everyone ELSE, however, should race after it with gusto.

  • To get people to buy a new PC with 7 while they still can get it.

  • by cryfreedomlove (929828) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @11:20AM (#40504803)
    Hey folks, most of the world does not care about 3 year old operating systems. Innovation marches on at an exponential pace. It is not fair to demand that Microsoft jump off that fast track to support the vanishing legacy. If they do, then you can bet their competitors will not.

    Should I also upgrade your wall mounted rotary phone to an IPhone 5? Should I upgrade your Model-T to a Tesla Roadster? Geez!
    • by Osgeld (1900440)

      Thats right, they dont care about how old the OS is, they want windows and they want what they know how to work. they dont care if its xp vista 7, but they will care that 8 doesnt work like they have known since 1995, and looks like a toy phone.

  • by joeflies (529536) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @11:20AM (#40504807)
    " By this time in 2009, Microsoft had revealed both: On June 2 that year, it pegged a launch date for Windows 7, and by June 25 had not only posted prices for the operating system but had also kicked off a pre-sale that discounted upgrades by as much as 58%."

    Well, that's interesting only if MIcrosoft promised to ship and reneged. If it hasn't been pegged to ship, then I don't see how you can fault them for secrecy for not making announcements. I don't see why the article sites the "by this time in 2009" as a reason either unless there was some requirement to announce exactly three years after the last one.

  • ...machine or doing a clean install?

    Why is this news?

  • If you upgrade now, Steve Ballmer will throw in a chair with your purchase!
  • by michaelmalak (91262) <michael@michaelmalak.com> on Saturday June 30, 2012 @11:48AM (#40505017) Homepage

    The article is about how much data gets preserved during the upgrade process not about pricing. Since Windows machines should be re-imaged anyway periodically, that is pretty irrelevant. As for the pricing, the relevant issue, yes, XP evidently qualifies for upgrade pricing:

    XP-to-Windows 8 upgrades preserve the least amount in a move: User accounts and files only.

  • 7 was the same (Score:3, Interesting)

    by EricX2 (670266) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @12:03PM (#40505159) Homepage Journal

    You could only do a 'true upgrade' from Windows Vista to Windows 7, so how is this any different? I don't think you could upgrade from Windows ME to XP either.
    Vista is how old now? It came out in 2006. How many years old will OS X 10.8 allow upgrades from? Snow leopard from 2009.

    They aren't saying XP or Vista don't meet the requirements for an upgrade edition, just that you can't do an in place upgrade. Of course you can't, the file structure isn't the same.

    This is even better, it means once again you will be able to use the upgrade pricing for clean installs. Good deal!

  • by roc97007 (608802) on Saturday June 30, 2012 @12:29PM (#40505283) Journal

    No plans to upgrade to Windows 8 anyway. But this does remind me that I need to buy a few copies of 7 while it's still available. And then, wait until something good comes out.

  • A 4+ year old Lenovo Thinkpad T61 running XP SP3 and I had to raise an enormous fuss to get it approved since it was on the schedule to be replaced sometime next year.

    Corporations aren't upgrading now. They're going to crush every dollar out of their organizations until things start to fall apart and the wheels come off.

    Anyway you assume Microsoft will have a cheaper upgrade path than simply starting over. That remains to be seen.

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