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Google Announces Plans, Pricing For Kansas City Fiber Network 263

Kiyyik writes "Google just announced the details behind their inaugural fiber optic service in Kansas City. They're doing a set of packages including $120/month for tv plus internet, $75/month for internet alone, and regular 'conventional' internet for a one time $300 fee. Rollouts are starting in the central areas and will work their way out on a demand basis: at least ten percent of a neighborhood must sign up for the service before Google will come in and start hanging fiber." Update: 07/26 22:04 GMT by T : Nick Kolakowski points out at GeekNet's Slash Cloud that this Google will probably hinge future developments on how well the Kansas City push works.
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Google Announces Plans, Pricing For Kansas City Fiber Network

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  • Re:Unusual Pricing (Score:4, Insightful)

    by twohands ( 2443766 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @02:48PM (#40781461)
    well, Verizon charges, what, $200 per month for 300 Mb/s FiOS? I'd say what Google's offering is a pretty good deal.
  • Re:Unusual Pricing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by P-niiice ( 1703362 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @02:48PM (#40781465)
    Those prices could be competitive, depending on what's being offered. $120 for TV+internet - if it's comparable to Direct TV I'd hop all over it.

    What I really want is a good competitor to bring some pain to the existing providers who overcharge, underserve, and have no incentive to lower prices. And that includes content makers like Viacom. I hope Google succeeds.
  • Re:Unusual Pricing (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26, 2012 @02:50PM (#40781495)

    $75 --> 7.5 cents/Megabit

    Comcast: $50 for 30Mb I believe? --> $1.77/Megabit

  • Re:Unusual Pricing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JesseMcDonald ( 536341 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @02:51PM (#40781517) Homepage

    Where exactly have you seen prices for 1Gbps Internet access that make $70/month seem high?

  • Re:For some reason (Score:4, Insightful)

    by subreality ( 157447 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @03:05PM (#40781729)

    it's unlikely to make much difference unless you're planning to host a reasonably heavy server

    For bandwidth, yes, but there's a big advantage in having such a surplus: you don't have to do aggressive QOS to prevent latency spikes and loss. Wanna game while someone else watches Netflix? No problem.

  • by sunking2 ( 521698 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @03:11PM (#40781831)
    $75/mo just for internet seems steep for most people. And very few who really need 1G can't afford it. It's not like the relatively piddle amount of money it's saving them is going to induce a massive wave of job creation.

    Now if it were 100Mb for $25 that would be more news worthy in my opinion.
  • Re:For some reason (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Mitsoid ( 837831 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @03:13PM (#40781869)

    Would your grandmother/parents/other non-techie friends pay $9/month for internet if it was a 3 year agreement paid up front from a fairly reputable (as in not likely going under) company?

    My grandfather paid $15/month for dial up, I'll wager Google is giving these $300 customers more then 56Kbps even if they throttle them..
    I pay over $50 a month for FiOS and I don't even get over 30 Mbps.. If i wanted gigabit speeds I could not even request it from FiOS... and their plans hit $300/month without hitting *half* this service... I'd say the pricing is great

    I think right now servers & computers will be the bottleneck... Unless you're writing your download to a SSD or RAID array... you barely can handle a 1 Gbps write (quick math, 1Gbps = ~125MB/s)

  • by Antipater ( 2053064 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @03:29PM (#40782185)
    What it's doing for the world is introducing a competitor to the ISP oligopoly that actually has the muscle to not be stomped on. When people start seeing how cheap it actually is to provide broadband (after all, the $300 is to cover the infrastructure installation - after that it's FREE), it might light a fire under AT&T, Comcast, etc. to actually start playing by the rules of capitalism again.
  • Re:For some reason (Score:5, Insightful)

    by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Thursday July 26, 2012 @03:43PM (#40782495) Journal

    QoS, for example, ensures my SSH packets are delivered on a timely basis and that it doesn't wund up waiting behind the packets of my neighbor's torrents. In theory, my neighbor still gets his bandwidth, but his packet latency will be slightly higher; which is still perfectly acceptable for that type of traffic.

    This is a valid correction, but the GP's point holds regardless. Given sufficient bandwidth, QoS is as unnecessary as traffic shaping. Your SSH packet -- or, more importantly, my VOIP packet -- may end up waiting behind the neighbor's torrent packet, but since his 1500-byte torrent packet only blocks ours for 15 microseconds, who cares?

  • by RobbieCrash ( 834439 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @04:06PM (#40782887)

    Isn't this pretty much a universal condition for residential internet?

  • Re:For some reason (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cfulton ( 543949 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @04:18PM (#40783067)
    Yeah and...
    "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981
    No matter how much space or bandwidth we have we will find a way to need more.
  • by BadgerRush ( 2648589 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @04:23PM (#40783151)

    The hole point of Google's experiment is to show people that 20MB, 30MB or even 50MB is not enough, we all grew complacent with our current slow internet speeds and, given the option, would chose slow internet, Google is trying to break that. What we have now is a race to the bottom where entrepreneurs don't create services which require fast internet because no-one has a fast internet, and no-one buys fast internet because there are no sites/services to use it. Google's idea is to foster a new generation of web services where bandwidth is simply not an issue.

    What they are doing is the internet equivalent of the Apolo program, and you are saying "I don't want a rocket, why don't they build cars?". I don't even live in the USA and I don't have ANY hope that Google will open an ISP here, but I'm happy and hope they succeed because their work will show the whole world that we can/should have more.

  • by RobbieCrash ( 834439 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @04:38PM (#40783355)

    It makes no sense for a company to offer this to residential clients. They can charge a premium for a business plan which offers official support for servers, and generally grants an unfiltered connection with a static IP. Why cut yourself out of that mark up?

    Sucks, but makes sense.

  • Re:For some reason (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DragonWriter ( 970822 ) on Thursday July 26, 2012 @05:12PM (#40783741)

    I thought the whole point of the competition (that had cities hysterically renaming themselves "Google") was that residents were going to get broadband service for free, or at least at a sharp discount compared to what the robber barron Baby Bells and CATV operators were offering.

    5Mbs/1Mbs asymmetric access at a one-time $300 connection fee (lump-sum or paid as $25/mo over 12 months) and $0/month service is a sharp discount compared to similar low-end broadband offerings, but the actual pitch wasn't to get broadband "free" or "cheaper" than existing broadband, it was gigabit/s broadband at prices that were competitive with the prices at which existing (much slower) broadband services were being offered. Which Google's pricing for its symmetric gigabit/s tiers (being fairly comparable in price to what other providers are offering for plans offering "up to" speeds in the tens of megabits/s) certainly would seem to be.

  • by Atryn ( 528846 ) on Friday July 27, 2012 @08:44AM (#40789103) Homepage

    The self-driving car is laughable. Google is not going to become an auto manufacturer. Google is not going to become a technology provider to an existing auto manufacturer. The existing manufacturers suffer from Not Invented Here Syndrome worse than almost any other industry. They're the very definition of hidebound, and it's no surprise, as they've been exposed to the kind attentions of the aforementioned institutional investors for generations now. I give Google's project another year before they pull the plug, and that's optimistic.

    Google's objective isn't to become an auto-manufacturer or to become a supplier to them. Their objective isn't to directly make money on this at all.

    Their objective is to free up the billions of eyeball-hours spent on driving so they can be used for something else....

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